XzibitCan you source the debunking? How were they debunked by the way?

Maybe because basically every outlet from the rumour millsto noted sites evinced total scepticism over a single source having access to both Nvidia and AMD unreleased products, or maybe because there are two AMD cards months away from release- one at least with a markedly different design if the HBM rumours are true - being benchmarked with obviously functioning drivers? No mean feat considering AMD (and Nvidia for that matter) have had obvious driver issues on/before launch day.

XzibitWas it a consensus from people who didn't like the outcome?

More of a consensus from people with common sense and an understanding of the evolution of a product.

EDIT: I forgot the obvious red flag.The guy leaking this infoclaimed that the AMD GPUs are manufactured on GloFo's 20nm process....which means that AMD is presently using 20nm and will transition to 28nm (?!) in the future. BTW the ONLY 20nm process GloFo has is a low power process- which doesn't gel with a large monolithic GPU of 200-300W

ZhuII'm laughing at all the anxiousness of the pro-NV crowd who don't want a debate on price.

Let's be honest, if this is indeed the Titan II then we'll see the 1000 dollar pricetag return. The Titan I was an epic failure. Those who got a 780 basically got a card which was only 10% away from the Titan but at half the price. And let's not even talk about Titan Z vs R295X2.

Nvidia needs to destroy the Titan line. But they won't, because lots of NV fanboys will do almost anything for Nvidia even as the company pisses in their mouths, the fanboys only beg for more.

And btw, if AMD goes down in the GPU space - which is absolutely a possibility - consider the X80 flagships gone and replaced with the 1000 dollar GPU cards instead. But I'm sure you people will defend that, too :D

Shhhh, NV fans will cry if you say shit like that. Were not allowed to point out facts like that even if this thread is based on a rumor in the first place.

AsRockShhhh, NV fans will cry if you say shit like that. Were not allowed to point out facts like that even if this thread is based on a rumor in the first place.

Titan existed and it sold just fine, even nVidia were surprised how well it sold:

www.pcgamer.com/nvidias-surprised-the-titan-outsold-the-year-old-gtx-690-in-just-3-months-were-not/

The fake graphs and the clutching at straws in this thread though is funny, now that is a fact.

the54thvoidIt IS hugely unlikely to get both vendors top cards. Besides, the scores are all over the shop.

The GM200 scores are the AMD ones seam stable with one at 800 and the other at 1000.

People forget how early out we got Maxwell 750 benchmarks. 5 months early and Chiphell coming in 3 months earlier but they provided OC 750 Ti samples results and since those numbers looked favorable people gravitated towards them and turned out to be over estimated. If these cards are being released in a similar time-frame to one another its plausible for them and the Sisoft source to have both.

HumanSmokeMaybe because basically every outlet from the rumour millsto noted sites evinced total scepticism over a single source having access to both Nvidia and AMD unreleased products, or maybe because there are two AMD cards months away from release- one at least with a markedly different design if the HBM rumours are true - being benchmarked with obviously functioning drivers? No mean feat considering AMD (and Nvidia for that matter) have had obvious driver issues on/before launch day.

Blasphemy

Time will tell if they are true & accurate or not but it seams to be more of a hate for Chiphell having access to the cards.

SteevoIts like AMD is getting tentacle raped in the bad way, all holes all the time.

Thats funny :D

XzibitTime will tell if they are true & accurate or not but it seams to be more of a

Well you would think that, I'd say send your CV off but I don't think they are hiring at the moment. :P

LOL at those who say Titan 1 was a failure. That card sold like hot cakes before the 780 came about, and even after that people who had use for the compute performance bought them up.

MxPhenom 216LOL at those who say Titan 1 was a failure. That card sold like hot cakes before the 780 came about, and even after that people who had use for the compute performance bought them up.

indeed, says quite a bit about the NV crowd does not not? ;)

ZoneDymoindeed, says quite a bit about the NV crowd does not not? ;)

They are successful well paid individuals with great taste?

ZoneDymoindeed, says quite a bit about the NV crowd does not not? ;)

Are you trying to say they are stupid for buying such a card? I think that's more opinion than fact.@Fluffmeister hit it on the head I think.

FluffmeisterWell you would think that, I'd say send your CV off but I don't think they are hiring at the moment. :p

Even if they were, I'd suggest investing the cash rather than buying the postage. In a few years it should appreciate enough to buy a majority shareholding. :p

This will be an awesome year for PC gamers, can't wait to see what comes next from the red team, either way I'm excited at the sheer amount of power these new cards will bring to us gamers, was tired of 10-15% performance increments at full price.

We are in for a dozy guys, we might be looking at the business/research version of big Maxwell here, but I'm sure a more costumer friendly card a là 780/780ti will be just around the corner.

As someone who's fully embraced 4K gaming, all I can say is: bring it on AMD and Nvidia! :rockout:

CrAsHnBuRnXpBecause this post doesnt scream AMD zealot at all.

only to the green fanbois.

some of us see it as fact.

marsey99only to the green fanbois.

some of us see it as fact.

Its furthest from the fact.

btarunrThe process node and die-size are values we manually program GPU-Z to show, since they're not things the drivers report (to GPU-Z).

So Nvidia didn't break science/physics? :(


I find Zhul's only post so far quite weird. By its own logic Intel's i7 for the LGA 1150 does not exist because it has been replaced by LGA 2011's i7s. Because AMD is absent on the high end in processors, just like with his assumption "if AMD goes under...X80 series will be all $1000 parts".

FluffmeisterThey are successful well paid individuals with great taste?

Who have no value or sense, but shit cannot spend ya money when ya dead so.

As they say more money than sense.

XzibitTime will tell if they are true & accurate or not but it seams seems to be more of a

Good catch, and quite possibly true...and the hate comes with a side order of bodily excretion fixation :eek:

ZhuIlots of NV fanboys will do almost anything for Nvidia even as the company pisses in their mouths, the fanboys only beg for more.

AsRockWho have no value or sense, but shit cannot spend ya money when ya dead so.As they say more money than sense.

HumanSmokeGood catch, and quite possibly true...and the hate comes with a side order of bodily excretion fixation :eek:

I meant the hate for Chiphell when its convenient. You pointed to a quote from VideoCardz for your source of proof to debunking it. There was no debunking of anything just a sentence dismissing it as fake but NO PROOF. Given VideoCardz will use Chiphell as a source when ever possible and not give them or anyone credit unless they water mark there screens. It reeks of hilarity.

As for the Nvidia vs AMD hate you guys can carry on. I enjoy the childish, hypocrisy & self righteousness.

XzibitI meant the hate for Chiphell when its convenient.

Then you don't know what you're talking about.
I don't tar Chiphell with distain for a single poster anymore than I would show distain for TPU because a single forum member chooses to pick an argument using nonsensical data - namely that the first line in the "leakers" post categorically said that the AMD GPUs were manufactured on GloFo's 20nm Low Power Mobility process - a process they would be totally unsuited for (Globalfoundries has stated as much in both interviewand PPS presentation if the naming wasn't enough of a hint) , and the totally farcical situation where AMD are supposedly building GPUs on 20nm, but are moving to 28nm in 2015. When was the last time a vendor moved production to a larger process than they are already supposedly using?

XzibitYou pointed to a quote from VideoCardz for your source of proof to debunking it.

No, what I said was that a range of sites - from rumour mills to respected mainstream sites (along with process tech based sites) dismissed the benchmarks as bogus, and the easiest evidence of that proof came from the "leaker" himself stating that the large die GPUs were built on GloFo's 20LPM process.
Videocardz was by no means the only site that were sceptical.Hilbert at G3D called out the charts as fake on the day they showed up:

The tests originate from ChipHell, this site is well known for both legit and fake leaks. Let me reiterate that it is EXTREMELY unlikely for these guys to have all these unreleased engineering sample boards let alone drivers. I for one do not believe these results are for real.

Feel free to believe (and I see two others upvoted your post so they obviously believe as well) that AMD are building GPUs on an 20nm process only to toss it aside to use 28nm, and the only person on the planet leaking gaming benchmarks for unreleased models conveniently just so happens to have all four of the top cards - along with working drivers....just don't try to convince me they are legit when common sense says otherwise - common sense will trump you every time.

In all fairness, the bickering is inevitable. At least Xzibit keeps it civil. Some brand enthusiasts just can't help being infantile. We have to accept the fact that NV can charge more because the product is viewed by almost all reviewers as superior.
AMD inevitably compete on lower pricing. This creates two troll states of consciousness, NV trolls can see AMD as bargain bin trash (and they are not). NV are seen by AMD trolls as exploiting bastards. Which as an NV buyer, I'd say they are.
Point is though, I buy NV because I like buying the best solution for me. At least my 2nd Classified card was a bargain.
Maybe Fiji will be my next choice. People need open, logical minds to make informed tech decisions.

But for those wishing to be brave, why not state here and now who will have the best card next, AMD's Fiji or Big Maxwell?
I'd suggest Maxwell but at leat if I'm wrong, I'll buy the better option for me. Unless AMD's chip is ruined by a poorly made card.

the54thvoidBut for those wishing to be brave, why not state here and now who will have the best card next, AMD's Fiji or Big Maxwell?

Without some concrete info on AMD's chip it's a bit of crapshoot. If the Fiji XT's core count turns out to be the rumoured 4096, then I'd think that it would be the chip to beat. As with the 295X2 it looks like AMD are going for broke on the power budget if the Asetek contract for AIO's for the reference cards are any indication.Xzibit's claimed legit "leaker" has AMD's second tier GPU using around the same power as GM 200 ( ~ 215-220W), but curiously, the power consumption figures for the top part (which the leaker -also curiously, says is Bermuda contrary to virtually every other source) aren't included. If the second tier GPU is a 200+W part then 300W or more isn't out of the question for the 390/390X especially if AMD have a closed loop watercooler lined up for reference cooling duties. 4096 cores and a 300W power budget (most of which will be leveraged for the GPU if the rumours of HBM are correct) is going to be a hard act to top in outright performance.
So, I'd pick Fiji XT as the top GPU at the expense of power consumption and framebuffer if HBM is involved since 4GB is the maximum permissable with first-gen HBM.

AsRockWho have no value or sense, but shit cannot spend ya money when ya dead so.

As they say more money than sense.

Cool story bro.

The need for people to segregate themselves to one side or the other is hilarious. For me, it's always been price/performance. Here's hoping this is another windmill slam like the 970. Doubt it though.

MxPhenom 216Its furthest from the fact.

so you are going to even try to argue that the titan was worth every penny of the grand they was asking?

i bet you have an iphone too as apple only make quality products as well :rofl:

marsey99so you are going to even try to argue that the titan was worth every penny of the grand they was asking?
i bet you have an iphone too as apple only make quality products as well :rofl:

Great! Now you're setting yourself up as the arbiter of what constitutes value for all of us. Please don't stop at graphics cards and phones, tell us what cars, houses, toothpaste, and cereal we should be buying - I've been yearning for some random to decide what I should buy based on absolutely no knowledge of my situation.

:SMH: