Friday, May 29th 2015

AMD "Fiji XT" SKU Name Revealed, ATI Rage Legacy Reborn?

Since March, we've been hearing whispers that AMD could give the topmost tier SKU based on its swanky new HBM-equipped "Fiji" silicon a fancy name, just as NVIDIA names its top-dog the GTX TITAN. That name could be the AMD Radeon FURY. A similar name to the brand that launched the erstwhile ATI, with its Rage series, Radeon FURY will be AMD's (and probably the industry's) fastest GPU, and will compete with NVIDIA's GeForce GTX TITAN X.

The card itself is quite diminutive, but that's because of two reasons - with memory being moved to the GPU package, a large amount of PCB real-estate is saved, and so the card can make do with a smaller PCB; and because the rear-end of the card is where the fittings for its AIO liquid-cooling solution are located. These tubes lead to a 120 x 120 mm radiator, with a single 120 mm PWM fan. Given that such a contraption could cool the dual-GPU R9 295X2, it should be effective with the Radeon FURY, just as well. The card will draw power from a pair of 8-pin PCIe power connectors. Display outputs will include three DP 1.2a and one HDMI 2.0. The brand naming indicates that AMD wants to change the terms on which its top-end product competes with NVIDIA's. Low noise and high-performance will be the focus, not power draw. Nobody buys an Aventador for its MPG.
Source: ChipHell
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101 Comments on AMD "Fiji XT" SKU Name Revealed, ATI Rage Legacy Reborn?

#76
GreiverBlade
XzibitI found that rather amusing. The same people that complain on all AMD threads about their marketing and how you shouldn't believe them fall for a picture one of the ChipHell member posted.

What will probably be more amusing is the excuses or deflection they come up with. :laugh:
well from that point of view ... : :roll:

:toast:
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#77
the54thvoid
Intoxicated Moderator
XzibitI found that rather amusing. The same people that complain on all AMD threads about their marketing and how you shouldn't believe them fall for a picture one of the ChipHell member posted.

What will probably be more amusing is the excuses or deflection they come up with. :laugh:
The same Chiphell that releases benchmarks everyone salivates over? Can't pick'n'choose old Chippies leaks and spurious info now (or was that your point? In which case, correct you are.)
In the end, only the real trolls will defend either brand in light of whatever factual properties both manufacturers end up with.
Looking forward to the end of June.
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#78
GreiverBlade
the54thvoidLooking forward to the end of June.
so do i.
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#79
Xzibit
the54thvoidThe same Chiphell that releases benchmarks everyone salivates over? Can't pick'n'choose old Chippies leaks and spurious info now (or was that your point? In which case, correct you are.)
In the end, only the real trolls will defend either brand in light of whatever factual properties both manufacturers end up with.
Looking forward to the end of June.
Something like that but hey they couldn't even fool VideoCardz.com
VideoCardzBrad Pitt approves, and so does the AMD fan base… here are some examples..
Something got to be a little off when VC has a better filter :toast:
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#80
HumanSmoke
the54thvoidThe same Chiphell that releases benchmarks everyone salivates over? Can't pick'n'choose old Chippies leaks and spurious info now (or was that your point? In which case, correct you are.)
Not quite everyone!
Chiphell's record is dubious at best, and always has been. Their past record is predicated upon some actual leaks (almost always with pictures as " proof"), and guerrilla marketing which provides none.
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#81
the54thvoid
Intoxicated Moderator
XzibitSomething like that but hey they couldn't even fool VideoCardz.com



Something got to be a little off when VC has a better filter :toast:
That other one is stolen from a new 30 min project, "Kung Fury".
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#82
HumanSmoke
XzibitOh, Jesus the grumpy old man is back. His eye-sight is failing because if he bothered to scroll-up one post. The first things I said.If one puts any real value into the Nvidia/AMD leaks
Defensive much?
I was obviously referring to the fact that I don't have any faith in Chiphell leaks.
What the hell do I care about whether you do ?
Hint:
Somewhere south of nothing.

For someone supposedly disbelieving of them you sure posted a lot defending their possible veracity across numerous threads. :rolleyes:
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#83
Xzibit
the54thvoidThat other one is stolen from a new 30 min project, "Kung Fury".
Yup,

Movie short has been posted on youtube.
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#84
GreiverBlade
XzibitYup,

Movie short has been posted on youtube.
and on steam ... and in TPU with the awesome piece of the 80's from DH ... and in my previous post in the thread ...

positive point: that film is awesome, absurd and 500% kitsch, WATCH IT! if you didn't already! ;)
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#85
ShurikN
XzibitYup,

Movie short has been posted on youtube.
And on Steam :)
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#86
Mr B
nice boobs....
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#87
GhostRyder
GreiverBladeyeah only the price of the hardware for the customer doubled ... not the manufacturing cost...
in the end who is a greedy bastard?(not directed to you but more a general picture) the customer who want the most expensive piece of hardware at half the price, or the manufacturer who need to sell the hardware at a price dictated by supply and demand and general manufacturing cost?
i am of the 1st kind ... i paid 1/3 of a 290 initial launch price for a 290 ... but 2nd hand and 3 week of use ... well ... greedy or not who care as long as you have the mean to get it cheaper, yep indeed human are greedy in general :)


plus if that card will be 850$ it's still a whooping 15% less than a Titanics .... woops sorry Titan X and if it manage to beat it a cost more than 850$ then ... it's not a problem xD as long as the price is under a Titanics ... (rargh Titan X sorry i got a ICEBERG... aherm i mean a cold ... i can't think straight) we are ok :roll:

sidenote ... could we drop the analogy to any mythological story? it means nothing that AMD chose to re take the name of 3 sister born of the castration of the father of the Titans (well ... it mean they intend to castrate nvidia?... :rolleyes: ) since that branding from ATI originate from way before the Titan got on the way... (well they did nut-kick nvidia more than one time ... )
XzibitI found that rather amusing. The same people that complain on all AMD threads about their marketing and how you shouldn't believe them fall for a picture one of the ChipHell member posted.

What will probably be more amusing is the excuses or deflection they come up with. :laugh:
I was just saying it based on the name sounded like greek mythology since we already have the name Titan it only made sense to go one step further. Would have made sense in some ways depending on what perspective you look at it from :P

But if I am right you two owe me drinks :toast:

Either way though it got people talking, I would like some actual proof though...
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#88
arbiter
GreiverBladeplus if that card will be 850$ it's still a whooping 15% less than a Titanics .... woops sorry Titan X and if it manage to beat it a cost more than 850$ then ... it's not a problem xD as long as the price is under a Titanics ... (rargh Titan X sorry i got a ICEBERG... aherm i mean a cold ... i can't think straight) we are ok
reason its cheaper, has a LOT less vram then titan. So that 15% less well would like to see how that turns out when get in 4k and crank settings up. Plus early fury will be 850, if supplies are short like AMD said they would be. That 150$ will disappear very fast when prices sky rocket up like 290's did.

Funny when 980/970 was released with 4gb (keep the 970 bs outta this for now) people claimed 4gb ram isn't enough and it should be 8gb. Now AMD doing 4gb on their card and its fine?????? Don't know when 8gb hbm cards will show up.

Just cause something is cheaper doesn't mean better value.
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#89
Initialised
Stop with the teasers, release the damn card and take my money!
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#91
GreiverBlade
arbiterreason its cheaper, has a LOT less vram then titan. So that 15% less well would like to see how that turns out when get in 4k and crank settings up. Plus early fury will be 850, if supplies are short like AMD said they would be. That 150$ will disappear very fast when prices sky rocket up like 290's did.

Funny when 980/970 was released with 4gb (keep the 970 bs outta this for now) people claimed 4gb ram isn't enough and it should be 8gb. Now AMD doing 4gb on their card and its fine?????? Don't know when 8gb hbm cards will show up.

Just cause something is cheaper doesn't mean better value.
mmmhhh .... 4gb, i always read the Fiji line would be 8gb ... where did you read that?

also cheaper mean better value ... if the performance are on par or above ... but for now we have to see that ... tho i am pretty confident, after all a 290 at 190 (or even at retai

l price) is a better value than a 970 at 360 ... :roll:

for me they can skyrocket the price all they want ... don't really care, i only hunt 2nd hand sweet deals (never got a problem with it, "knock on wood" )
GhostRyderBut if I am right you two owe me drinks :toast:
no me i will not owe you one ... because you are already right ... and i just said : stop talking about obvious reference about greek mythology ... (almost)everybody know the reference battle nv and AMD are doing.
if you re read me i wrote "it mean nothing" and indeed it mean nothing ... ahahah

here take a drink since you are right, but sorry only a virtual one, because Swiss-Texas it's a bit ... too much for me at the moment ;) :toast:
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#92
GhostRyder
arbiterreason its cheaper, has a LOT less vram then titan. So that 15% less well would like to see how that turns out when get in 4k and crank settings up. Plus early fury will be 850, if supplies are short like AMD said they would be. That 150$ will disappear very fast when prices sky rocket up like 290's did.

Funny when 980/970 was released with 4gb (keep the 970 bs outta this for now) people claimed 4gb ram isn't enough and it should be 8gb. Now AMD doing 4gb on their card and its fine?????? Don't know when 8gb hbm cards will show up.

Just cause something is cheaper doesn't mean better value.
Ram chips are cheap...6gb more VRAM does not equate much in cost to the card in the difference of GTX Titan versus GTX 980ti. So the same argument does not apply though HBM does cost more than GDDR5. Price difference can be lower from less expensive materials, but not in all cases...To top if off the $850 was a rumored price and is not confirmed(To top it off your mixing up different rumors and picking the worst elements). Anything is possible especially since the 980ti is $650.
GreiverBladeno me i will not owe you one ... because you are already right ... and i just said : stop talking about obvious reference about greek mythology ... (almost)everybody know the reference battle nv and AMD are doing.
if you re read me i wrote "it mean nothing" and indeed it mean nothing ... ahahah
here take a drink since you are right, but sorry only a virtual one, because Swiss-Texas it's a bit ... too much for me at the moment ;) :toast:
Wonder what virtual shots are like :p
XzibitPCGameshardware.de

This time its not fairies but a kitty.

Oh man if they do release with 8gb HBM, won't that be something special. Would explain all the waiting and keeping things under wraps if true!
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#93
Caring1
GhostRyderOh man if they do release with 8gb HBM, won't that be something special. Would explain all the waiting and keeping things under wraps if true!
If that 640.0 Gb is the bandwidth, it will be amazing.
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#94
64K
@GreiverBlade There is supposed to be a 4 GB HBM Fiji and an 8 GB HBM Fiji. The 8 GB is rumored to be $850 but I'm skeptical that it will be that much unless it outperforms the GTX 980 Ti.

@Caring1 yes the memory bandwidth is supposed to be 640 GB/s.

We should see a paper launch at E3 in two weeks and reviews about a week later but the review could come earlier. I'm not sure when you will be able to buy one but it's not like I can buy a 980 Ti right now anywhere that I know of either.
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#95
arbiter
64K@GreiverBlade There is supposed to be a 4 GB HBM Fiji and an 8 GB HBM Fiji. The 8 GB is rumored to be $850 but I'm skeptical that it will be that much unless it outperforms the GTX 980 Ti.
No the rumored 4gb is gonna be 850$. ATM doing 8gb for a single gpu of HBM isn't really possible
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#96
Xzibit
GhostRyderOh man if they do release with 8gb HBM, won't that be something special. Would explain all the waiting and keeping things under wraps if true!




AMD and SKHynix have been consistent in there presentations about dual-link interposing for HBM1
arbiterNo the rumored 4gb is gonna be 850$. ATM doing 8gb for a single gpu of HBM isn't really possible
How come ?
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#97
HumanSmoke
arbiterNo the rumored 4gb is gonna be 850$. ATM doing 8gb for a single gpu of HBM isn't really possible
That is my understanding also , so not at the present time by what appears to be SK Hynix's timetable. Hynix seems a little out of cadence with AMD's product cycle. I think 8GB will arrive in 2-3 months.
Hardwareluxx also confirmed the 4GB figure(as if AMD's Joe Macri's own admission a couple of weeks ago wasn't proof enough) :
Computex today was good to us, as Hardwareluxx was able to have a look at the first "Fiji" graphics card from AMD. A partner of AMD allowed us to take a look at the graphics card, including the cooler, which we were able to take off. As if that wasn't enough, some technical specifications were leaked to use...[snip]...Again, the installed memory was confirmed to have a capacity of 4 GB. Clock speeds of GPU and memory were sadly not betrayed. The cards also can't run in their current form, as no BIOS is present. It can therefore only be switched on, but no image will appear on a screen.
The no BIOS thing sounds troubling. If the GTX 980 Ti performance was unexpected I could see AMD and AIBs reworking the Fury's clocks to beat the card, but the 980 Ti did no more than match the Titan X which has been out for nearly three months, so the performance bar to beat has been known for some time.
I suspect the whole Fury 8GB thing is marketing driven at the moment, and that could come back to bite them in the ass. Who is going to buy a 4GB card in late-June, if AMD are announcing that an 8GB version is going to launched just a few short weeks later?
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#98
Xzibit
HardwareluxxThe water cooler iss supplied by CoolIT
They also say the water cooler is supplied by CoolIT which all previous rumors along with the 295x2 was supplied by Asetek.

I like the disclamer to their own article
HardwareluxxEverything about the Radeon Fury X continues to be based on hearsay. Especially any information relating to performance has to treated with caution
AMD have a press event in 5hrs @ Computex. Maybe some information comes out of it.
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#99
wiak
Serpent of DarknessSource:
Hagedoorn, Hilbert, 05-30-2015, EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti SKU lineup leaks with prices:
www.guru3d.com/news-story/evga-leaks-geforce-gtx-980-ti-sku-lineup-and-prices.html

Above is bolded to support my point in this post. With the NVidia GTX 980 Ti going between $799.99 and $827.99 for the drop in performance to a GTX Titan-X, taking into consideration what I've bold up above, it's a safe bet that this will be true. Also, this is the worst case scenario, but this is also taking account that GTX 980 Ti was never going to beat AMD R9-390x Aka Rage by much on performance differences or averages.

I've always suspected a head of time before the announcement of D3D12.0 that for the CPU side, there has always been a bottleneck of some form. This is what brought performance down for PC Games. On the GPU side, I believe it's the framebuffer speeds. Taking into account that there are other areas besides CPU bottleneck and framebuffer speeds that drop performance. Other areas that slow down performance: The CPU does a lot of other renderings like Shadows, Particle Effects, Physics, etc... If these things could be offloaded to the GPU, performance would go up even further. D3D12.0 aka DirectX 12.0 is a solution to the CPU bottleneck, and in some ways, utilization of HBM is a solution to the gain in performance for Discrete Graphic Cards. Implementation of HBM now for AMD is going to be to their benefit for this generation, and this is probably the defining x-factor that's making NVidia sell their units faster in comparison to previous generations. So yes, in conclusion, NVidia will possibly start thrusting out their products faster, this generation, before AMD goes live with their Flavor of the Generation, to make a quick buck.


Back to the post:

The Rage Branding is nothing more than a marketing gimmick. Gimmicks don't sell, even with a history of lacking performance and issues for AMD's past. It works for NVidia because they have a track record of churning out products that work, or have a higher rate of not failing, or consumers are happier with NVidia products over AMD products. NVidia sells on gimmicks because it has a past history of delivering or meeting expectations probably over 75% to 90% of the time. This is why NVidia can sell products at a higher price on marketing gimmicks. AMD, I feel you are getting a little ahead of yourself with this. Build a reputation of products that work , that bring the performance, and are idiot-proof for consumers. Once you make a big deal about that, then you can start selling your consumers the b.s. that NVidia is good at for the past 10 years.

Just for the record, Uranus or Ouranos isn't a Titan. He's a Primordial God. The Titan's are just the reject inbreeds that were brought into existence between the Primordial Gods. A lot of people believe that Uranus is related to the Zodiac Gemini because Ouranos represents Heaven, and Heaven is in the air. This ideology is false. What Gemini represents as a Zodiac, or a connection to God or Gods, is the ideology of Duality. Duality is exerted or intertwined on everything. If Taurus represents Mother Earth aka Gaia (Gaea), than Uranus is possibly the dualistic opposite of Gaia.

The whole Titan History and Mythology is just an interpretation of how things came to existence that they (pre-greeks) can't explain and didn't fully understand. In addition, Greek Mythology is just refined religion and information that they got from the Mesopotamian (Bablyonian and Assyrians). The Hebrews did it with the Abraham-God in relation to the Babylonian God, Anu, (who is the chief god, the god who created the Heavens and Creation itself).

For NVidia, the Titan name-brand is nothing more than a marketing gimmick. AMD is just following NVdia's idea of it with the Rage gimmick.
i fixed your post see below

The Rage Branding is nothing more than a marketing gimmick. Gimmicks don't sell, even with a history of lacking performance and issues for AMD's past. It works for NVidia because they have a track record of churning out products that work *NVIDIA Geforce FX* , or have a higher rate of not failing *GeForce 8M* , or consumers are happier with NVidia products over AMD products. NVidia sells on gimmicks because it has a past history of delivering or meeting expectations probably over 75% to 90% of the time. *NVIDIA Geforce GTX 590* This is why NVidia can sell products at a higher price on marketing gimmicks. AMD, I feel you are getting a little ahead of yourself with this. Build a reputation of products that work, that bring the performance, and are idiot-proof for consumers. Once you make a big deal about that, then you can start selling your consumers the b.s. that NVidia is good at for the past 10 years.
the54thvoidThat other one is stolen from a new 30 min project, "Kung Fury".
case in point, rage fury came first :P
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#100
arbiter
HumanSmokeThe no BIOS thing sounds troubling. If the GTX 980 Ti performance was unexpected I could see AMD and AIBs reworking the Fury's clocks to beat the card, but the 980 Ti did no more than match the Titan X which has been out for nearly three months, so the performance bar to beat has been known for some time.
The 980ti's performance is about were most people thought, well the expect same titan gpu not one with some cores disabled but performance is still pretty close only around 10%.
HumanSmokeI suspect the whole Fury 8GB thing is marketing driven at the moment, and that could come back to bite them in the ass. Who is going to buy a 4GB card in late-June, if AMD are announcing that an 8GB version is going to launched just a few short weeks later?
Issue with 8gb one comes down to how much of a premium is it gonna have over 4gb one.
wiakThe Rage Branding is nothing more than a marketing gimmick. Gimmicks don't sell, even with a history of lacking performance and issues for AMD's past. It works for NVidia because they have a track record of churning out products that work *NVIDIA Geforce FX* , or have a higher rate of not failing *GeForce 8M* , or consumers are happier with NVidia products over AMD products. NVidia sells on gimmicks because it has a past history of delivering or meeting expectations probably
yea when Nvidia has made claims about the product it has pretty much worked as they claimed. Reason AMD has been bad with that lately is due to playing catch up to match nvidia in something nvidia has spent almost a year working on where as AMD playing catch up does it in half the time.
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