Friday, January 22nd 2016

MSI Intros 970A-G43 Plus Socket AM3+ Motherboard

MSI unveiled the 970A-G43 Plus socket AM3+ motherboard. Priced under $100, this board offers a modern feature-set for mid-range gaming PC builds based on AMD FX processors. The board supports socket AM3+ processors with TDP of up to 125W. The board is based on AMD 970 + SB950 chipset. It draws power from a combination of 24-pin ATX and 8-pin EPS power connectors, and conditions it for the CPU with a 4+1 phase VRM. The CPU socket is wired to four DDR3 DIMM slots, which support up to 32 GB of DDR3-2133 MHz memory.

Expansion slots include one PCI-Express 2.0 x16, featuring a reinforcement brace; one PCI-Express 2.0 x16 (electrical x4), and two each of PCIe 2.0 x1 and legacy PCI. Storage connectivity includes six SATA 6 Gb/s ports. Modern connectivity includes two USB 3.1 (10 Gb/s) ports; two USB 3.0 (front-panel) ports, 8-channel HD audio (Realtek ALC892), and gigabit Ethernet (Realtek controller). The board is driven by UEFI firmware, and supports modern Windows 8.1/10 features.
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65 Comments on MSI Intros 970A-G43 Plus Socket AM3+ Motherboard

#26
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
-The_Mask-Lol in a year or so I hope that people here are looking at the current the VRM can deliver and the quality of the VRM instead of how many fases a VRM has. I guess this forum isn't there yet...
Says the person who can't even spell phases right or do the tiniest bit of research to see that MSI's budget boards do not have quality VRM components.
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#27
-The_Mask-
Aquinusdo the tiniest bit of research to see that MSI's budget boards do not have quality VRM components.
Haha lol, see you over a year.
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#28
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
-The_Mask-Haha lol, see you over a year.
Fine. I still have yet to see you refute any of the points that any person who has disagreed with you in this thread has said.

Acting like an immature brat doesn't make you right. Maybe in a year you'll have grown up a bit.
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#29
-The_Mask-
Why should I refute anything, I know I'm right. Someone said that the VRM is bad because it has a 4+1 VRM design. He said 4+1 = means bad design. I said that's like saying more GHz is better en more watts is better, it's nonsense.

Another then said, MSI has bad motherboard 4+1 VRM designs and then said, so this one also must be bad. I then said that's an assumption. You should look at the specification and don't make assumptions before actually knowing them.

Now tell me, were was I wrong?
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#30
PP Mguire
In the fact that for the past few years now MSI has been proven to provide bad VRMs on their boards and that this is the same design?

At least you know how to keep the thread entertaining for us.
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#31
-The_Mask-
PP MguireIn the fact that for the past few years now MSI has been proven to provide bad VRMs on their boards and that this is the same design?

At least you know how to keep the thread entertaining for us.
The funny thing is that I never said anything about the VRM design from older MSI motherboards, that again was someone else.

I know that MSI already had bad VRM design way for AM3+. Can't help that someone else made the assumption that I don't know the current state of MSI motherboards.

So again, where was I wrong?
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#32
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
-The_Mask-Why should I refute anything, I know I'm right.
Because everyone is disagreeing with you and saying crap like "I know I'm right," isn't a very good way to convince people that you are. Arrogance without fact just makes people resent you.
-The_Mask-Someone said that the VRM is bad because it has a 4+1 VRM design. He said 4+1 = means bad design.
No. Take your own advice and learn to read. The person said that 4+1 is bad for 125-watt TDP AMD CPUs which has been a constant theme for AMD motherboards with the 970 chipset and anecdotal evidence from people on this forum seem to support that. I can't tell you how many threads have cropped up because someone thought they could run a 8c FX CPU with a 125-watt TDP (or higher,) on such a board.

Tell me, how many 2011 or 2011-3 boards do you see with 4 phase CPU power? You don't, because it's dumb to demand 130-watt TDPs or higher out of such a lackluster setup.
-The_Mask-Another then said, MSI has bad motherboard 4+1 VRM designs and then said, so this one also must be bad. I then said that's an assumption. You should look at the specification and don't make assumptions before actually knowing them.

Now tell me, were was I wrong?
You were wrong by assuming that there has been some strange revolution in MOSFET technology on MSI boards.
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#33
ThE_MaD_ShOt
Well me being a mainly Amd guy, I am saying I think the time has passed for new Am3+ boards. Time to move on.
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#34
suraswami
I am tired of seeing same boards getting dipped in Black ink and released for the sake of keeping AM3+ alive.

Or finally the board manufacturers are figuring out how to design a board for FX CPUs
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#35
Norton
Moderator - Returning from the Darkness
ThE_MaD_ShOtWell me being a mainly Amd guy, I am saying I think the time has passed for new Am3+ boards. Time to move on.
Almost time.... build a 990X/990FX board in mATX and mini ITX with the power circuitry to handle any chip you toss in there- then you have me for one more round! :D
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#36
ThE_MaD_ShOt
@Norton I have a couple mATX boards that will run 8350's with a slight oc. Does that count? LOL
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#37
Devon68
Almost time.... build a 990X/990FX board in mATX and mini ITX with the power circuitry to handle any chip you toss in there- then you have me for one more round! :D
Oh hell you seem to hit the nail on the head with that statement. That's what I've been waiting for a long time to be able to downsize my rig.
AM3+ mini ITX board= me :)
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#38
Norton
Moderator - Returning from the Darkness
ThE_MaD_ShOt@Norton I have a couple mATX boards that will run 8350's with a slight oc. Does that count? LOL
9590 @5Ghz or they can keep it! :p
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#39
Octavean
Batou1986Buying an AM3+ platform in 2016

Indeed,......

You know what this reminds me of?

It reminds me of the Coleco Adam computer. When I was a kid I wanted one in the worst way but never got it. I was surprised to find out that there was this thing called Adam-Con where people had an odd attachment to this ancient computer hardware,......


And I thought, WTF,......?

Cool for nostalgia sake but I can't justify spending one thin dime on such hardware,.
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#40
-The_Mask-
AquinusYou were wrong by assuming that there has been some strange revolution in MOSFET technology on MSI boards.
Motherboard makers are happy with people like you which believe in marketing. They like to give people number who doesn't mean much, but will make them believe that more is better.

That's why you don't see many cheap retail motherboard with a quality 4+1 VRM design, because people like you say it's bad even if it doesn't have to mean anything. In non retail motherboards you see a lot more quality 4+1 VRM designs. You know why? Because people aren't screaming on forums that is bad because of the 4+1 VRM design, without even knowing the specifications. No one actually paying attention on the VRM on non-retail motherboards, they don't care if it's a 4+1 design met 60A phases or a 8+2 design with 30A phases.

But you defiantly proved a point. Most people here aren't ready yet for a quality 4+1 VRM design that can deliver a high current. Which makes it useless for a company like MSI to make a good 4+1 VRM design, because people are gonna bash at them anyway.
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#41
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
-The_Mask-Motherboard makers are happy with people like you which believe in marketing. They like to give people number who doesn't mean much, but will make them believe that more is better.

That's why you don't see many cheap retail motherboard with a quality 4+1 VRM design, because people like you say it's bad even if it doesn't have to mean anything. In non retail motherboards you see a lot more quality 4+1 VRM designs. You know why? Because people aren't screaming on forums that is bad because of the 4+1 VRM design, without even knowing the specifications. No one actually paying attention on the VRM on non-retail motherboards, they don't care if it's a 4+1 design met 60A phases or a 8+2 design with 30A phases.

But you defiantly proved a point. Most people here aren't ready yet for a quality 4+1 VRM design that can deliver a high current. Which makes it useless for a company like MSI to make a good 4+1 VRM design, because people are gonna bash at them anyway.
...but this board doesn't have MOSFETs that can handle 60A, now does it? No 4 phase AMD motherboard produced by MSI can so, why would you make this claim? Also once again, you seem to not understand how MOSFETs work. I guess I'll quote myself for you.
AquinusD: Fewer phases usually means more switching and MOSFETs produce most of their heat when they're changing states (on to off or off to on,) not when they're simply on or off.
Also I'm not an idiot. I know that companies likeGigabyte have VRM setups that can do 60A per phase. What you need to understand is that such technology costs a lot to produce and that if a company ever expects to make money off of a budget board, they're not going to put their best hardware in a cheap board. It hurts their bottom line.
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#42
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Aquinus...but this board doesn't have MOSFETs that can handle 60A, now does it? No 4 phase AMD motherboard produced by MSI can so, why would you make this claim? Also once again, you seem to not understand how MOSFETs work. I guess I'll quote myself for you
No AMD board has 4 60A phases period. Not even my server grade board, designed to handle loads that would shit on a 9590.
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#43
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
cdawallNo AMD board has 4 60A phases period. Not even my server grade board, designed to handle loads that would shit on a 9590.
Hey, hey, hey. I'm giving the poor fella the benefit of the doubt. I never said he was right. :laugh:
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#44
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
AquinusHey, hey, hey. I'm giving the poor fella the benefit of the doubt. I never said he was right. :laugh:
I'm not he is being ignorant and it is annoying me.
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#45
Parn
With Zen/AM4 literally around the corner, I think this is just a way of dumping old stocks by MSI. Maybe the other manufacturers will follow suit and we will get a slew of budget AM3+ boards soon.
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#46
micropage7
actually i like my phenom but i just cant stand the wattage, so now its back to the box
btw it has no vrm heatsink? MSI put heatsink mark but they dont use that.too bad
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#47
ManofGod
I would not touch this board nor any 4+1 phase board at all. However, I do own a MSI 970 Gaming which is a 6 phase board and is quite solid. (Had to replace an Asrock 990FX Extreme 4 board that had issues.) The only thing that upsets me about some of these newer, better 970 and 990 boards that are being released is this: WHERE WERE THEY EVEN ONE YEAR AGO! :D

Many more FX chips would have been sold had these new, better boards had been around even just 2 years ago.
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#48
buildzoid
ManofGodI would not touch this board nor any 4+1 phase board at all. However, I do own a MSI 970 Gaming which is a 6 phase board and is quite solid. (Had to replace an Asrock 990FX Extreme 4 board that had issues.) The only thing that upsets me about some of these newer, better 970 and 990 boards that are being released is this: WHERE WERE THEY EVEN ONE YEAR AGO! :D

Many more FX chips would have been sold had these new, better boards had been around even just 2 years ago.
The 970 gaming has 4 MOSFETs in each phase. I tried looking them up and apparently they can do 70A. But the manufacturer didn't specify an operating temperature so I guess 70A at 25C and more like 30-15A at 125C. I used the 970 Gaming for Cinebench at 6.3Ghz and 1.79V core on LN2 with an FX 8320E. So if you can keep those MOSFETs cool they can certainly handle a lot of power.

This thing on the other hand is heatsinkless and the MOSFETs look very low end just based on the IC package.
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#49
-The_Mask-
At last, one person that actually gets it.

Others should know that there are a lot of different manufacturers and types of mosfets, and the max current also depends on the way the VRM is implemented.

Over and out.
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#50
RejZoR
Batou1986Buying an AM3+ platform in 2016

Not everyone target top end. For some, cost/efficiency matters more. And for that AMD is still an excellent option. Also, why Intel released Z170 which is mostly inferior to an ancient X99 ? Just because again, not everyone target top end. Z170 is more cost/efficient for most casual users. That's why.
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