Friday, September 2nd 2016

AMD "Zen" and Intel "Kaby Lake" will Only Support Windows 10 and *nix

If you're holding out on Windows 7 as your PC gaming platform, you may also want to hold out on your current hardware for a long while. Microsoft is making good on a warning it made earlier this year, that it would not provide support to users of upcoming processors on older Windows operating systems. At their launch, Intel's 7th generation Core "Kaby Lake" processors and AMD "Summit Ridge" and "Bristol Ridge" will receive support from Microsoft only on the Windows 10 operating system. Older Windows versions will not receive drivers from Microsoft that support the new platforms. This is similar to Microsoft cutting off support for Windows XP from Intel's 3rd generation Core "Ivy Bridge" processors.

Without platform support, your Windows installation won't utilize many of the CPU features introduced with "Kaby Lake" and "Zen" and will likely run on a bare-minimum compatibility mode. This effectively cuts off PC enthusiasts from using older Windows versions on new hardware, such as the still-popular Windows 7. Non-Microsoft operating systems such as the latest *nix distributions such as ChromeOS, SteamOS, and OS X are still fully compatible with the upcoming chips. Sources: PC Gamer, Many Thanks to 95Viper for the tip.
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108 Comments on AMD "Zen" and Intel "Kaby Lake" will Only Support Windows 10 and *nix

#1
natr0n
Scare tactics. always ways around this.
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#2
RejZoR
Then again, stop hanging on to OS released 6 years ago... which is especially silly if you're running a brand new system.
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#3
wiak
old news?, heck ms even backtracked on it, why is this even news?
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#4
95Viper
wiak
old news?, heck ms even backtracked on it, why is this even news?
Well, it was Skylake they backtracked on...

It is news... because, there is updated/additional info in the reporting... guess you would need to read the source and other linked sources.

And, now, Intel is not going to be making drivers for the newer platforms on other than Windows 10. You would have to come up with your own drivers or have someone else code them.
Quote from source, PCGamer:
There's not a whole lot Intel and AMD are saying about this. Both chipmakers provided canned responses when asked for thoughts on the subject, with Intel confirming it has no plans on updating Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1 drivers for Kaby Lake "per Microsoft's support policy change."
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#5
ZoneDymo
RejZoR
Then again, stop hanging on to OS released 6 years ago... which is especially silly if you're running a brand new system.
Well not entirely, you throw it out as some universal rule but if the new OS is barely an improvement then "upgrading" would be rather silly.
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#6
RejZoR
Sure Windows 10 has few silly things. And so does indows 8.1. Then again Windows 7 has them as well. And Windows XP as well. And Windows 98 as well... I just know I wouldn't go back to Windows 7. Had that opinion when I was still using Windows 8.1...
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#7
laszlo
lack of support doesn't mean won't function

cpu producers make the drivers for their products so we'll see if these can be used/forced/changed for older OS's

and for M$ the usual big thx! :
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#8
MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
ZoneDymo
Well not entirely, you throw it out as some universal rule but if the new OS is barely an improvement then "upgrading" would be rather silly.
Id rather upgrade to reduce the number of machines that they still have to support using an older OS. Let them put more focus into the new OS and the new one to be released.
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#9
Melvis
Really Microsoft? are you that retarded? there is a reason why over 50% of all PC users use Windows 7, if you dont see it then your only shooting yourself in the foot! Just another reason to move over to Linux.
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#10
PLSG08
I kinda want to know the side of the users that refuse to upgrade to the newer OS version. I originally came from Win 7,then upgraded to Win 8.1 after half a year of its release, and I installed win 10 a few months back. What are their reason's from not updating to the newer OS? I would understand pricing now but what about the time when the Win 10 upgrade was free? Is it because you're much used to the old system that the new one might overwhelm/confuse you?

Not really trying to bash or throw dirt on anyone but IMO this is a good move from MS as with this they could focus on Win10 development and optimization rather than focusing on keeping those older OS' alive.
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#11
the54thvoid
My irony is (and backs up what a few are saying) that I'm waiting for the newer hardware before I update the OS. I'd happily move to W10 but I'd rather do that as an entire new system build.
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#12
Caring1
PLSG08
I kinda want to know the side of the users that refuse to upgrade to the newer OS version. .....Is it because you're much used to the old system that the new one might overwhelm/confuse you?

Not really trying to bash or throw dirt on anyone but ....
For someone that's not trying, you're doing a good job of mud slinging.
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#13
deemon
PLSG08
I kinda want to know the side of the users that refuse to upgrade to the newer OS version. I originally came from Win 7,then upgraded to Win 8.1 after half a year of its release, and I installed win 10 a few months back. What are their reason's from not updating to the newer OS? I would understand pricing now but what about the time when the Win 10 upgrade was free? Is it because you're much used to the old system that the new one might overwhelm/confuse you?

Not really trying to bash or throw dirt on anyone but IMO this is a good move from MS as with this they could focus on Win10 development and optimization rather than focusing on keeping those older OS' alive.
windows 8/8.1/10 is just fugly. and 10 even more ugly with anniversary update, when they "upgraded" the UAC message also to this modern app look shit.
I have been using windows 10 from the first week it was launched. Using 10 at home for gaming and 7 at work, so I have like every day comparison between the 10 and 7. ... and I still hate what they have done to the looks of windows over 7. so I completely understand the people who don't want to upgrade. And don't even start me with the forced updates and reboots; the fugly new settings menu shit with half the options missing that windows 7 has; non-working group policy rules for trying to prevent auto-reboots; in-built telemetry and keyloggers and start menu advertisements ffs. => Windows 10 was designed and developed by sadists and that's the fact.
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#14
ShockG
You can still install windowsXP on KabyLake CPU, just "no support" or official support. Not too much of an issue I would think..
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#15
Octopuss
PLSG08
I kinda want to know the side of the users that refuse to upgrade to the newer OS version. I originally came from Win 7,then upgraded to Win 8.1 after half a year of its release, and I installed win 10 a few months back. What are their reason's from not updating to the newer OS? I would understand pricing now but what about the time when the Win 10 upgrade was free? Is it because you're much used to the old system that the new one might overwhelm/confuse you?

Not really trying to bash or throw dirt on anyone but IMO this is a good move from MS as with this they could focus on Win10 development and optimization rather than focusing on keeping those older OS' alive.
I refuse to upgrade because Windows 10:
1) looks like shit. I can't stand the flat design, it almost makes me physically sick, and everything blending together makes it significantly more difficult for me to tell what is what.
2) works like shit. When I actually installed it to have a first hand experience, it felt like taking 10 steps backwards. The whole fucking thing is a mess that's impossible for me to navigate through, because some genius thought it was an awesome idea to - among other things - screw up perfectly working Control panel and toss all the settings randomly into illogical places that make no sense, so what I was used to for say 15 years suddenly didn't apply anymore. It's EXACTLY like this:

3) Windows Update.

P.S. I don't really care about the spying hystery - I can take care of it myself.
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#16
Prima.Vera
Guys, you are all talking from stand alone user experience. How about all the Companies out there (80%) that are still using Windows 7 machines due to various reasons (mine included) ??
Those companies are buying new laptops every year, but they all have custom build images for Windows 7.
Isn't in your opinion a little bit retarded to stop the support for the new CPUs for using an older OS??
Maybe all those companies don't want to upgrade to Windows 10 for compatibility issues, costs, effort, etc.
For an average user Windows 7 is perfect. Why cripple his brand new laptop for not having the latest OS??
F**g idiots!
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#17
RejZoR
The new Control Panel is perfectly fine, they are just transitioning settings from old one to new one, that's why things look a bit funny being in two places.
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#18
Mats
PLSG08
What are their reason's from not updating to the newer OS? I would understand pricing now but what about the time when the Win 10 upgrade was free? Is it because you're much used to the old system that the new one might overwhelm/confuse you?
Easy, feature creep (pun), as in features creeping away and being altered premanently long after launch.

I was pro W10 until 1607 was launched. MS decided that you must have a lock screen (due to some trending bullshit, likely the most annoying explanation I've ever read from MS) and removed some settings that always had been there. If they had done that in 1507, fine, I wouldn't have complained that much. But now the situation is different, MS just showed me that they can remove features whenever they want, because of the windows as a service plan.

I can live with a lock screen, that's not the point. I can go searching for tweaks and workarounds, no problem − on a new install.
However, I'm not prepared to new versions once or twice a year that messes up my computer, even if it's only minor things.
Install any of the older versions and it stays like that, but not with W10. Yeah I know that the older versions aren't being developed anymore..

It's W8.1 for me now, after that it's either Linux or W10, we'll see.
I'm not prepared to holding my breath twice a year, not really knowing what they're going to break next.
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#19
Octopuss
RejZoR
The new Control Panel is perfectly fine, they are just transitioning settings from old one to new one, that's why things look a bit funny being in two places.
So I should be fine with using a beta product or what?
From what I could see, noone was transitioning anything anywhere. There was no new control panel, just setting scattered all over the place.
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#20
Mats
MS started moving away from the Control panel in one of the Windows 8 betas (not the first ones), is that like 6 or 7 years ago? Must be incredibly hard to do. :rolleyes:
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#21
Octopuss
Mats
MS started moving away from the Control panel in one of the Windows 8 betas (not the first ones), is that like 6 or 7 years ago? Must be incredibly hard to do. :rolleyes:
Hard what?
I never used Windows 8.
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#22
Mats
Octopuss
Hard what?
To do. Moving away from the Control panel and replace it, that is. It's still not finished after 7 years, that's why the settings are scattered all over the place.
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#23
Easo
This is not exactly "new news".
And the whine here... ah... delicious.
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#24
P4-630
I would be a good laugh if the majority only buys Skylake in the upcoming years because of this.:D
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#25
Octopuss
Easo
This is not exactly "new news".
And the whine here... ah... delicious.
Whine? Perhaps. Your stupid comment? Definitely. Seriously - if you have nothing to say, keep your mouth shut.
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