Tuesday, December 13th 2016

AMD RYZEN Demo Event - Beats $1,100 8-Core i7-6900K, With Lower TDP

At their Austin, Texas "New Horizon" Event, AMD introduced us to live "ZEN" chips working full-tilt, showing us what AMD's passion and ingenuity managed to achieve. The "New Horizon" event was a celebration to what AMD sees as another one of those special, breakthrough moments for a company: after starting work on "ZEN" 4 years ago in 2012 as a complete new design. The focus: building a great machine, whilst increasing IPC by 40% over their previous architecture, at the same power constraints; and to create a smart machine, which could sense and adapt to environment and applications so it improves over time. The company's verdicts: "ZEN" met or exceeded their goals, with the desktop PC market being home to the very first "ZEN" product.

According to AMD's CEO Dr. Lisa Su, AMD's event was named "New Horizon" as a reference to AMD's vision in the computing space: that they're on a journey to bring a new generation of processor technology, and customers towards a new horizon of computing. Their intention? To directly connect with fans who love PC gaming, whilst doing what AMD does best - pushing the envelope on performance, power, frame-rates and technology. AMD also flaunted their renewed faith in gaming, with it being on the company's DNA and passion, whilst revisiting the old memory lane, reminiscing on the Athlon Thunderbird, the world's first chip to break the 1 GHz barrier; the launch of their first 64-bit processor; and breaking the 1 TFLOP barrier in computing power with their HD 4850 and 4870 gaming GPUs.
AMD confirmed that CPUs based on their "ZEN" micro-architecture will carry the brand "Ryzen" - a play on the "ZEN" architecture's focus on balance, high performance and low power, while introducing new features. Ryzen is AMD's take of a processor that is both powerful in purpose, and efficient in design, and it symbolizes the power of "ZEN" reaching the next horizon in computing. They will do so by starting with an 8-core, 16-thread, SMT-enabled, 3.4 GHz+ base clock and 20MB combined cache new high-performance CPU, leveraging all the improvements baked into AMD's new AM4 platform (with 3.4 GHz apparently being the lowest frequency a Ryzen, consumer-level desktop solution will carry).
To prove their words and commitment to Ryzen's performance, AMD showcased the chip's prowess in a Blender test, pitting a Ryzen CPU at 3.4 GHz base clock (without Boost), with the consumer market's only other 8-core, 16-thread CPU in the Intel i7 6900K, at its stock 3.2 GHz base clock, with Boost enabled and no adjustments, "straight out of the box". The verdict: Ryzen matched the 6900K's performance. Dr. Lisa Su was quick to point out the 6900K's pricing at $1100, though she left an intentional silence at the point where she could have made a bombastic pricing announcement for Ryzen - perhaps keeping her cards close to her chest so as to not allow Intel to figure out any pricing changes in their products (if any), should Ryzen prove deserving of such a response. But the bottom line, and the home-run hit by Lisa Su, was the announcement that Ryzen was able to match Intel's performance with 45 W less TDP - 95 W TDP on Ryzen against the 140 W TDP on Intel's 6900K. In another test, this time a Handbrake transcoding demo, Ryzen transcoded a video in 54 seconds, against 59 seconds on Intel's 6900K processor.
Again at 3.4 GHz, Ryzen was shown "beating the game frame-rates of a Core i7 6900K playing Battlefield 1 at 4K resolution, with each CPU paired with an Nvidia Titan X GPU". Not drawing any more attention than needs to be drawn towards the usage of an NVIDIA solution at their own event (which was puzzling, since AMD did show a Ryzen CPU and a VEGA-based graphics cards running Star Wars Battlefront's as-of-yet unreleased Rogue One DLC at over 60fps in 4K), we didn't actually see any reported frame-rated on the Battlefield 1 demo - only that the Ryzen-based system offered considerably less frame-skipping than the Intel solution, with the expected effects that has on the gaming experience.
AMD also announced what constitutes part of Ryzen's beating heart: their SenseMI technology, which includes "Neural Net Prediction" - an artificial intelligence neural network that learns to predict what future pathway an application will take based on past runs; "Smart Prefetch", which drinks from the "Neural Net Prediction", anticipating the data an app needs and having it ready when needed (with these two features alone being responsible for 1/4 of Ryzen's performance uplift, according to Lisa Su). Additionally, AMD announced Ryzen's "Pure Power" and "Precision Boost" features: more than "100 embedded sensors with accuracy to the millivolt, milliwatt, and single degree level of temperature enable optimal voltage, clock frequency, and operating mode with minimal energy consumption", controlling each part of the chip, independently, in milliseconds, leveraging "smart logic that monitors integrated sensors and optimizes clock speeds, in increments as small as 25MHz, at up to a thousand times a second". Finishing the pentad of new features was the "Extended Frequency Range" (XFR), a temperature-based boost function where the processor knows what temperature it's operating at, enabling higher clock speeds as the system gets cooler (and vice-versa, we'd expect, towards the 3.4 GHz base clock).
At the event, AMD showed Ryzen running a VR demo, as well as delivering performance in raytracing, with physically based shaders and materials, HDR, and a grand total of 53 million polygons in a single model. Interestingly, AMD also showed their Ryzen CPU against an Intel 6700K processor overlocked towards an unspecified frequency, comparing the chip's performance in streaming DOTA 2: where the 6700K showed severe frame-skipping on the streaming screen, but Ryzen handled it beautifully.
As a sendoff, AMD's CEO Lisa SU mentioned that Ryzen will be on desktop and notebook solutions (leaving out the server market, which could mean a brand distinction between both solutions", whilst reaffirming that Ryzen's Q1 launch is completely on track, from the only company that has both high-performance CPUs and GPUs. And as an appetizer, the good doctor did say that Ryzen's performance will only improve until their promised launch.
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205 Comments on AMD RYZEN Demo Event - Beats $1,100 8-Core i7-6900K, With Lower TDP

#151
rruff
OctaveanIf a RYZEN 8 core 16 thread monster came in at about ~$300 to ~$400 USD retail I would be very interested and tempted. However, if Intel were to drop prices on the Core i7 6900K to the same price range it would be easier and simpler for me to just buy the Core i7 6900K because its a drop-in upgrade. That is a big "if" though.
Expect Intel to match or beat AMD on $/performance and to introduce chips that are superior to anything AMD makes where they will get higher margins.

I could very well be wrong, but I doubt Intel has been really been giving us their "best" the last several years. They simply haven't needed to.
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#152
dalekdukesboy
Just want this to hurry up already hit the shelves and blow up the market. I'm gagging on the high end chip prices for x79 nevermind x99! I think it's almost an understatement to say Intel hasn't been giving it it's best the last several years...why it has no need. Just give small incremental improvements while selling for crazy money because AMD just isn't even in the picture. So yeah, I'm kinda anxious for that crap to end and competition and innovation to be brought back into the market again.
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#153
Shihab
BiggieShadyFor those who are wondering about IPC judging from the multi threaded tests, the only way possible that Ryzen's IPC is much worse than Broadwell E, is if SMT is much better than HyperThreading ... 8c16t broadwell e has tons of cache and HT is rather mature/refined after all these years, so the IPC should be competitive.
About OC potential, 3.4 GHz base clock is nothing to sneeze at for a 8c16t part ... and with total power consumption lowered, the only real question that remains: Will the chip be as resistant (to electromigration) as intel's at temps over 80C?
Zen's memory hierarchy is slightly different from BW-E's, the latter's cache is only larger on the upper level. I've always had the illusion that L3 cache's size is practically irrelevant for common use (Raytracing and encoding included), can't find a confirmation for it yet though. But it remains that cache size -in general- isn't necessarily a win for Intel or that it helped cover up lower IPC compared to Zen.
Other than that, I agree. It isn't plausible that AMD's SMT application would reach intel's efficiency. Zen's IPC might prove better.

Nitpicking: Hyperthreading is an SMT application, the term is non-brand specific general jargon.
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#154
BiggieShady
ShihabyoooBut it remains that cache size -in general- isn't necessarily a win for Intel or that it helped cover up lower IPC compared to Zen.
I never meant to compare cache sizes, I meant that the L2+L3 cache is so abundant in Broadwell E so blender/handbrake multithreaded tasks scale almost perfectly ... which means we can somewhat draw conclusions about single thread performance of zen ... it can't be worse unless AMD SMT is more efficient than HT
ShihabyoooNitpicking: Hyperthreading is an SMT application, the term is non-brand specific general jargon.
Yeah, it truly is general term, when I said SMT I meant AMD SMT :toast:
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#157
Vayra86
Eknex
WCCFTech should just be ignored imo. The amount of BS they spread around the internet is borderline criminal.
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#158
GoldenX
Is there any rumor on lower/lowest end parts, and the TDP support for the different chipsets?
A quad core (Ry)Zen on the lowest chipset (as I understand, that means no chipset at all, just the Zen SoC) should be extremly cheap.
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#160
dalekdukesboy
I thought that was a picture of all their current chips...just add water to perk up a few hundred mhz and you can still only dream of touching Intel's head Watermelon's performance:)
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#161
anubis44
TheLaughingManBut what if in 1 year, what AMD is offering is faster than a 6950X for the same price, or the same performance for like $400?
He's still planning to buy Intel anyway, even if it's slower and more expensive.
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#162
dalekdukesboy
anubis44He's still planning to buy Intel anyway, even if it's slower and more expensive.
Kinda tough to criticize someone who said something plausible to reply to that after you dig up a quote from 5 pages and days ago...You're sadly defining troll and faboi with one two sentence post, doubt that's your intent but that's your end result.
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#163
R0H1T
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else, anyway :respect:


This is RYZEN (engineering sample) :toast:
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#164
Caring1
So basically it is better at calculations and crunching, but still beaten soundly in other areas.
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#165
R0H1T
Caring1So basically it is better at calculations and crunching, but still beaten soundly in other areas.
Say what :wtf:

The tests were done with a clock speed disadvantage of around 5~10% for ryzen, as compared to 6900K, not to mention quad channel memory for BDW-E. So far what I gather, from this review, is that ryzen is between 5960x & 6900k in terms of performance & that with the final production silicon still a few weeks (months?) away. If the auto OC feature works as advertised & ryzen is not an OCing dud, it should sell out quickly provided the price isn't exorbitant.
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#167
bug
R0H1TSay what :wtf:

The tests were done with a clock speed disadvantage of around 5~10% for ryzen, as compared to 6900K, not to mention quad channel memory for BDW-E. So far what I gather, from this review, is that ryzen is between 5960x & 6900k in terms of performance & that with the final production silicon still a few weeks (months?) away. If the auto OC feature works as advertised & ryzen is not an OCing dud, it should sell out quickly provided the price isn't exorbitant.
I'm sure the final silicon will be twice as fast and need half the electrical power :rolleyes:
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#168
R0H1T
bugI'm sure the final silicon will be twice as fast and need half the electrical power :rolleyes:
Sure, I'll take your word for it o_O
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#169
Vayra86
What I find far more fascinating is that you can see a 68% perf increase at 75% of the clocks of an FX 8370 while keeping a very low power draw. That's massive progress.

If AMD can do this with a completely fresh architecture on an ES and place that this close to Intel's top end CPU that's been seeing no less than 3-4 refreshes, imagine the refresh a year from now.
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#170
EarthDog
Vayra86What I find far more fascinating is that you can see a 68% perf increase at 75% of the clocks of an FX 8370 while keeping a very low power draw. That's massive progress.

If AMD can do this with a completely fresh architecture on an ES and place that this close to Intel's top end CPU that's been seeing no less than 3-4 refreshes, imagine the refresh a year from now.
What.... a piledrver to bulldozer increase? (None)

Honestly, I have zero expectations of an amd refresh past this so.... who the hell knows what they put out after this. We don't even know what 'this' is, nonetheless it's next iteration..
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#171
Vayra86
EarthDogWhat.... a piledrver to bulldozer increase? (None)

Honestly, I have zero expectations of an amd refresh past this so.... who the hell knows what they put out after this. We don't even know what 'this' is, nonetheless it's next iteration..
Let's not keep putting salt in that old wound :D It's painful to think about that, hopefully AMD noticed that too and they won't repeat it ^^

Gaming benchmarks: 1% below an i5 that runs at 3.5/3.9. If Zen can push similar clocks, it will be faster than the i5 in IPC. If that is consistent, Im officially impressed.
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#172
EarthDog
Keep wishing...

Point is, we don't know know what this is. Nonetheless the next zen...lol.
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#173
P4-630
After Ryzen will be available I think it takes them many years for a good successor again.
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#174
Vayra86
P4-630After Ryzen will be available I think it takes them many years for a good successor again.
Likely, but it will be peanuts to get better yields and better clocking CPUs. It's very normal and is essentially what Intel's been doing ever since they released something on 14nm. Small IPC gains, small clock bumps, nothing extraordinary.
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#175
EarthDog
Still waiting for that out of bulldozer...

I wouldn't hold my breath. :)
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