Tuesday, December 13th 2016

AMD RYZEN Demo Event - Beats $1,100 8-Core i7-6900K, With Lower TDP

At their Austin, Texas "New Horizon" Event, AMD introduced us to live "ZEN" chips working full-tilt, showing us what AMD's passion and ingenuity managed to achieve. The "New Horizon" event was a celebration to what AMD sees as another one of those special, breakthrough moments for a company: after starting work on "ZEN" 4 years ago in 2012 as a complete new design. The focus: building a great machine, whilst increasing IPC by 40% over their previous architecture, at the same power constraints; and to create a smart machine, which could sense and adapt to environment and applications so it improves over time. The company's verdicts: "ZEN" met or exceeded their goals, with the desktop PC market being home to the very first "ZEN" product.

According to AMD's CEO Dr. Lisa Su, AMD's event was named "New Horizon" as a reference to AMD's vision in the computing space: that they're on a journey to bring a new generation of processor technology, and customers towards a new horizon of computing. Their intention? To directly connect with fans who love PC gaming, whilst doing what AMD does best - pushing the envelope on performance, power, frame-rates and technology. AMD also flaunted their renewed faith in gaming, with it being on the company's DNA and passion, whilst revisiting the old memory lane, reminiscing on the Athlon Thunderbird, the world's first chip to break the 1 GHz barrier; the launch of their first 64-bit processor; and breaking the 1 TFLOP barrier in computing power with their HD 4850 and 4870 gaming GPUs.
AMD confirmed that CPUs based on their "ZEN" micro-architecture will carry the brand "Ryzen" - a play on the "ZEN" architecture's focus on balance, high performance and low power, while introducing new features. Ryzen is AMD's take of a processor that is both powerful in purpose, and efficient in design, and it symbolizes the power of "ZEN" reaching the next horizon in computing. They will do so by starting with an 8-core, 16-thread, SMT-enabled, 3.4 GHz+ base clock and 20MB combined cache new high-performance CPU, leveraging all the improvements baked into AMD's new AM4 platform (with 3.4 GHz apparently being the lowest frequency a Ryzen, consumer-level desktop solution will carry).
To prove their words and commitment to Ryzen's performance, AMD showcased the chip's prowess in a Blender test, pitting a Ryzen CPU at 3.4 GHz base clock (without Boost), with the consumer market's only other 8-core, 16-thread CPU in the Intel i7 6900K, at its stock 3.2 GHz base clock, with Boost enabled and no adjustments, "straight out of the box". The verdict: Ryzen matched the 6900K's performance. Dr. Lisa Su was quick to point out the 6900K's pricing at $1100, though she left an intentional silence at the point where she could have made a bombastic pricing announcement for Ryzen - perhaps keeping her cards close to her chest so as to not allow Intel to figure out any pricing changes in their products (if any), should Ryzen prove deserving of such a response. But the bottom line, and the home-run hit by Lisa Su, was the announcement that Ryzen was able to match Intel's performance with 45 W less TDP - 95 W TDP on Ryzen against the 140 W TDP on Intel's 6900K. In another test, this time a Handbrake transcoding demo, Ryzen transcoded a video in 54 seconds, against 59 seconds on Intel's 6900K processor.
Again at 3.4 GHz, Ryzen was shown "beating the game frame-rates of a Core i7 6900K playing Battlefield 1 at 4K resolution, with each CPU paired with an Nvidia Titan X GPU". Not drawing any more attention than needs to be drawn towards the usage of an NVIDIA solution at their own event (which was puzzling, since AMD did show a Ryzen CPU and a VEGA-based graphics cards running Star Wars Battlefront's as-of-yet unreleased Rogue One DLC at over 60fps in 4K), we didn't actually see any reported frame-rated on the Battlefield 1 demo - only that the Ryzen-based system offered considerably less frame-skipping than the Intel solution, with the expected effects that has on the gaming experience.
AMD also announced what constitutes part of Ryzen's beating heart: their SenseMI technology, which includes "Neural Net Prediction" - an artificial intelligence neural network that learns to predict what future pathway an application will take based on past runs; "Smart Prefetch", which drinks from the "Neural Net Prediction", anticipating the data an app needs and having it ready when needed (with these two features alone being responsible for 1/4 of Ryzen's performance uplift, according to Lisa Su). Additionally, AMD announced Ryzen's "Pure Power" and "Precision Boost" features: more than "100 embedded sensors with accuracy to the millivolt, milliwatt, and single degree level of temperature enable optimal voltage, clock frequency, and operating mode with minimal energy consumption", controlling each part of the chip, independently, in milliseconds, leveraging "smart logic that monitors integrated sensors and optimizes clock speeds, in increments as small as 25MHz, at up to a thousand times a second". Finishing the pentad of new features was the "Extended Frequency Range" (XFR), a temperature-based boost function where the processor knows what temperature it's operating at, enabling higher clock speeds as the system gets cooler (and vice-versa, we'd expect, towards the 3.4 GHz base clock).
At the event, AMD showed Ryzen running a VR demo, as well as delivering performance in raytracing, with physically based shaders and materials, HDR, and a grand total of 53 million polygons in a single model. Interestingly, AMD also showed their Ryzen CPU against an Intel 6700K processor overlocked towards an unspecified frequency, comparing the chip's performance in streaming DOTA 2: where the 6700K showed severe frame-skipping on the streaming screen, but Ryzen handled it beautifully.
As a sendoff, AMD's CEO Lisa SU mentioned that Ryzen will be on desktop and notebook solutions (leaving out the server market, which could mean a brand distinction between both solutions", whilst reaffirming that Ryzen's Q1 launch is completely on track, from the only company that has both high-performance CPUs and GPUs. And as an appetizer, the good doctor did say that Ryzen's performance will only improve until their promised launch.
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205 Comments on AMD RYZEN Demo Event - Beats $1,100 8-Core i7-6900K, With Lower TDP

#26
Camm
I don't think AMD will price this high - it has too much to gain from regaining market and mindshare to fuck around with the sort of margins Intel keeps gouging.
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#27
Dbiggs9
$300-500 this would be a clear choice hope they don't aim for a premium as they do need market share. Loading up more shares I'm happy with it as is it they don't **** us on price.
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#28
Prima.Vera
Hopefully AMD will awake the sleeping giant with this CPU, and get some proper CPU updates in the future...
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#29
Dbiggs9
No comment on lanes.. Do we know if they are matching intels 40?
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#30
Patriot
biffzinkerTried the Blender render test AMD used got this:


Look for this:


Link: www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/new-horizon
Does anyone have an exact time on theirs? I got ~34s from the youtube demo video.
I rendered in 51.75 on my 1680v3, I am confuzzled... I shouldn't be slower than a 6900k...same cores same clock.
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#31
Evo85
It's good to see AMD finally going after the people who made that company big. The gamers.

This may or may not put them back on top, but it should put them on the field again.

Here's to another AMD vs Intel slugfest!
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#32
Fluffmeister
efikkanSo, they don't (yet) have confidence in their own graphics hardware.
These things don't happen by accident, I suspect it's not "AMD GPU optimization" Xzibit mentioned in defence but really the bonus of a "Nvidia GPU optimization":

www.techspot.com/review/1267-battlefield-1-benchmarks/page5.html

Sadly Nv's hard work gets them vilified showing no major DX12 gains thanks to devs not being to able optimize as well they can, but hey ho at least it makes Zen shine.

But I digress, point is they needed to show an improvement in CPU performance, ironically using their own hardware might not have shown that. ;)
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#33
Melvis
renz496so when independent review going to be available?
When the product is finalised, there still working out final clock speeds and Turbo speeds.

Prices? I would be very surprised if they sell there top tier CPU for under $500 AUS considering thats a third of the price of a 6900K, they are a business afterall and in business its all about making $$$$$, will it be cheaper? hell yes, but that much cheaper? I dont think so.

I watch the event and I was surprised they used a Nvidia Titan X in one of those benchies but I was glad they did, showed no BIAS, was a smart move.

Overall its going to be a fast CPU, no matter what, it will be quick, its going to multi task/thread like a beast and I think be competitive at more single threaded apps. Either way I have noticed over the yrs with software advancements for multi core CPU's my 8350 has only gotten faster, so the future should be looking good for these monster cored beasts.
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#34
xkm1948
8 core 16 threads is finally becoming mainstream. This is definitely good news for everyone. We have been stuck at 4 core 8 threads for far too long.
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#35
chuck216
biffzinkerTried the Blender render test AMD used got this:


Look for this:


Link: www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/new-horizon
Not going to post a screenshot but my FX-8320 @ it's stock 3.5 Ghz took 3:12.34 to complete it. So it definitely has an advantage over the "Previous Generation"
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#36
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
I'll try it on my 5820k when I get home I'm curious how it compares.
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#38
Xzibit
efikkanSo, they don't (yet) have confidence in their own graphics hardware.
Might want to read and know what the event was for first.

This was a Zen preview not a VEGA preview. "New Horizon begins now. Join our journey into the future with a special preview of our newest CPU"
FluffmeisterThese things don't happen by accident, I suspect it's not "AMD GPU optimization" Xzibit mentioned in defence but really the bonus of a "Nvidia GPU optimization":

www.techspot.com/review/1267-battlefield-1-benchmarks/page5.html

Sadly Nv's hard work gets them vilified showing no major DX12 gains thanks to devs not being to able optimize as well they can, but hey ho at least it makes Zen shine.

But I digress, point is they needed to show an improvement in CPU performance, ironically using their own hardware might not have shown that. ;)
The BF1 demo was to showcase Zen @ 4k Ultra settings reguardless of GPU. That's why they used a Titan X(P). Not to disclose VEGA. RX480 wouldnt have been an option for those settings.

I doubt AMD or Nvidia will go out of their way to showcase a unreleased product just to satisfy some forum naysayers so they can move on to the next thread and complain about something else 5 minutes later.
thesmokingmanIronically on another forum they were complaining that if Zen and Vega were all that why didn't they use it Vega. They can't win either way lol.
I'm sure we'll get some here.
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#39
Fluffmeister
XzibitThe BF1 demo was to showcase Zen @ 4k Ultra settings reguardless of GPU. That's why they used a Titan X(P). Not to disclose VEGA.

I doubt AMD or Nvidia will go out of their way to showcase a unreleased product just to satisfy some forum naysayers so they can move on to the next thread and complain about something else 5 minutes later.
The presentation was about Zen, not Vega....

Zen looks great, might even upgrade after 8 years, but I appreciate you can get defensive at times.

Still what is wrong with using Fury X, or better yet the Pro Duo?
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#40
m0nt3
TheLaughingManYeah, no. The FX-9590 has never been anywhere near $1k. I think it maxed out at $250.
No, it was in the $800 -$900 dollar range when it first released, it didnt last very long.
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#41
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
m0nt3No, it was in the $800 -$900 dollar range when it first released, it didnt last very long.
No people price gouged them pre-release at 800+, the CPU was listed by AMD was $300-370 depending if you got the CLC with it.

I purchased my 9370 at release for something like 269.99
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#42
AsRock
TPU addict
qubitIt's looking promising. Still, I'll reserve my excitement for the official reviews. If they say it's epic then I'll jump for joy.
For sure, how ever if they are as good as they claim i really hope they don't cut the prices to much so they can have some chance of making a decent amount of money.
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#43
Blueberries
xkm19488 core 16 threads is finally becoming mainstream. This is definitely good news for everyone. We have been stuck at 4 core 8 threads for far too long.
We haven't been stuck, there's just no demand. What "mainstream" application uses 16 threads? WinRAR?
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#44
m0nt3
cdawallNo people price gouged them pre-release at 800+, the CPU was listed by AMD was $300-370 depending if you got the CLC with it.

I purchased my 9370 at release for something like 269.99
I remember seeing it on newegg in the $800's wether or not it was MSRP, idk. Never looked into, if it wasnt great.
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#45
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
BlueberriesWe haven't been stuck, there's just no demand. What "mainstream" application uses 16 threads? WinRAR?
If the capability is there, then the apps will come. Saying what's the point just highlights the stagnation of current technology. It's about time it moved on.
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#46
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
qubitIf the capability is there, then the apps will come. Saying what's the point just highlights the stagnation of current technology. It's about time it moved on.
I use it albeit I have some oddball usages. I run a plex server in home so have a 12 core 24 thread Xeon. I could have saved a lot of money if they offered a reasonably high clocked 8 core 16 thread mainstream chip instead.
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#47
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
cdawallI use it albeit I have some oddball usages. I run a plex server in home so have a 12 core 24 thread Xeon. I could have saved a lot of money if they offered a reasonably high clocked 8 core 16 thread mainstream chip instead.
And once more threads become mainstream, just watch them all get used up. We already have some games using 4 cores for example.
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#48
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
qubitAnd once more threads become mainstream, just watch them all get used up. We already have some games using 4 cores for example.
We have games using 8-12 threads happily. They are just rarer than the 4 core stuff.
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#49
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
cdawallWe have games using 8-12 threads happily. They are just rarer than the 4 core stuff.
Wow, seriously? :eek: Do you know which ones they are?
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#50
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
qubitWow, seriously? :eek: Do you know which ones they are?
I know ashes was there are others my Google search is failing me right now. There was a nice review showing everything from a Pentium to 5960x with game scaling.
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