Tuesday, September 12th 2017

Microsoft Acknowledges Gaming Performance Issues Under Win 10 Creators Update

Microsoft made considerable noise on their vaulted Game Mode, a Windows feature which made its appearance in their latest Creators Update version of Windows 10. Game Mode was one of the foremost features in the latest Windows update, which was supposed to deliver improved performance in gaming or other full-screen 3D applications, by enabling more of the available CPU and GPU resources to be tapped into by specific applications. Specific CPU (through winding down of non-crucial processes) and GPU (through prioritization of game-related graphics memory allocation) improvements were baked into this latest version; supposedly, only performance improvements should result from this effort on Microsoft's part.
However, things are not as rosy as they should be, and users soon started reporting performance issues with stuttering and lower than expected frame-rates under the latest version of Windows - which didn't occur prior to the Creators Update. Microsoft has been mum on the issue; until now. The company has now officially acknowledged that there are indeed situations where gamers could experience frame-rate and stuttering issues, and has even issued a fix for one such situation with the latest, fast-ring build 16273 and above versions of Windows. However, this has fixed only one of multiple origin points for the reported issues.

Some users are reporting that disabling the Xbox Game DVR feature eliminates the issues, but this isn't working for every user that remains affected. Likely, the issue lies with Microsoft's Game Mode interface and Xbox interface additions to Windows 10 with the Creators Update. It's somewhat of a paradox: at the same time that Microsoft introduces specific CPU and GPU workload optimizations for full-screen applications, they introduce an additional interface layer on top of your 3D application, enabling additional Xbox-based functionality (such as the aforementioned DVR capability). Likely, that's the culprit of the whole performance issues; it remains to be seen whether all sources of the performance issues will be fixed through windows updates, or if users will have to wait until the Fall Creators Update for a fully resolved scenario.

Sources: MS PowerUser, Windows Feedback Hub, via Neowin
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31 Comments on Microsoft Acknowledges Gaming Performance Issues Under Win 10 Creators Update

#1
DeathtoGnomes
its just another gimmick by m$ meant to track you. No surprise m$ dropped the ball here. I mean its not like that actually thoroughly test everything they put out, if they did there would a lot less complaints and bashing. :shadedshu::nutkick:
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#2
trparky
Well, at least they found it and acknowledged it. Yeah, it was stupid for them to take this long to acknowledge it but better late than never.
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#3
Steevo
I honestly keep debating if Win10 is worth the tracking and bullshit, Win 7 has more user flexibility, WMC which works reliably, and the same performance without the BS apps forced on you unless you want to break other things.
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#4
dorsetknob
"YOUR RMA REQUEST IS CON-REFUSED"
Read the piece and looked at that pic and saw
fail Creators Update :) had to look harder just in case i misread
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#5
RejZoR
This could explain why I'm not all that amazed by the GTX 1080Ti performance. It just doesn't feel good. And quite frankly it didn't on GTX 980 either. Just didn't pay attention that it might be Windows at fault...
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#6
Cybrnook2002
DeathtoGnomes said:
its just another gimmick by m$ meant to track you. No surprise m$ dropped the ball here. I mean its not like that actually thoroughly test everything they put out, if they did there would a lot less complaints and bashing. :shadedshu::nutkick:
And to get "fixes" for the issues that have been introduced, you have no choice but to go further down the rabbits hole in these "creators" updates, and everything else they bring along with them.....

Have fallen back to win 7 few months ago, and no complaints. Especially when my 1080ti decided after the creators update, that it could not hold 100hz in Rocket League anymore. That game can run on a Potato......
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#7
chief-gunney
yeah, I run Win 10 and Win 7 dual boot on separate ssd's. and to be honest I get better performance in gaming benchmarks and higher fps in Win 7. I prefer Win 10 though just for the look of it(subjective) and never upgraded from the 1607 Anniversary build nor have been offered it through Windows update.
having seen all the issues with the 'Creators' update on the BF1 forums I never had any intention of using it thankfully.
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#8
Assimilator
"vaulted"? Seriously? It's vaunted. With an n.
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#9
R-T-B
Assimilator said:
"vaulted"? Seriously? It's vaunted. With an n.
Keep in mind he's one of our many non-native english editors. That said, I'm sure pointers like that are appreciated.

Be thankful he doesn't "go native" on you. :P
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#10
DeathtoGnomes
Cybrnook2002 said:
And to get "fixes" for the issues that have been introduced, you have no choice but to go further down the rabbits hole in these "creators" updates, and everything else they bring along with them.....

Have fallen back to win 7 few months ago, and no complaints. Especially when my 1080ti decided after the creators update, that it could not hold 100hz in Rocket League anymore. That game can run on a Potato......
and after that you have to wait to get the fixes tofix those fixes that fixed these fixed, supposedly. its really never ending with m$ but they have to produce something for overpaying them for a pile of half working junk.
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#11
Cybrnook2002
DeathtoGnomes said:
and after that you have to wait to get the fixes tofix those fixes that fixed these fixed, supposedly. its really never ending with m$ but they have to produce something for overpaying them for a pile of half working junk.
And in the meantime you realize you have entered into the full subscription model that Windows 10 is based around. Because you better bet that the pop ups, ads, onedrive, office tools are all going to be working as intended to get you to sign up :-).
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#12
Solaris17
Creator Solaris Utility DVD
People actually enabled this?
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#13
Easo
The idea is good, but the implementation has a long way to go.

DeathtoGnomes said:
its just another gimmick by m$ meant to track you. No surprise m$ dropped the ball here. I mean its not like that actually thoroughly test everything they put out, if they did there would a lot less complaints and bashing. :shadedshu::nutkick:
What exactly this has to do with tracking? Exactly what?
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#14
R-T-B
Easo said:
What exactly this has to do with tracking? Exactly what?
Nothing. It's comments like that that give us people with a legit beef about the telemetry model (like myself) a bad name.

Sadly, the "tracking" thing has pretty much reached buzzword status.

I do agree with the rest of his comment though, it seems the tracking components get q&a out the wazoo, while "normal" desktop functions are left high and dry.
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#15
Manu_PT
Steevo said:
I honestly keep debating if Win10 is worth the tracking and bullshit, Win 7 has more user flexibility, WMC which works reliably, and the same performance without the BS apps forced on you unless you want to break other things.
It isnt worth it. For you to get same performance as win7 gaming you need a lot of tweaking on win10. Bs os for gaming. You fix all your problems by using windows 7. You lose dx12 but I dont care. Win10 is not a good os, ppl got brainwashed because it was free to upgrade
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#16
R-T-B
Manu_PT said:
It isnt worth it. For you to get same performance as win7 gaming you need a lot of tweaking on win10. Bs os for gaming. You fix all your problems by using windows 7. You lose dx12 but I dont care. Win10 is not a good os, ppl got brainwashed because it was free to upgrade
Windows 7 is also a dated os.

I mean 8/8.1 outperformed it in gaming...
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#17
StrayKAT
I can't even use my 7700k on Win 7 anyways. And 8's more tablet centric approach was atrocious.

But when you say you don't care about dx12, I question just how commited to gaming a person can be. You'll need it sooner or later.

I think it took the best of both 7 and 8, personally. And they'll fix this current issue soon enough.
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#18
Basard
I love how MS makes us all feel warm and fuzzy inside, calling us "creators" and all that.
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#19
StrayKAT
Basard said:
I love how MS makes us all feel warm and fuzzy inside, calling us "creators" and all that.
I think it's just that they're actually trying to entice real creators :P I mean, they're also marketing surface (especially the big wacom looking one) for creators. Especially as Apple becomes more irrelevant in that space (stupid!) in favor of phones.
The bulk of the Spring (and now Fall) updates are just cumulative updates like we're always used to though.
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#20
Manu_PT
R-T-B said:
Windows 7 is also a dated os.

I mean 8/8.1 outperformed it in gaming...
Dated? 8.1 has good performance yes, but has awful mouse accel built in and you need a start menu fix, and all of them use resources and internet connections, wich sucks.

Also 8.1 doesnt "outperform" win 7 in gaming, at best it is as good. Windows 7 with windows classic theme is still the fastest on any task/benchmark.
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#21
Manu_PT
StrayKAT said:
I can't even use my 7700k on Win 7 anyways. And 8's more tablet centric approach was atrocious.

But when you say you don't care about dx12, I question just how commited to gaming a person can be. You'll need it sooner or later.

I think it took the best of both 7 and 8, personally. And they'll fix this current issue soon enough.
You can use 7700k on windows 7 ofc... You dont need DX12 for anything apart from MS exclusives. DX12 is not big as previous DX were. Always support for either DX11 or vulkan.
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#22
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
R-T-B said:
I mean 8/8.1 outperformed it in gaming...
Yes it did, and does, and yet that is no longer an option for AMD users.
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#23
StrayKAT
Manu_PT said:
You can use 7700k on windows 7 ofc... You dont need DX12 for anything apart from MS exclusives. DX12 is not big as previous DX were. Always support for either DX11 or vulkan.
Last I tried I couldn't....

I guess I'm happy enough to just move on to 10 to even look into it further. The only reason I needed it was Skyrim's vram/enb issues... and even that is being fixed.

I haven't really needed dx12 either tbh, but now with Forza 7, I will.
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#24
R-T-B
Manu_PT said:
Also 8.1 doesnt "outperform" win 7 in gaming, at best it is as good. Windows 7 with windows classic theme is still the fastest on any task/benchmark.
No, it's actually faster. You are somewhat crippling yourself with a dated WDDM model.

Mind you, you're not missing much. At best the difference is 5%, usually much lower.
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#25
wtfbbqlol
When I tried the Creator's update by accident last month (somehow my defer feature update option expired then), I ran some benchmark numbers to compare to my usual Anniversary Update numbers.

Windows 10 Anniversary Update 1607
- SuperPi 32M: 7 minutes 03 seconds +/- 1 second
- 3Dmark Time Spy: 9900 +/- 50 points

Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
- SuperPi 32M: 7 minutes 20 seconds +/- 1 second
- 3Dmark Time Spy: 9800 +/- 50 points

3Dmark dropped only slightly, which I'm not worried about, but the single-threaded SuperPi 32M numbers dropped about 4% which got me annoyed. That's like taking 200+MHz off my CPU clocks (I run my 5960x at 4.5GHz constant). I spent a few hours checking things in the task manager but didn't see anything obvious that was chewing up performance. Did stuff like disable Cortana (which seems a lot more pervasive in the Creator's Update), manually setting core affinity for SuperPi but no help. So I rolled back to the Anniversary Update and performance is restored. I mentioned this performance hit when the windows update survey asked why I'm rolling back. I hope Microsoft figured out what is going on and fixes it.
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