Sunday, November 26th 2017

Intel Extends the Core i9 Brand to the Mobile Platform

Intel created the Core i9 brand to differentiate two key groups of Core X series HEDT (high-end desktop) processors, with the Core i7 X-series parts featuring 28-lane or 16-lane PCIe interfaces, while the Core i9 X-series parts featuring the full 44-lane interfaces present on the "Skylake-X" silicon. The Core i9 brand also earned a degree of exclusivity as it allows Intel to ask upwards of $999 for these client-segment parts, with the top-end i9-7980XE scraping the $2,000-mark. Intel sees the potential for a similar segmentation for its mobile processor lineup, even if not on grounds of PCIe lane budget or core-counts.

The Core i9 mobile processor family could bring the highest-levels of 6-core "Coffee Lake" desktop processor performance to the notebook platform. Intel is giving final touches to the Core i9-8000 series "Coffee Lake-H" processor lineup, which could feature the full 6-core/12-thread configuration of the "Coffee Lake" silicon, alongside 12 MB L3 cache. The first SKU in the lineup could be the Core i9-8950HK, sniffed out from the change-log of the latest FinalWire AIDA64. These chips could enable large (>17-inch) gaming notebooks with one or more high-end graphics cards, the latest advancements in cooling, 4K UHD or curved displays, etc.

Source: AIDA64 change-log
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26 Comments on Intel Extends the Core i9 Brand to the Mobile Platform

#1
Hugh Mungus
Ok, that's pretty cool!

Requirements:
-1070/1080 (sli)
-laptop must weigh at least 4kg
-16GB+ RAM
-SSD must be main storage.
-price must start at same price or less than equivelant 8700k notebooks since these won't be laptops with great portability or battery life anyway, unless you don't mind the premium for diffferent styling and badge.

Hopefully these overclock well and stay cool! Repasting voids your entire warranty often, unlike with clevo barebones.
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#2
SkullFox
Money grabbing at its best!!

First the whole i9 line is just money grab. the HEDT i7 should have all lanes activated. HOW MANY TIERS do we actually need??

entry level - i3
main stream - i5
high performance - i7
enthusiast - HEDT
and
??enthusiastest?? - HEDT with more stuff that the others should already have activated!!


i9 in a laptop is just moronic!!
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#3
repman244
SkullFox said:
Money grabbing at its best!!

First the whole i9 line is just money grab. the HEDT i7 should have all lanes activated. HOW MANY TIERS do we actually need??

entry level - i3
main stream - i5
high performance - i7
enthusiast - HEDT
and
??enthusiastest?? - HEDT with more stuff that the others should already have activated!!


i9 in a laptop is just moronic!!
It's not moronic, it's about time we get 6 core mobile CPUs at 45W TDP and these will sell especially in mobile workstations (the best you can get now is a Xeon 4 core with high clocks but it's still a 4 core).

I don't care what they call it as long as the price is right.
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#4
SkullFox
repman244 said:
It's not moronic, it's about time we get 6 core mobile CPUs at 45W TDP and these will sell especially in mobile workstations (the best you can get now is a Xeon 4 core with high clocks but it's still a 4 core).

I don't care what they call it as long as the price is right.
but that is the problem, no? the other lines should have already been upgraded, because they were not, they ask for more cash for stuff we should already have on the lower tiers....

2k for a non server CPU is moronic!
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#5
SkullFox
AMD
The Whole Lineup of AMD CPUs is 18 models.
This covers 4, 6, 8, 12, 16 cores.

Entry level to performance have 24 PCIe lanes.

Entry level has 4 cores
Mid has 4 and 6 cores
Performance has 8 cores

Entry level 4 cores at 100USD

All HEDT CPUs have 64 Lanes of PCIe and quad Channel Memory.



INTEL
The whole lineup of Intel CPUs is 27 models.
This covers 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18 cores.

Entry Level to Performance have 16 PCIe Lanes.

Entry Level has 2 cores.
Mid has 4 cores.
Performance has 4 cores.

Entry Level 2 cores at 115USD.

9 models of HEDT CPUs:
- 2 have dual channel memory.
- 7 have quad channel memory.
- 2 have 16 PCIe lanes.
- 2 have 28 PCIe lanes.
- 5 has 44 PCIe lanes.


HOW is the intel Lineup not moronic??
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#6
trog100
current performance is all about power which is directly related to cooling.. none of this matches up overly well with a bloody laptop which also has to take battery run times into account..

still.. it all sounds good even if it aint.. :)

for the average joe moar cores always has been a con and it still is..

trog
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#7
R0H1T
I wonder if any of the i9 will ever have Radeon™ inside?
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#8
Capitan Harlock
A friend of mine with a project for is University got from an Italian Company called Santech a laptop with i7 8700k , when on a laptop you have a 6 core /12 thread and a gtx 1070 for around 3000€ why you would ever need a 2000k non xeon cpu?
Is Idiotic Intel stop it NOW!
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#9
theoneandonlymrk
Hugh Mungus said:
Ok, that's pretty cool!

Requirements:
-1070/1080 (sli)
-laptop must weigh at least 4kg
-16GB+ RAM
-SSD must be main storage.
-price must start at same price or less than equivelant 8700k notebooks since these won't be laptops with great portability or battery life anyway, unless you don't mind the premium for diffferent styling and badge.

Hopefully these overclock well and stay cool! Repasting voids your entire warranty often, unlike with clevo barebones.
I agree but very optimistic, im expecting quite the premium price on anything with this in it.

But it is progress at last so that's something.

At least oems and suppliers are trying to make progressive attractive products again instead of sameish tat.
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#10
TheLostSwede
SkullFox said:
AMD
The Whole Lineup of AMD CPUs is 18 models.
This covers 4, 6, 8, 12, 16 cores.

Entry level to performance have 24 PCIe lanes.

Entry level has 4 cores
Mid has 4 and 6 cores
Performance has 8 cores

Entry level 4 cores at 100USD

All HEDT CPUs have 64 Lanes of PCIe and quad Channel Memory.



INTEL
The whole lineup of Intel CPUs is 27 models.
This covers 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18 cores.

Entry Level to Performance have 16 PCIe Lanes.

Entry Level has 2 cores.
Mid has 4 cores.
Performance has 4 cores.

Entry Level 2 cores at 115USD.

9 models of HEDT CPUs:
- 2 have dual channel memory.
- 7 have quad channel memory.
- 2 have 16 PCIe lanes.
- 2 have 28 PCIe lanes.
- 5 has 44 PCIe lanes.


HOW is the intel Lineup not moronic??
I think you forgot quite a few Intel processors, as you don't seem to have any Pentium or Celeron models in that 27 count, nor any of the T or P models...

Also, it's much, much worse on the mobile side...

I suggest you count again using this list, although right now it seems to be a bit hard to count, as Intel has some wide discrepancies between the 6, 7 and 8-series in terms of available SKUs - https://s21.q4cdn.com/600692695/files/doc_downloads/cpu_price/2017/Oct_15_17_Recommended_Customer_Price_List.pdf

Also, Intel's cheapest dual core has a list price of $42.
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#11
Hood
SkullFox said:
HOW is the intel Lineup not moronic??
It's very intelligently thought out, with each SKU having a specific place and purpose that makes perfect sense to those who can see the "big picture" and understand that not everything has to fit their specific narrow viewpoint. This is Intel's gift, that they strive to cover all bases and fit customer's needs more precisely. If that costs more, that's because excellence is never cheap. If Intel's recent CPU lineup confuses you, perhaps PC hardware is not your strong point, and you should just enjoy your nice Z87 system, as I enjoy my Z97. Things are changing, and that's a good thing, not something to be upset about. Would you want them to take the cheap way, and be like Ryzen/Threadripper, where every SKU is off the same die, binned failures making up the lower chips? You should thank Intel for being there for those who really care about performance, not bitching about naming schemes.
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#12
theoneandonlymrk
Hood said:
It's very intelligently thought out, with each SKU having a specific place and purpose that makes perfect sense to those who can see the "big picture" and understand that not everything has to fit their specific narrow viewpoint. This is Intel's gift, that they strive to cover all bases and fit customer's needs more precisely. If that costs more, that's because excellence is never cheap. If Intel's recent CPU lineup confuses you, perhaps PC hardware is not your strong point, and you should just enjoy your nice Z87 system, as I enjoy my Z97. Things are changing, and that's a good thing, not something to be upset about. Would you want them to take the cheap way, and be like Ryzen/Threadripper, where every SKU is off the same die, binned failures making up the lower chips? You should thank Intel for being there for those who really care about performance, not bitching about naming schemes.
I should thank intel for selling a wide variety of new and old tech wrapped around the 8th gen moniker with a vast array of types , chipset compatibilities and differing socket types to comprehend with not all even allowing all their allowed features if the wrong pairings are made, a circumstance that intel feels is ok.

I as an engineer dissagree with that being thankworthy.

This is a good chip and some will love getting hold of it no doubt but let's not blow too much smoke up Intel's ass ,they could also have done this sooner.
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#13
repman244
Capitan Harlock said:
A friend of mine with a project for is University got from an Italian Company called Santech a laptop with i7 8700k , when on a laptop you have a 6 core /12 thread and a gtx 1070 for around 3000€ why you would ever need a 2000k non xeon cpu?
Is Idiotic Intel stop it NOW!
Because that CPU and it's chipset are not mobile, you won't see DELL/HP/Lenovo with such designs.

Not long ago I upgraded my laptop CPU from a dual to a quad - if there was an option of a 6 core I would do it.
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#14
Chaitanya
SkullFox said:
AMD
The Whole Lineup of AMD CPUs is 18 models.
This covers 4, 6, 8, 12, 16 cores.

Entry level to performance have 24 PCIe lanes.

Entry level has 4 cores
Mid has 4 and 6 cores
Performance has 8 cores

Entry level 4 cores at 100USD

All HEDT CPUs have 64 Lanes of PCIe and quad Channel Memory.



INTEL
The whole lineup of Intel CPUs is 27 models.
This covers 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18 cores.

Entry Level to Performance have 16 PCIe Lanes.

Entry Level has 2 cores.
Mid has 4 cores.
Performance has 4 cores.

Entry Level 2 cores at 115USD.

9 models of HEDT CPUs:
- 2 have dual channel memory.
- 7 have quad channel memory.
- 2 have 16 PCIe lanes.
- 2 have 28 PCIe lanes.
- 5 has 44 PCIe lanes.


HOW is the intel Lineup not moronic??
Also entire AMD lineup(entry level consumer all the way upto enterprise) is on same architecture and is made using same MCMs. which means its cheaper and more easier for AMD to scale core counts.
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#15
dicktracy
Why are AMD fans usually the one that yells and complains like those Antifa members? Stick to Reddit man or protest outside of Intel office.
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#16
TheLostSwede
dicktracy said:
Why are AMD fans usually the one that yells and complains like those Antifa members? Stick to Reddit man or protest outside of Intel office.
Huh?

You don't think Intel's product line is starting to get a little bit confusing by now?
I think even AMD have too many models.
Do we really need a bunch of CPUs with 100MHz difference in clock speed?
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#17
Vya Domus
TheLostSwede said:
Huh?

You don't think Intel's product line is starting to get a little bit confusing by now?
I think even AMD have too many models.
Do we really need a bunch of CPUs with 100MHz difference in clock speed?
Their mobile lineup is so convoluted it's truly staggering. I just had someone ask me to chose a laptop for them and I just realized that for someone that isn't very tech savvy it's basically impossible to know for sure what they are buying.

I do believe they are doing it intentionally to a degree . For example so that they can sell dual cores with both the i3 and i5 badge even though there is absolutely no tangible different between some of them.
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#18
the54thvoid
dicktracy said:
Why are AMD fans usually the one that yells and complains like those Antifa members? Stick to Reddit man or protest outside of Intel office.
And why do white supremacists hate Antifa so much.... I'm all for butchering nazis.

Anyhoo. Intel...meh. Make the better processors.. yes. But not so much that the cost is so high.
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#19
Manu_PT
So much non sense on this topic that I dont even know where to start.

- First of all there is an i7 7820hk 65w tdp chip on many laptop models that dont weigh 4kg at all (check msi gt and gigabye aorus models).

- second, contrary to what fanboys say, coffee lake arent just skylake/kabylake with 2 more cores, they are an improvement (yes small, but is there). Kaby allowed higher clocks at same power, coffee allows more cores at the same clocks and same TDP.

- with that in mind, yes you will see these i9 hk on 2,7kg-3kg laptops, easily.

Simple fact you are comparing these HK chips to the clevo models with desktop i7 8700k is dumb enough. Do you even realize that those clevo models are just "brute forcing" electronics that were designed for a desktop environment (power delivery, airflow). And thats why unless you delid them and use beefy barebones, they will throttle for days. You end up uaing them at lower clocks and applying umdervolts, so at the end of the day you have same thing as a HK chip.

i9 HK is a cpu specifically designed for mobile parts, not brute forcing anything. I would never consider those clevo/sager with desktop parts. Makes no sense.

As for the naming, I dont see anything wrong with calling i9 to an unlocked mobile 6 core chip. Funny that no one complained when Intel still called i7 to their 6 core cpus (WHEN quad cores were i7s aswell)

TpU is too similar to reddit now, sadly. Loads of uninformed fanboys spreading misinformation.
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#20
Melvis
So its really an i7 not a i9 then, to low a core count to be classed as a i9
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#21
yotano211
Manu_PT said:
So much non sense on this topic that I dont even know where to start.

- First of all there is an i7 7820hk 65w tdp chip on many laptop models that dont weigh 4kg at all (check msi gt and gigabye aorus models).

- second, contrary to what fanboys say, coffee lake arent just skylake/kabylake with 2 more cores, they are an improvement (yes small, but is there). Kaby allowed higher clocks at same power, coffee allows more cores at the same clocks and same TDP.

- with that in mind, yes you will see these i9 hk on 2,7kg-3kg laptops, easily.

Simple fact you are comparing these HK chips to the clevo models with desktop i7 8700k is dumb enough. Do you even realize that those clevo models are just "brute forcing" electronics that were designed for a desktop environment (power delivery, airflow). And thats why unless you delid them and use beefy barebones, they will throttle for days. You end up uaing them at lower clocks and applying umdervolts, so at the end of the day you have same thing as a HK chip.

i9 HK is a cpu specifically designed for mobile parts, not brute forcing anything. I would never consider those clevo/sager with desktop parts. Makes no sense.

As for the naming, I dont see anything wrong with calling i9 to an unlocked mobile 6 core chip. Funny that no one complained when Intel still called i7 to their 6 core cpus (WHEN quad cores were i7s aswell)

TpU is too similar to reddit now, sadly. Loads of uninformed fanboys spreading misinformation.
I will tell you how these desktop processor in a laptop how will it throttle without delidding. I have one of those laptops models with a i7 7700k. I had to delid my cpu, if not it will reach mid 90C's while gaming running at stock speeds.
I now enjoy running at 4.7ghz at 100% running at high 80C's, I stay at 4.6ghz 98% of the time.

I only bought this model laptop because of the price, the price of the desktop cpu was cheaper than a HK processor, I think the price was around $350 cheaper with the 7700k. I dont need long battery life and I wasnt concerned about weight. I wanted a fast processor at the cheapest price possible.
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#22
Vayra86
Hood said:
It's very intelligently thought out, with each SKU having a specific place and purpose that makes perfect sense to those who can see the "big picture" and understand that not everything has to fit their specific narrow viewpoint. This is Intel's gift, that they strive to cover all bases and fit customer's needs more precisely. If that costs more, that's because excellence is never cheap. If Intel's recent CPU lineup confuses you, perhaps PC hardware is not your strong point, and you should just enjoy your nice Z87 system, as I enjoy my Z97. Things are changing, and that's a good thing, not something to be upset about. Would you want them to take the cheap way, and be like Ryzen/Threadripper, where every SKU is off the same die, binned failures making up the lower chips? You should thank Intel for being there for those who really care about performance, not bitching about naming schemes.
Blind or utterly oblivious, not sure what. Or was this some condescending form of sarcasm? Intel cares so much about performance they equip the entire range - for all their differentiation, lol - with toothpaste. That's fine for 85% of the line up, but not for the top end. You really need some strong rose tinted glasses to explain this along the lines of your post- let alone the price or 'progress' arguments.
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#23
StrayKAT
the54thvoid said:
And why do white supremacists hate Antifa so much.... I'm all for butchering nazis.

Anyhoo. Intel...meh. Make the better processors.. yes. But not so much that the cost is so high.
Because Nazis barely exist.. and this crap is overblown, because the whole "safe space" culture and "microaggressions" make people guilty of crimes against humanity. Suddenly people see Nazis everywhere. That's why people hate Antifa. Because they're no better than little kids who see monsters under the bed and chase bogeymen. Couple that with mob mentality and you got danger... but not from Nazis.

And I'm an Asian who grew up in the South US AND have fought off and/or been chased by the few skinheads I've actually seen... complete with a Jewish girl by my side. lol. I know what real racism is, and I'm still not miserable and think the world is racist. Life is pretty good for the most part. I hate when people who can't see that and just wallow in pain...especially the psychological and imaginary kind.

/rant off

Anyways, even though I stick with Intel, I'll be the first to say their lineup is confusing.
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#24
Hood
Vayra86 said:
Blind or utterly oblivious, not sure what. Or was this some condescending form of sarcasm? Intel cares so much about performance they equip the entire range - for all their differentiation, lol - with toothpaste. That's fine for 85% of the line up, but not for the top end. You really need some strong rose tinted glasses to explain this along the lines of your post- let alone the price or 'progress' arguments.
You are amazing, the way you understand the entire hardware market so much better than the people who make the world's fastest CPUs, for one of the world's most profitable corporations. Why haven't they hired you yet? Perhaps they just haven't heard about you yet - put that "toothpaste" argument on your job application and they'll probably start you as CEO, because you're so clever! That rosy enough for you?
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#25
TheinsanegamerN
Hood said:
It's very intelligently thought out, with each SKU having a specific place and purpose that makes perfect sense to those who can see the "big picture" and understand that not everything has to fit their specific narrow viewpoint. This is Intel's gift, that they strive to cover all bases and fit customer's needs more precisely. If that costs more, that's because excellence is never cheap. If Intel's recent CPU lineup confuses you, perhaps PC hardware is not your strong point, and you should just enjoy your nice Z87 system, as I enjoy my Z97. Things are changing, and that's a good thing, not something to be upset about. Would you want them to take the cheap way, and be like Ryzen/Threadripper, where every SKU is off the same die, binned failures making up the lower chips? You should thank Intel for being there for those who really care about performance, not bitching about naming schemes.
Hey, what do you think makes up the non hyperthreaded i5, some i3s, the non full fledged HDET chips, ece? Binned i7s/i9s with faulty cache and cores. Your 'gift' seems to be just as cheap as AMD's parts.

Every chip company uses binned failures for lower end chips. Intel has been doing it for 15 years. Any financially responsible chip company does that. Also, others will point out that the AMD method allows them to cut costs, while reigning in high profits from cheaper chips while intel soils their pants trying to compete with the high core counts for a low price. Creating a bunch of different chips doesnt mean your parts are any higher quality. Making a product line confusing doesnt make it good, and too often it is instead used as a diversion tactic, to cover up cheap cost cutting or gimping of features, as intel has done with PCIE and memory lanes.

You want to shill for intel and talk about how their business practices are a 'gift', just put "shill inside" under your username.
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