Monday, January 22nd 2018

AMD Reveals Specs of Ryzen 2000G "Raven Ridge" APUs

AMD today revealed specifications of its first desktop socket AM4 APUs based on the "Zen" CPU micro-architecture, the Ryzen 2000G "Raven Ridge" series. The chips combine a quad-core "Zen" CPU with an integrated graphics core based on the "Vega" graphics architecture, with up to 11 NGCUs, amounting to 704 stream processors. The company is initially launching two SKUs, the Ryzen 3 2200G, and the Ryzen 5 2400G. Besides clock speeds, the two are differentiated with the Ryzen 5 featuring CPU SMT, and more iGPU stream processsors. The Ryzen 5 2400G is priced at USD $169, while the Ryzen 3 2200G goes for $99. Both parts will be available on the 12th of February, 2018.

The Ryzen 5 2400 features an 4-core/8-thread CPU clocked at 3.60 GHz, with a boost frequency of 3.90 GHz; 2 MB of L2 cache (512 KB per core), and 4 MB of shared L3 cache; and Radeon Vega 11 graphics (with the 11 denoting NGCU count), featuring 704 stream processors. The iGPU engine clock is set at 1250 MHz. The dual-channel DDR4 integrated memory controller supports up to 64 GB of dual-channel DDR4-2933 MHz memory. The Ryzen 3 2200G is a slightly cut down part. Lacking SMT, its 4-core/4-thread CPU ticks at 3.50 GHz, with 3.70 GHz boost. Its CPU cache hierarchy is unchanged; the iGPU features only 8 out of 11 NGCUs, which translate to 512 stream processors. The iGPU engine clock is set at 1100 MHz. Both parts feature unlocked CPU base-clock multipliers; and have their TDP rated at 65W, and include AMD Wraith Stealth cooling solutions.
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97 Comments on AMD Reveals Specs of Ryzen 2000G "Raven Ridge" APUs

#51
lexluthermiester
"Patriot said:
There is no utility it requires hardware.
Thank You for proving the point made above..
"Patriot said:
It's a pain in the ass because you have to use an external capture card to do the frame pacing... and most games are frame capped anyways...
It pretty much is just measuring how often they drop below the cap.
And again..
"Patriot said:

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Those are not benchmarks, they are screen capture comparisons.
"Patriot said:
Now you can apologize since you couldn't even see fit to use a damn search engine before attacking the first time.:kookoo:
Another assumption... Try the following; https://www.google.com/search?as_q=xbox+vs+ps4+benchmarks&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights=

You were saying?
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#52
TheinsanegamerN
"plåtburken said:
Because it's underwhelming for what most have waited for plus I never stated nor believe we will get RX480 power in a such factor. However I will state as mentioned before. The iGPU is underwhelming and it's not something to debate about it, it's pure facts. The CPU is good and will make the market a bit more competitive.
Also last thing, I don't expect these laptops to perform anything godly, that's not their purpose.
As for the desktop APU, I can't say anything but I hope it won't be as bad as the laptop APUs since they didn't show anything special.
That is an OPINION, good sir, unless you can scientifically prove that raven ridge is underwhelming. Please, conduct those experiments and submit them to peer-reviewed sources, I'll wait.

You go on and on about how underwhelming the iGPU is, but cant state why. The new G series is much more powerful then the outgoing kaveri based models on desktop, and show massive performance jumps on laptops. The only way this could be underwhelming is if you were expecting way more. As someone who has used APUs in the past, these raven ridge parts look fantastic, and represent a large jump in performance for integrated graphics, setting the bar much higher and making cards like the 1030 and 1050 increasingly irrelevant. How you can call something like this, for a low price underwhelming is a mystery to me.

Please, do explain what about this is underwhelming. the iGPU is underwhelming? Why? What about it is not living up to expectations?
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#53
Patriot
"lexluthermiester said:
Thank You for proving the point made above..

And again..

Those are not benchmarks, they are screen capture comparisons.

Another assumption... Try the following; https://www.google.com/search?as_q=xbox+vs+ps4+benchmarks&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights=

You were saying?
I guess you don't keep up with the times... that is how modern benchmarking is done... with external frame rating tools... I gave you literal in game frame rate analysis and you want synthetics? lol. kthxbye.
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#54
cadaveca
My name is Dave
"IceShroom said:
Sad part though there are no 2666 MHz JEDEC kit let alone 2933 MHz one.
You need to pay more attentino to our reviews. I covered a kit some time ago that is 2666 JEDEC-spec, right here:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AData/XPG_SPECTRIX_D40/

it boots @ 2666 MHz without any user intervention. The XMP profile offered then tightens the timings. There are also kits with 2666 MHz JEDEC profile in SO-DIMMs, and brands like G.Skill will have kits soon (I have spoken to all brands I deal with regularily and have asked for such. G.Skill said they would release new line-up with 2666 MHz default profile).
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#55
Valantar
"Patriot said:
No shit... I clearly quoted the specs for the xbox one x. You should also use the S specs not the original anyways.... That said history tells us (and we have console benchmarks now) due to console optimizations you can't just equal a console on paper to beat it. I will be surprised if the apu has a solid 1250 clock and that isn't the up-to number. That along with optimizations is the main reason why I don't think this will outperform the original, let alone the ps4/pro which have proper memory bandwidth from the start.
Yes, but you also replied to a post stating that it could be
"Captain_Tom said:
comparable to a console
(my emphasis)

The Xbox One X is not "a console", but the most powerful console out there by far. Which is why your reply is rather silly - you're essentially either saying "It won't match the One X, so it won't match a console", or you're replying to something that was never said.

Also, sure, let's use One S specs: 914MHz it is. Still 350MHz ahead, or ~37% faster. GPU clock performance scaling is usually rather linear, outside of cases where something in the architecture is bottlenecking it. No, we don't know if it will hold those clocks, but given that the actual clock speed is in an area where we know Vega is rather efficient, as opposed to the balls-to-the-wall clocked 56 and 64 cards, chances that the APUs will throttle significantly are rather low. Of course, power scaling and how the APU shares power between the CPU and iGPU are unknowns at this point, but given the 65W TDP and unlocked nature of the chip, I'm not worried about power throttling at stock clocks. And sure, console optimizations matter a lot. Most PC games don't have the option for variable resolution scaling or checkerboard rendering either, so coupled with dedicated optimizations for specific hardware, you'll always be able to squeeze more of the performance potential out of a console. That's a given. The thing is, the Xbox One (S) was significantly bottlenecked by its RAM, which these APUs will rectify for anyone willing to "splurge" on >3000MT/s DDR4. Sure, RAM prices are ridiculous right now, but that's true no matter the speed.

Tl;dr: there are several concrete and well-known reasons why this might outperform the Xbox One, although of course that will depend on a whole host of factors.
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#56
lexluthermiester
"Patriot said:
I guess you don't keep up with the times... that is how modern benchmarking is done... with external frame rating tools... I gave you literal in game frame rate analysis and you want synthetics? lol. kthxbye.
Um, no, it isn't. Modern benchmarking is done with software that actually calculates frame rates, instructions per second and various system resource loads. Synthetic or not, they are actual number crunching statistical tests which can show real world performance numbers. External frame capture & counting only shows frames being rendered to the display and does nothing to demonstrate the actual level of processing that is taking place in the hardware. Your conclusions are as vapid as they are ignorant to reality.
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#57
Patriot
"lexluthermiester said:
Um, no, it isn't. Modern benchmarking is done with software that actually calculates frame rates, instructions per second and various system resource loads. Synthetic or not, they are actual number crunching statistical tests which can show real world performance numbers. External frame capture & counting only shows frames being rendered to the display and does nothing to demonstrate the actual level of processing that is taking place in the hardware. Your conclusions are as vapid as they are ignorant to reality.
I see, you only care about the low level not the actual end user performance, got it... carry on... :kookoo:
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#58
lexluthermiester
"Patriot said:
I see, you only care about the low level not the actual end user performance, got it... carry on... :kookoo:
Show some real-world, calculation based performance numbers and your perspective can be considered. Without such, you have no valid, fact based argument. The phrase " Put up or shut up " comes to mind...
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#59
hyp36rmax
"bug said:
Idk, Intel managed to fit HBM in there somehow.
You could argue using HBM would place this in the wrong price category, that would make a little more sense ;)
But those have a totally custom socket.
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#60
Patriot
"lexluthermiester said:
Show some real-world, calculation based performance numbers and your perspective can be considered. Without such, you have no valid, fact based argument. The phrase " Put up or shut up " comes to mind...
you measured the shadow of a tree and calculated the height, I climbed the tree and measured the height... yet you won't accept the answer...
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#61
lexluthermiester
"hyp36rmax said:
But those have a totally custom socket.
That image shows AM4, which is the same socket as all of the Ryzen CPU's. What's custom about that?
EDIT; At the time your comment was shown, the quote was not being shown with it. It seemed like you were responding to the original article. Corrected

"Patriot said:
you measured the shadow of a tree and calculated the height, I climbed the tree and measured the height... yet you won't accept the answer...
"lexluthermiester said:
The phrase " Put up or shut up " comes to mind...
Yup.. Waiting..
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#63
hyp36rmax
"lexluthermiester said:

That image shows AM4, which is the same socket as all of the Ryzen CPU's. What's custom about that?



Yup.. Waiting..
Pay attention! He was referring to the Intel VEGA CPU
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#64
lexluthermiester
"Patriot said:
They were talking about Kaby-G if you cared to read the thread.
When I quoted him, his quote wasn't showing. Glitch in the forum. Deleted.
"Patriot said:
I put up, you won't shutup.
You have not shown any statistical based benchmark information. Frame counting and comparision is not a valid benchmark. It is only an analysis of frame output to a display.
"Patriot said:
but here, have some more... https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Console-Frame-Rating-Measuring-performance-new-Xbox-One-X
Same situation. It's interesting certainly, but that method is not a valid measure of actual hardware performance which can be compared to other hardware. Therefore, not valid benchmark.
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#65
Patriot
"lexluthermiester said:
When I quoted him, his quote wasn't showing. Glitch in the forum. Deleted.

You have not shown any statistical based benchmark information. Frame counting and comparision is not a valid benchmark. It is only an analysis of frame output to a display.

Same situation. It's interesting certainly, but that method is not a valid measure of actual hardware performance which can be compared to other hardware. Therefore, not valid benchmark.
It is literally a real world measure of hardware performance. but it proves you wrong and therefore is invalid...
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#66
lexluthermiester
"Patriot said:
It is literally a real world measure of hardware performance. but it proves you wrong and therefore is invalid...
No, it's a measure of frame-output from the system to the display. It is glorified screen capturing, nothing more. I've thoroughly enjoyed your excursion into fantasy-land and pretend play time. But until you can show us all a legitimately measurable statistic, even just one, that we can use to compare the Xbox to these new APU's, it is only that, a fantasy.
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#67
Patriot
"lexluthermiester said:
No, it's a measure of frame-output from the system to the display. It is glorified screen capturing, nothing more. I've thoroughly enjoyed your excursion into fantasy-land and pretend play time. But until you can show us all a legitimately measurable statistic, even just one, that we can use to compare the Xbox to these new APU's, it is only that, a fantasy.
you keep using these words... legitimate, measurable, statistic ... but you have proven to not know what a single one of them mean. It is useless to further argue with facts as you discount them all.
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#68
Kursah
I'd suggest you both stop at this point. Only warning.

Act like adults, disagree like adults, have a conversation and debate like adults, really just simply follow the guidelines we have or GTFO. :toast:
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#70
lexluthermiester
"slehmann said:
Will ECC Ram be supported?
That's a good question, doesn't seem likely though.
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#71
nem..
"plåtburken said:
This doesn't look impressive at all, it looks very underwhelming.

Yeah that part does sound amazing.
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#72
Xuper
lol , some people really does have karma, they're disappointed because It's not like Vega56 at 15W ! :rolleyes: , for god sake , It's APU , don't expect too much.2 is 2 , 2 Is NOT 4 , Also those APUs (Ryzen Cores) are much better than old APU with bulldozer Cores.
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#73
Patriot
"slehmann said:
Will ECC Ram be supported?
Historically only supported on the pro variants...but it really is up to the motherboards.

"behrouz said:
lol , some people really does have karma, they're disappointed because It's not like Vega56 at 15W ! :rolleyes: , for god sake , It's APU , don't expect too much.2 is 2 , 2 Is NOT 4 , Also those APUs (Ryzen Cores) are much better than old APU with bulldozer Cores.
I think seeing Kaby G made people expect AMD's APUs to be just as good.
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#74
trparky
Um... this may be a silly question here but how do you even benchmark stuff on the XBOX One when you can't get your own code to run on it to do said proper benchmark? We can do proper benchmarks on a PC because we can run our own program binaries but last time I checked you can't do that on the XBOX One, all code must be signed by Microsoft to run on the platform.
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#75
Patriot
"trparky said:
Um... this may be a silly question here but how do you even benchmark stuff on the XBOX One when you can't get your own code to run on it to do said proper benchmark? We can do proper benchmarks on a PC because we can run our own program binaries but last time I checked you can't do that on the XBOX One, all code must be signed by Microsoft to run on the platform.
External frame rate analysis, fcat style... analysis frame runts and stuff. Not easily is the answer... you only can get real world game results. No synthetic results.
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