Friday, April 20th 2018

AMD is Saving the Ryzen 7 2800X for a Rainy Day

Many of you might have noticed that the Ryzen 7 2800X wasn't part of the initial Ryzen 2000 Series launch yesterday. Jim Anderson, Senior Vice President at AMD, has hinted that AMD might release the Ryzen 7 2800X processor at a later date. The main reason for the move is that the current Ryzen 7 2700X and 2700 models already cover the performance and price points. Therefore, AMD doesn't see the need to release a more powerful model at this time. And they're not wrong. Our review of the Ryzen 7 2700X revealed that AMD's current flagship processor has surpassed Intel's Core i7-8700K in multi-threaded workloads while also closing the gap in single-threaded workloads. While Intel still has the advantage when it comes to gaming performance, the difference in performance is slim and gets even smaller as you climb the resolution ladder. Basically, the ball is in Intel's court right now. Whether the Ryzen 7 2800X see the light of the day is going to depend on Intel's response to the Ryzen 7 2700X.
Source: DSOGaming
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93 Comments on AMD is Saving the Ryzen 7 2800X for a Rainy Day

#26
Vya Domus
jabbadap said:

Intel were literally leaking that information by them selves: Coffee Lake 8+2 ruomors.
Seems extremely vague and nothing with regards to potential launch date. I have no doubt there will be an 8 core at some point in the future , but I doubt it will be anytime soon.
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#27
dj-electric
A slightly higher clocked 2700X is not gonna change a thing
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#28
Basard
dj-electric said:
A slightly higher clocked 2700X is not gonna change a thing
Yeah it will.... I'm gonna say again, from an earlier thread--250w+ Ryzen FX, lol. 4.6ghz or more. They'll wait for winter to launch.
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#29
RealNeil
I'm waiting for the next Threadripper specs.
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#30
jmcslob
It'll be out just before or after 9700k.
I love this close enough to compete...
Can't wait to see how far this going to go.
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#31
phanbuey
dj-electric said:
A slightly higher clocked 2700X is not gonna change a thing
Going to have to agree there... not sure what the waiting is about.

They probably don't have enough binned chips for a true launch.
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#32
Fluffmeister
Agreed, if you have a better product release it, put the boot in when you can.

AMD shoudn't be sitting around waiting for rainy days.
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#33
T4C Fantasy
CPU & GPU DB Maintainer
Fluffmeister said:
Agreed, if you have a better product release it, put the boot in when you can.

AMD shoudn't be sitting around waiting for rainy days.
They waited for avalanches in the FX era
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#34
gmn 17
Common release it now AMD
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#35
TheGuruStud
pjl321 said:
They could be highly cheery picked parts, maybe 4.5GHz maybe more. A core increase would mean an entirely different chip which is way more work than its worth for a single chip and as Threadripper isn't coming to 12nm (ttbomk) i don't see this being an option.
Pretty sure AMD announced that TR is. Or at least I know I saw it on a recent roadmap. There's no reason not to. More boost on many more/all cores is a huge win. Lower power models could be carved out if they see a need.
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#36
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
DeathtoGnomes said:
i doubt that, but i wouldnt rule it out.
I would bet money that's it. None of the reviewers are gettibg 4.5+ out of the chips what makes you think amd has a big of 4.4/4.5ghz chips.
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#37
snakefist
99% no 10 cores. CCX is 4 cores and there are 2 of them, adding 2 cores more means adding another CCX, questionable (well, not really - it's very, very unlikely) if 3rd CCX will and can be added to AM4 socket, which kinda beats the purpose of adding CCX with 2 cores disabled. More logical is adding 2 CCX and that is a different architecture on many levels, and exact Epyc territory (we don't have 12 cores Epycs, server parts use FULL working CCXs, as expected from something that claims to be reliable). 12 cores Epycs have 'bogus' CCX.

Some change may occur on Zen2 (7nm), where in theory CCXs could be arranged differently and one *could* have up to 6 cores, moving the lineup to more flexible 2/4/6 and 8/10/12 (probably stopping there, with 2 CCX design) and that Epyc generation with up to 48 cores. Or even 8 cores/CCX, moving the ladder up at both cost and efficiency. Or something completely different...

Not being an expert on manufacturing process, but this scenario doesn't seem likely to happen with current, supposedly finished Zen2 architecture changes - it's unlikely even in the future generations, where probably on the same die size cores can be arranged better in a different manner decided with a real expert engineering/developing team, and not based on wishful thinking or wild simplifying of community members (me included, of course; community members with real knowledge excluded, at least at speculation idea)
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#39
Melvis
I honestly cant see a 2800x been released on this 12nm process, going by all the reviews the 2700x is pretty close to maxed out as it is with only very little OC head room. If there is going to be a 2800x it would be a very slight increases in clocks (100MHz) and or on the new up coming 7nm Process.
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#40
BiggieShady
Ah, all we need more is double wide SIMD in your FPU, you hear AMD!
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#41
Vya Domus
BiggieShady said:
Ah, all we need more is double wide SIMD in your FPU, you hear AMD!
It may not be a good idea until they deal with the slight power consumption problem at high clocks.
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#42
BiggieShady
Vya Domus said:
It may not be a good idea until they deal with the slight power consumption problem at high clocks.
They just need to summon Jim Keller again, hope they have bat signal on the roof
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#43
TeslaMaxwell
Ofc, since the 2800X has slightly better boost clocks, basically it is a binned 2700X. So it makes sense delay the launch.
Currently the 2700X boosts up to 4.3Ghz, I wouldn't be surprised if the 2800X would hit 4.5Ghz on one core or two.
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#44
RealNeil
And where is the 2900X going to be fit in?
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#45
kastriot
There will never be 2900X, 2800X will be best yield with boost 4.4-4.6GHz but they need more silicone and Ryzen 2 line will prolly be named 3X00&3X00X
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#46
pjl321
T4C Fantasy said:
atleast AMD is doing what intel isnt, giving us old architecture but more cores for the EE, in reality a 7980XE is a 6980XE and etc.. i hate intel for that crap.

Threadripper is the same micro arch as the Ryzen counterparts...
Totally agree, if its going to be anything it should be the other way around. If you are paying a premium for expensive parts you should at least be getting cutting edge tech, not 1 or even 2 generation old hardware behind the cheap entry level stuff. I am just loving that AMD is forcing Intel's hand to give us 6 core and possibly 8 core CPUs at mainstream prices. If i was buying a new system right now it would be 2700x without a shadow of a doubt (TR is a little pricey for me), sadly i'm not in the market for one at the moment. I am going to wait until next year for Zen 2 and Ice Lake but i will do everything i can to make it an AMD system.
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#47
Rahmat Sofyan
Really nice to see AMD back on table for overall performance ..

Maybe 2800X base on Zen 2 ?
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#48
pjl321
Shamalamadingdong said:

Oh right, I wonder why they are leaving it so long? Low 12nm yields?

My worry is this will mean a very staggered Zen 2 release and before you know it we will have the same situation as we do with Intel where the high end parts are a generation or two behind the entry / mainstream.
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#49
the_neon_cowboy
W1zzard said:
Nah, this would mean new silicon and everything. I'd expect it to be just a higher bin of Pinnacle Ridge
How would this require new silicon? You realize they designed the chips for sever market Thread ripper (16 cores) 1st, and adopted it for the desktop (8), they can stack more cores at any time with very little effort long as the power output on the boards will handle it. So it could be more cores and or higher clocks. Nobody outside AMD knows for sure... I guess it depends on intels response.
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#50
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
the_neon_cowboy said:
How would this require new silicon? You realize they designed the chips for sever market Thread ripper (16 cores) 1st, and adopted it for the desktop (8), they can stack more cores at any time with very little effort long as the power output on the boards will handle it. So it could be more cores and or higher clocks. Nobody outside AMD knows for sure... I guess it depends on intels response.
Mind explaining to everyone where AMD will get the die space to Siamese another die in?
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