Monday, April 23rd 2018

MSI and AMD Prepare Their 'Combat Crate' Bundles

MSI has partnered with AMD to bring their new 'Combat Crate' bundles to the gaming market. These Combat Crates are comprised of a Ryzen 5 1600 or Ryzen 7 1700 processor, a MSI B350 Tomahawk motherboard, and, last but not least, a MSI RX 580 Armor graphic card. With the Ryzen 2000 Series processors already out and B450 motherboards probably on the way, the primary goal of this partnership is probably for both companies to clear their last-gen stock. The description on the packaging reads:
The AMD Combat Crate comes stocked with essential hardware you need to push your game to the next level and lay waste to the competition. With a lightning-fast Ryzen processor, powerful RX graphics backed by revolutionary Radeon Software Adrenalin Edition and a feature-ready MSI motherboard - the AMD Combat Crate is the ultimate arsenal for gamers.
Truth be told, a Ryzen 5 1600 processor paired with a RX 580 graphics card is actually a pretty nice combo for 1080p gaming, and 1440p as well, if the user is willing to sacrifice some eye candy. The key here is pricing, and unfortunately, neither company has disclosed the official pricing for their Combat Crates. Source: VideoCardz
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26 Comments on MSI and AMD Prepare Their 'Combat Crate' Bundles

#1
DeathtoGnomes
If these are priced at MSRP or below given its a bundle, it will benefits gamers wallets quite well. But there needs to be more variety combinations and at least one variation that has a vega card.
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#3
bug
RX 580 is about on par with my GTX 1060 - definitely not next-gen, but good enough for FHD today.
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#4
Supercrit
GPU prices are dropping recently anyway, if only they did that during the peak of GPU prices, and before Ryzen 2000 series' release...
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#5
Durvelle27
I’d definitely be interested if the price is right

With it was with the newer 2600 though
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#6
Hood
AMD is spinning this as a way to "fight" miners, rather than the clearance sale it really is. https://wccftech.com/amd-combat-crate-leaked-gpu-cpu-motherboard-in-one-box/. For all the positive talk about Ryzen, it's apparently not selling well, so now come the price drops and bundles of last gen hardware. Now is a good time to build a low end gaming machine - if RAM was cheap again, it might spark a major surge in system building - but no such luck, greed is still killing the market.
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#7
_JP_
Hood said:
AMD is spinning this as a way to "fight" miners, rather than the clearance sale it really is. https://wccftech.com/amd-combat-crate-leaked-gpu-cpu-motherboard-in-one-box/. For all the positive talk about Ryzen, it's apparently not selling well, so now come the price drops and bundles of last gen hardware. Now is a good time to build a low end gaming machine - if RAM was cheap again, it might spark a major surge in system building - but no such luck, greed is still killing the market.
What are you going on about? Neither the R7 and RX580 are low end.
This is a bundle, plain and simple, to help empty remaining stocks.
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#8
Vario
_JP_ said:
What are you going on about? Neither the R7 and RX580 are low end.
This is a bundle, plain and simple, to help empty remaining stocks.
I wonder what the pricing will be? For the budget minded, buy the crate for the processor and motherboard upgrade and sell the videocard to pay for it?
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#9
Basard
Wow, last years hardware on sale. I guess some people might be interested in this, not me though. Maybe if an x470 board was included, the B350 kills it though--last gen Ryzens don't help much either.
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#10
Fx
I'm pretty sure the price will be fitting. Chances are that this bundle isn't for very many of us on this forum. There are however, many gamers on low budgets that this will find its home with. Many gamers don't even need the best graphics card when the games they play aren't that demanding and they are gaming at 1080p.
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#11
Xzibit
Ryzen 5 1600 combat crate looks to be $599 on amazon
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#12
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Xzibit said:
Ryzen 5 1600 combat crate looks to be $599 on amazon
Not a bad deal. Good starter kit, i mean you dont see gpu prices down to 460 for top end either.
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#13
Fx
Xzibit said:
Ryzen 5 1600 combat crate looks to be $599 on amazon
Wow, this is bunk!

When buying those components separately, it comes out to about $588 so I am unsure what this bundle is about.

If they wanted to make this bundle appealing, they would add in memory although that make the collaboration harder as well as offer actual savings.
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#14
dj-electric
One would think that no miner would buy this, so selling it for 450$-499 would actually turn profit
This bundle is currently a great idea, but just on paper
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#15
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Fx said:
Wow, this is bunk!

When buying those components separately, it comes out to about $588 so I am unsure what this bundle is about.

If they wanted to make this bundle appealing, they would add in memory although that make the collaboration harder as well as offer actual savings.
1 word.

Profit.

Explanation- All companies are in business to make a profit, also another point different countries have different taxes applied on these bundles, so they set this at a flat rate, it's easier to find than trying to price out individual parts at that, so either way alot would buy it, alot won't, but in the end they make a profit. Now if GPUs were lower in price individually I'd pick up a Nitro+580 or Vega 64 and sell my 290 VaporX.
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#16
Basard
You know, if the price was right, I'd reconsider my first opinion. But something tells me the overpriced graphics card is going to offset the differences.
eidairaman1 said:
1 word.

Profit.
I think It's all been a huge conspiracy all along, ever since GPUs started going up in price.... they saw this day coming. lol
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#17
evernessince
Hood said:
AMD is spinning this as a way to "fight" miners, rather than the clearance sale it really is. https://wccftech.com/amd-combat-crate-leaked-gpu-cpu-motherboard-in-one-box/. For all the positive talk about Ryzen, it's apparently not selling well, so now come the price drops and bundles of last gen hardware. Now is a good time to build a low end gaming machine - if RAM was cheap again, it might spark a major surge in system building - but no such luck, greed is still killing the market.
What are you talking about? Sales reports from both European and US vendors have shown Ryzen had excellent sales and even the minor Ryzen+ refresh is topping Amazon's charts.
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#18
Fx
evernessince said:
What are you talking about? Sales reports from both European and US vendors have shown Ryzen had excellent sales and even the minor Ryzen+ refresh is topping Amazon's charts.
It's a great processor and I'm glad I waited. Ryzen+ will be in my new rig as soon as the 490 chipset comes out.
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#19
Hood
evernessince said:
What are you talking about? Sales reports from both European and US vendors have shown Ryzen had excellent sales and even the minor Ryzen+ refresh is topping Amazon's charts.
As you can see from this chart, AMD was narrowing the gap starting in Q1 2017 (Ryzen release), but now in Q1 2018 Intel is back above 80% and AMD is back below 20%. To me, this indicates that Ryzen was not able to sustain the trend after the initial surge of sales, and Intel got back most or all of the lost market share. If you see this differently, please explain your reasoning. Ryzen gets a lot of praise and attention, Intel gets a lot of hate and bad press, but the figures show that Intel is successfully countering AMD's threat to it's Desktop supremacy.
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#20
Xzibit
Hood said:
As you can see from this chart, AMD was narrowing the gap starting in Q1 2017 (Ryzen release), but now in Q1 2018 Intel is back above 80% and AMD is back below 20%. To me, this indicates that Ryzen was not able to sustain the trend after the initial surge of sales, and Intel got back most or all of the lost market share. If you see this differently, please explain your reasoning. Ryzen gets a lot of praise and attention, Intel gets a lot of hate and bad press, but the figures show that Intel is successfully countering AMD's threat to it's Desktop supremacy.
You do realize that chart is based on benchmark submissions.

Has nothing to do with sales

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This graph showing AMD and Intel market share is made up of thousands of PerformanceTest benchmark results and is updated daily.
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  • This graph counts the baselines submitted to us during these time period and therefore is representative of CPUs in use rather than CPUs purchased.

From a firm that uses those numbers
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This statistic shows the share held by AMD and Intel chips in the x86 PC processor market worldwide, by quarter, from 2012 to 2017, based on performance tests submitted online. In the third quarter of 2017, 77.5 percent of tests recorded were from Intel processors.
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#21
DeathtoGnomes
Hood said:
As you can see from this chart, AMD was narrowing the gap starting in Q1 2017 (Ryzen release), but now in Q1 2018 Intel is back above 80% and AMD is back below 20%. To me, this indicates that Ryzen was not able to sustain the trend after the initial surge of sales, and Intel got back most or all of the lost market share. If you see this differently, please explain your reasoning. Ryzen gets a lot of praise and attention, Intel gets a lot of hate and bad press, but the figures show that Intel is successfully countering AMD's threat to it's Desktop supremacy.
not surprised you show a chart that 4 months old to create a false narrative. The numbers have changed since, there is an updated chart that shows AMD share above 20%. Intel's smear campaign to AMD is the only counter to AMD's threat thats successful.

I couldnt link the image so here is the whole page.
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#22
evernessince
Hood said:
As you can see from this chart, AMD was narrowing the gap starting in Q1 2017 (Ryzen release), but now in Q1 2018 Intel is back above 80% and AMD is back below 20%. To me, this indicates that Ryzen was not able to sustain the trend after the initial surge of sales, and Intel got back most or all of the lost market share. If you see this differently, please explain your reasoning. Ryzen gets a lot of praise and attention, Intel gets a lot of hate and bad press, but the figures show that Intel is successfully countering AMD's threat to it's Desktop supremacy.
That's not a sales chart....
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#23
Casecutter
At Micro Center the AMD Ryzen 5 1600, MSI B350 TOMAHAWK CPU/Motherboard Bundle is $200, after rebate.
The MSI RX 580 8Gb Armor right now is $325-350 which is expensive for what is MSI low grade version, and that's if it is a an 8Gb version as they don't really say.

Consider today without "mining inflation" and in the context of Polaris life span now a year on the market, such a card would be significantly less than the original $230 MSRP. Today the "real world" would be $200 no problem, while $180 working a rebate.

So $200 for CPU and Mobo, which is about the mix I'd consider and still have both making plenty of profit (so not a actual price in a 3 piece bundle). It's the card the is the "outlier" it's not worth $300 to me as prices are still marching down each week. If generous to MSI I might say that card is at this time might see value of $275 in the context of this bundle. All considered they still make profit on both the mobo and graphics, both are now "long in the tooth", and if the have a large amount of the Tomahawks still in the warehouse they're best to move them now.

A fair price on this today if an 8Gb card is more like $480...
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#24
Arjai
I can't find this at my Micro Center, at least not on the website. The 580 here, in MN, is :

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#25
Casecutter
Arjai said:
I can't find this at my Micro Center, at least not on the website. The 580 here, in MN, is :

8 of this in stock in the OC, while also that Armor. This is what I'd think about for the quality vs. the final $360 price. Though, I'm not saying anyone should think of buying till something like this is down to more like $280, but this same Asus was $300 @MC just a week ago!

This 1700 CPU/ASUS Prime B350M-E Mobo bundle is $250 that Asus 580 8Gb $360 = $610, much nicer deal today!
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