Tuesday, July 3rd 2018

Intel 9000 Series CPU Lineup Confirmed in Official Microcode Revision Guidance + Clocks

Following all of the unofficial, tentative tidbits of information following Intel's on-again, off-again 9000 series CPU lineup (which still belongs to the 8th Generation), we now have official confirmation - as is usual, through Intel's documentation. In this instance, the "culprit" is Intel's Microcode Revision Guidance. The Coffee Lake S series featuring 6+2 configurations are now listed with Core i5-9600(K), Core i5-9500(T) and the Core i5-9400, while the Core i3-9100 and Core i3-9000 SKUs are listed with a 4+2 configuration.

Update: Intel's 8th Gen Specification Update now lists clocks and core count for the aforementioned CPUs. Overall, there's an increased 100 or 200 MHz Max Turbo frequency across the board within the same TDP package, and some instances of 100 MHz base frequency increases over Intel's 8000 series CPUs (can't just call them 8th gen anymore now can we?). The 9600K, for example, increases base clocks from the 8600K by 100 MHz (up to 3.7 GHz base), but pole-vaults its predecessor in maximum Turbo (up to 4.5 GHz).
Intel's strategy for its top-tier i7 remains somewhat of a mystery: on one hand, Intel could very well keep their 8000 series' tiering scheme, with i7 models featuring 6 cores but 12 threads via Hyper Threading, thus differentiating from the 6-core, 6-thread i5's. But recent events have made it more likely that the company is planning on introducing its i9 tier to the mainstream desktop market. For now, an 8-core, 16-thread CPU (Intel Core i9-9900K); a 6-core, 12-thread one (Intel Core i7-9700K) and a six-core, six-thread part (Intel Core i5-9600K) fall in pretty nicely with Intel's Microcode Update Guidance and 8th gen specification updates. Sources: Intel Microcode Revision Guidance, via VideoCardz, Intel Specification Update - June
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43 Comments on Intel 9000 Series CPU Lineup Confirmed in Official Microcode Revision Guidance + Clocks

#1
dgianstefani
Oh wow... it's *confirmed*?

I guess if this wasn't posted there just wouldn't be a 9000 series and we'd all just use 8th gen for the rest of time...
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#2
Finners
6+2? So they just glued 2 more cores on
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#3
Nokiron
"Finners said:
6+2? So they just glued 2 more cores on
That's not what it means. The +2 means that they use GT2-graphics. The first number is the core-count.
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#4
windwhirl
"dgianstefani said:
Oh wow... it's *confirmed*?

I guess if this wasn't posted there just wouldn't be a 9000 series and we'd all just use 8th gen for the rest of time...
Maybe Intel would rather launch a 10000 series....
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#5
cucker tarlson
Hope that's true, it'd be a worthy upgrade. If this came out in Q3 I'd even move my 1180 plans for later.
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#6
Finners
"Nokiron said:
That's not what it means. The +2 means that they use GT2-graphics. The first number is the core-count.
Ha, serves me right for trying to be funny. If the core count is 6 then it seems no different to the 8*** series.
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#7
cucker tarlson
I think there's still going to be i7s with 6c/12t, but they'll introduce i9s and they'll only be possible on Z390. They'll cost around 7820x price.
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#9
Nokiron
"Finners said:
Ha, serves me right for trying to be funny. If the core count is 6 then it seems no different to the 8*** series.
Well, I suppose there is a tiny chance since there isn't any 9000-series i7 in that picture. But following the traditional pattern with the top i5 model having the same core count as the top end i7 it isn't that promising.

There could also be an i9 in this segment as well.
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#10
stimpy88
Another model number bump this time Intel?
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#11
cucker tarlson
"stimpy88 said:
Another model number bump this time Intel?
Boy,that would be disappointing as hell..... I guess that's what will happen anyway,but with a chance of i9 coming to z390.
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#12
dwade
RIP AMD. Discounting their products is all they can do.
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#13
TheGuruStud
"dwade said:
RIP AMD. Discounting their products is all they can do.
You mean rip Intel. This has to last them 2 yrs+ and if they're not out very soon, then we're only a few months away from Zen 2. This is desperation mode to keep ppl buying them while they can.

Look at AMD prices now. What do you think is gonna happen on a smaller node? Intel's profits on custom builds can be eradicated.
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#14
ppn
Are all meltdowns fixed in hardware, we need 10NM with 2,7 times the density of 14NM, why bother with refreshes that nobody needs. Same nvidia 7NM has 2,7 density of 12NM, and they still release it. Pointless and stupid last minute upgrade, might as well wait for 1 more year and get something 2,7 times more advanced.
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#15
dwade
"TheGuruStud said:
You mean rip Intel. This has to last them 2 yrs+ and if they're not out very soon, then we're only a few months away from Zen 2. This is desperation mode to keep ppl buying them while they can.

Look at AMD prices now. What do you think is gonna happen on a smaller node? Intel's profits on custom builds can be eradicated.
Few months away. Ugh huh. Back to reality: Epyc sold poorly while Intel raked in record in profits. And AMD is the discount brand; of course they’ll discount their products because they can never offer absolute performance. The i5 8400 beating the 2700x in gaming actually speaks volume.
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#16
bug
I honestly don't care. Ice Lake, maybe I will consider for an upgrade. But even then, I'm not sure. Coffee Lake? Yesterday's news. As much as I consider myself an enthusiast and have been building my own systems since forever, for the life of me I could not tell what Coffee Lake has that Kaby lake doesn't. That's how "exciting" it is.
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#17
TheGuruStud
"dwade said:
Few months away. Ugh huh. Back to reality: Epyc sold poorly while Intel raked in record in profits. And AMD is the discount brand; of course they’ll discount their products because they can never offer absolute performance. The i5 8400 beating the 2700x in gaming actually speaks volume.
I5 8400 beats most Intel cpus lol. Lack of HT does that. Whoosh on you.

Contrary to popular belief, a lot (or dare I say most) don't game and most do not have 1080TIs. They're doing themselves a disservice.

I just built a dirt cheap gaming/streaming PC for a coworker. Let me know how that works out on your beloved 6c/6t Intels (hint: it won't work at all).
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#18
IceShroom
Why you guys saying Intel 9000 serise? Shouldn't it be Intel Core 9, just like Ryzen 2(instead Ryzen 2000 serise)!!
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#19
champsilva
One of the files was removed and the other one updated.
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#20
windwhirl
"IceShroom said:
Why you guys saying Intel 9000 serise? Shouldn't it be Intel Core 9, just like Ryzen 2(instead Ryzen 2000 serise)!!
Nope. Intel uses Core i3 / i5 / i7 / i9 for market segmentation, and could be confusing if we called the 9000 series Core 9, as it could be mistaken for Core i9. Here we are talking about the next Intel CPUs, which should be the 9000 series, which doesn't mean however that it will be an actually new generation, as it seems it will still be based on Coffee Lake, which was the 8th gen. And then some people will tell you that improvements were almost non-existent between Skylake and Coffee Lake, and that it all comes down to higher clocks and more cores, and as such, we are still on the seventh gen or something.

Also, "Ryzen 2" may be used as a synonym for future Zen 2 mainstream CPUs. To avoid anyone misunderstanding me, I choose to always say Ryzen 2000 series when I'm talking about Ryzen refreshed CPUs.
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#21
ppn
9600K and 8650K are the same, cant be new socket. What are these guys thinking.
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#22
IceShroom
"windwhirl said:
Nope. Intel uses Core i3 / i5 / i7 / i9 for market segmentation, and could be confusing if we called the 9000 series Core 9, as it could be mistaken for Core i9. Here we are talking about the next Intel CPUs, which should be the 9000 series, which doesn't mean however that it will be an actually new generation, as it seems it will still be based on Coffee Lake, which was the 8th gen. And then some people will tell you that improvements were almost non-existent between Skylake and Coffee Lake, and that it all comes down to higher clocks and more cores, and as such, we are still on the seventh gen or something.

Also, "Ryzen 2" may be used as a synonym for future Zen 2 mainstream CPUs. To avoid anyone misunderstanding me, I choose to always say Ryzen 2000 series when I'm talking about Ryzen refreshed CPUs.
Calling 2nd gen Ryzen processors Ryzen 2 is also confusing. On AMD's official slide says 2nd gen Ryzen.
Zen/Zen+/(Zen2/Zen3?) are architecture code name. Ryzen is processor brand name. People are confusing architecture name with product brand name. AMD can sell Bulldozer based cpu under Ryzen name casue it a brand name.
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#24
las
I seriously hope they will do this:

i3 = 4C/8T
i5 = 6C/12T
i7 = 8C/16T

But I guess they have to have an i9 ...

"TheGuruStud said:
You mean rip Intel. This has to last them 2 yrs+ and if they're not out very soon, then we're only a few months away from Zen 2. This is desperation mode to keep ppl buying them while they can.

Look at AMD prices now. What do you think is gonna happen on a smaller node? Intel's profits on custom builds can be eradicated.
Intel will have 10nm ready in 2019
Intel 10nm = TSMC/GloFo 7nm
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#25
Gungar
No ofc not, i7 9700k is just a i7 8700k with maybe 100 mhz more.

The 8 cores will certainly be a i9. Expected price around 500 dollars.
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