Thursday, October 25th 2018

AMD Vega 20 Possible Performance Spotted in Final Fantasy XV Benchmark

It would appear AMD's 7nm Vega 20 has been benchmarked in Final Fantasy XV. While the details are scarce, what we do know is the hardware device ID 66AF:C1 can be linked to Vega 20 via the Linux patches back in April. Now considering AMD has not confirmed any 7nm Vega graphics cards for consumers, It is more likely this version is an engineering sample for the new Radeon Instinct or Pro series cards.
While the Final Fantasy XV benchmark is not exactly an AMD friendly title considering the heavy use of NVIDIA's Gameworks. The fact remains, it does give us a glimpse into its performance compared to the currently available Vega based graphics cards on the market. Looking at the charts, 66AF:C1 offers performance that typically beats out the previous Vega offerings including, Vega 56, Vega 64 and even the Frontier Edition. Even so, it still lags behind NVIDIA's older GTX 1080. A few possible reasons for these results exist, first, the GPU may not be operating at peak clock speeds which is indeed possible if it is an engineering sample. However, another likely possibility is that AMD is using 7nm as a means to lower power consumption, rather than to increase performance. Like all leaks of this nature it is best to take them with a grain of salt.
Sources: FFXV Benchmark, via Videocardz
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27 Comments on AMD Vega 20 Possible Performance Spotted in Final Fantasy XV Benchmark

#2
StrayKAT
Damn, that 2080Ti @ 4K looks attractive. I guess the mysterious Vega is a nice enough improvement, but not enough for me to sell my current Vega 64.
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#3
Imsochobo
Divide Overflow, post: 3929674, member: 69232"
Oh well, there's always Arcturus, right?
:laugh:
Cause if they launched a 1700$ gpu with better than 2080TI performance it'd be success?

ehm.. I think you misunderstand vega20 a bit.
it's just Vega64 -> 7nm, nothing else pretty much, at 150 W it's a better card than 2070\2080, same performance, lower power consumption, costs less probably due to die size and It'd say that is a story for success.
Unless 7nm have horrible yields but all stories point to all things good.

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StrayKAT, post: 3929685, member: 174092"
Damn, that 2080Ti @ 4K looks attractive. I guess the mysterious Vega is a nice enough improvement, but not enough for me to sell my current Vega 64.
well it's a very nvidia title, more than any other title I've ever seen so it's a bad for overall performance comparison, that said it's just a new RX580 in my eyes and it looks promising.
I just want 2080ti performance at not 2080 ti price.
2080ti has mighty performance but holy shit it's pricey.
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#4
StrayKAT
Imsochobo, post: 3929689, member: 66457"
Cause if they launched a 1700$ gpu with better than 2080TI performance it'd be success?

ehm.. I think you misunderstand vega20 a bit.
it's just Vega64 -> 7nm, nothing else pretty much, at 150 W it's a better card than 2070\2080, same performance, lower power consumption, costs less probably due to die size and It'd say that is a story for success.
Unless 7nm have horrible yields but all stories point to all things good.
The only way I'll get it is if I switch to Ryzen as well and need a new GPU (a new Ryzen, that is). Having 7nm CPU and GPU would be pretty sweet actually... just because :p

But since I'm stuck with x299 for awhile, it's not worth it.
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#5
ppn
for a 4096 bit card with massive 2.5x more bandwidth on the memory side, this should be (2,5+1,3)/2~ 1,4-1,9x better.

325mm2 on 7nm translates to 650mm2 on 12nm, compared to VEGA 484mm2. there are at least 33% more transistors in VEGA20
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#6
Fluffmeister
I can't imagine it's a legit score, and even if it is it doesn't matter at all. The card isn't meant for consumers in the first place.

AMD fans cling to the hope that 7nm is going to help them crush Nvidia, but sadly I think they will be dissappointed.
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#7
sergionography
ppn, post: 3929712, member: 159444"
for a 4096 bit card with massive 2.5x more bandwidth on the memory side, this should be (2,5+1,3)/2~ 1,4-1,9x better.

325mm2 on 7nm translates to 650mm2 on 12nm, compared to VEGA 484mm2. there are at least 33% more transistors in VEGA20
Im not sure if i missed something, but where did you get 325mm2 from?
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#8
ur6beersaway
Gifted to 20 CEOs.
TITAN V JHH Special Edition
(Jen-Hsun Huang)
Probably 99% A.S.I.C. quality score too.. I wonder if that BIOS would flash over to Titian V un-special edition......could use a $3,000 brick.....LoL
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#9
StrayKAT
Fluffmeister, post: 3929715, member: 101373"
I can't imagine it's a legit score, and even if it is it doesn't matter at all. The card isn't meant for consumers in the first place.

AMD fans cling to the hope that 7nm is going to help them crush Nvidia, but sadly I think they will be dissappointed.
I like AMD, but I'm just looking for something markedly better than the older Vega. This is only one game, but this doesn't seem to be it.
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#10
XiGMAKiD
Nothing extraordinary, just another die shrink. I wonder if they're gonna die shrink it again in 2020
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#11
StrayKAT
XiGMAKiD, post: 3929735, member: 161561"
Nothing extraordinary, just another die shrink. I wonder if they're gonna die shrink it again in 2020
I would hope they do something more impressive by 2020. Intel is coming out with GPUs at that point too (I think they're starting out in the Pro market, but still).
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#12
xkm1948
Fluffmeister, post: 3929715, member: 101373"
I can't imagine it's a legit score, and even if it is it doesn't matter at all. The card isn't meant for consumers in the first place.

AMD fans cling to the hope that 7nm is going to help them crush Nvidia, but sadly I think they will be dissappointed.
Aw come on man, you gotta give the angry red guards something to live on!
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#13
XiGMAKiD
StrayKAT, post: 3929739, member: 174092"
I would hope they do something more impressive by 2020. Intel is coming out with GPUs at that point too (I think they're starting out in the Pro market, but still).
Economy of scale wise targeting both consumer and pro is the way to go, but let's just wait for now :D
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#14
theoneandonlymrk
Most Entertaining, obviously Amd consistently under clock for engineering sample benches this early in their pr cycle no ?.
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#15
Prima.Vera
LOL@ the performance ... :nutkick::ohwell:
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#16
MrGenius
Whaaaaaat? Yeaaahh...no. I don't think so. Nice try though! ;)
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#17
Patriot
Imsochobo, post: 3929689, member: 66457"
ehm.. I think you misunderstand vega20 a bit.
it's just Vega64 -> 7nm, nothing else pretty much, at 150 W it's a better card than 2070\2080, same performance, lower power consumption, costs less probably due to die size and It'd say that is a story for success.
Unless 7nm have horrible yields but all stories point to all things good.
Yeah... AMD explicitly said 7nm Vega was not just a die shrink.
They are adding tensor ops of some sort.
and XGMI links

Also Vega64 is already 1080 performance... so this is clearly not at clocks or fully enabled.
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#18
renz496
Patriot, post: 3929832, member: 77367"
Yeah... AMD explicitly said 7nm Vega was not just a die shrink.
They are adding tensor ops of some sort.
and XGMI links

Also Vega64 is already 1080 performance... so this is clearly not at clocks or fully enabled.
or it could be having the same performance as current vega. they just add things that vega lacked before like 1/2 rate FP64 performance and tensor core.
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#19
Patriot
renz496, post: 3929853, member: 104135"
or it could be having the same performance as current vega. they just add things that vega lacked before like 1/2 rate FP64 performance and tensor core.
At the bare... 7nm is double the density and 1.2x performance for same arch. So highly doubtful that its the same performance.
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#20
medi01
crazyeyesreaper, post: 3929646, member: 68032"
Looking at the charts, 66AF:C1 offers performance that typically beats out the previous Vega offerings including, Vega 56, Vega 64 and even the Frontier Edition
By.... didn't you forget to bloody mention that??

crazyeyesreaper, post: 3929646, member: 68032"
Even so, it still lags behind NVIDIA's
Ah, never freaking mind, that lovely spin thing, that leads to idotic "1080 is much faster than Vega 64" crap, carry on...
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#21
Hugh Mungus
StrayKAT, post: 3929685, member: 174092"
Damn, that 2080Ti @ 4K looks attractive. I guess the mysterious Vega is a nice enough improvement, but not enough for me to sell my current Vega 64.
Ummm, could be slow, unoptimized instinct, OR that mysterious mid-range 1080 competitor that had been rumoured...
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#22
jabbadap
I don't really understand what people expected. It is just a 64cu vega die shrinked to 7nm plus added non-gaming features on it. For clock to clock it will perform much like a current gen Vegas. Sure it have over double the mem bandwidth, which should show especially on higher resolutions. Which makes me think two possibilities what this is: Pro card with lowish clocks or maybe amd is using just two hbm2 mems for making gaming card from vega20.
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#23
kings
Fluffmeister, post: 3929715, member: 101373"
AMD fans cling to the hope that 7nm is going to help them crush Nvidia, but sadly I think they will be dissappointed.
Also, some people talk like 7nm are AMD exclusive or something...

When TSMC has the capacity to support consumer graphics chips at 7nm, Nvidia will also have access to them, if they wish.

And then, we are back to square one.
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#24
Vayra86
Gaming benchmarks on a prosumer card with obvious lacking support. Well done.

What is the point of this? Clicks? A new Vega hype? I've never seen Quadro or Tesla being put to the test on vague, leaky benchmarks. Or even 3DMark.

@all you can safely ignore this whole article. Go do something useful instead. There is nothing to be learned here. You can't learn anything about 7nm performance / scaling / power budget, you don't see what 7nm Vega is actually for, and the bench is unreliable.

I'm expecting a bit more restraint from TPU. This is feeding into a misplaced hype and misinformed fanbase. As you can see by over half the posts made here. 'Possible performance spotted'... :oops:
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#25
Xx Tek Tip xX
Vayra86, post: 3929919, member: 152404"
Gaming benchmarks on a prosumer card with obvious lacking support. Well done.

What is the point of this? Clicks? A new Vega hype? I've never seen Quadro or Tesla being put to the test on vague, leaky benchmarks. Or even 3DMark.

@all you can safely ignore this whole article. Go do something useful instead. There is nothing to be learned here. You can't learn anything about 7nm performance / scaling / power budget, you don't see what 7nm Vega is actually for, and the bench is unreliable.

I'm expecting a bit more restraint from TPU. This is feeding into a misplaced hype and misinformed fanbase. As you can see by over half the posts made here.
I agree here, Ieaks are rarely accurate and nowhere near the finished products performance.
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