Tuesday, November 6th 2018

Intel Announces "Forward-Looking" Architecture Event to be Held December 11th

Intel today announced to press that they've scheduled an event for December 11th. The scheduled event should take the form of a small gathering of both Intel and press professionals, where Intel will be giving insights into its thought process and technologies with some in-depth presentations for technicians and engineers from the blue giant. Intel has become more and more secluded when it comes to the workings and architecture details of its technology advances, with the company even going so far as to cancel the (previously annual) Intel Developer Forums.

The event is apparently focusing on "architecture" considerations for future Intel products, so information shared could be strung with NDAs, and could fall under any product family Intel is working on (CPU, GPU, FPGA, AI...). We'll see what Intel has to share, and what kind of details (or watercolor ideas) can be painted on any future Intel products.
Source: AnandTech
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25 Comments on Intel Announces "Forward-Looking" Architecture Event to be Held December 11th

#1
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
So does this mean no more sandbagging, bribery etc
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#2
TheGuruStud
I'll save everyone the trouble. It'll be an AMD chiplet clone with a fancy name and they'll pretend they invented it. When publicly announced, it'll look like you just freed an outpost in far cry.
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#3
Xzibit
Forward-Looking since 2015. We are almost there can you see it. 10nm maybe, will let you know later.

In the meantime, We are adding another (+) to our 14nm++++++++
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#4
Smartcom5
"eidairaman1 said:
So does this mean no more sandbagging, bribery etc
No way. This company was deceitful, tricky and disingenuous ever since – throughout their whole history. That doesn't change from day to day.

Intel is going to be Intel for sure.
The event be will either some backpedaling towards more superficial architectural internals and 'secrets' (which everybody with a sane mind would've come up with anyway; MCPs) to regain some trust on Wall Street due to increasing pressure from shareholders … Or they'll bring the next stunt of utter bs to calm down the market and investors and how everything is fine and dandy. I guess the latter, as they most probably will sell their termination of their original 10nm process as another breakthrough à la „Hyperscale“.

"TheGuruStud said:
I'll save everyone the trouble. It'll be an AMD chiplet clone with a fancy name and they'll pretend they invented it. When publicly announced, it'll look like you just freed an outpost in far cry.
This.


Smartcom
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#5
Nkd
Intel seems desparate to do anything and everything and now they are going to talk about architecture rofl. This just shows they just fell behind amd by a few years. I think they are in for some serious beating in market share. I wouldn't be surprised if next year they lose about 10-15% market share alone after zen 2 kicks in with IPC gains and makes up the gaming performance with improved latency and their 8 core single ccx design.
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#6
Rockarola
*strictly hearsay from here on*

I have a friend who works in sales for Lenovo. According to him the Intel sales team is going "wait and see, stay with us and it'll be really good" and the AMD team is replying with "you can get this right now, we'll improve it as we go"

It sounds to me like Intel is treading water, promising future improvements, whereas AMD is selling what they have, not what they might develop.
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#7
TheGuruStud
"Rockarola said:
*strictly hearsay from here on*

I have a friend who works in sales for Lenovo. According to him the Intel sales team is going "wait and see, stay with us and it'll be really good" and the AMD team is replying with "you can get this right now, we'll improve it as we go"

It sounds to me like Intel is treading water, promising future improvements, whereas AMD is selling what they have, not what they might develop.
You nailed it. That's exactly what this is, another stunt. Do they really expect everyone to wait 3 three years to find out and keep buying their high TDP garbage until then? lol
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#8
narayan
oh, intel, i'm so happy for everything bad that's going on for you!
sincerely yours, the client from whom you've taken 10 yrs with your products based on lies, dishonesty and deceitfulness
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#9
Vayra86
"Rockarola said:
*strictly hearsay from here on*

I have a friend who works in sales for Lenovo. According to him the Intel sales team is going "wait and see, stay with us and it'll be really good" and the AMD team is replying with "you can get this right now, we'll improve it as we go"

It sounds to me like Intel is treading water, promising future improvements, whereas AMD is selling what they have, not what they might develop.
Gosh, that sounds like AMD vs Intel since forever? Except the past ten years it was AMD selling what they didn't have, and Intel improving it as they went.

And ironically AMD is trying the 'Intel way' with their GPUs since the last five years, too.
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#10
oxidized
Hypocrites, hypocrites everywhere...
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#11
TristanX
Raja will introduce new superior GPU
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#12
mcraygsx
Glad Intel is selling us something more then a Quad Core processor for a change. Think its time for INTEL to ditch Core architecture altogether and move beyond to something new.
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#13
R0H1T
"oxidized said:
Hypocrites, hypocrites everywhere...
Yes but recently Intel seems to be on a roll, even more than usual :shadedshu:
<div class="youtube-embed" data-id="IBrumDWpl-c"><img src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IBrumDWpl-c/hqdefault.jpg" /><div class="youtube-play"></div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBrumDWpl-c" target="_blank" class="youtube-title"></a></div>
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#14
oxidized
"R0H1T said:
Yes but recently Intel seems to be on a roll, even more than usual :shadedshu:
<div class="youtube-embed" data-id="IBrumDWpl-c"><img src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IBrumDWpl-c/hqdefault.jpg" /><div class="youtube-play"></div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBrumDWpl-c" target="_blank" class="youtube-title"></a></div>
What changed in these last ~2 years is just that AMD started making good CPUs again, intel has been minding their own business for a while, and surely weren't prepared for AMD's comeback, but all this drama created mostly by idiotic and hypocrite customers (who really sound more like fans than customers) is starting to get ridiculous, the pinnacle was recently reached by people complaining about the quality of the solder alloy intel used in their new CPUs, saying the one used by AMD was better, and that intel is milking people again. That's what we've reached, and that's why i'll wait real world tests before becoming the next to jump on the imaginary train of imaginary inmates running from imaginary intel prison, people should stop always siding with someone, and learn to be much more neutral and stop falling for every thing they see (just because it's what they want to see).
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#15
Vayra86
"R0H1T said:
Yes but recently Intel seems to be on a roll, even more than usual :shadedshu:
<div class="youtube-embed" data-id="IBrumDWpl-c"><img src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IBrumDWpl-c/hqdefault.jpg" /><div class="youtube-play"></div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBrumDWpl-c" target="_blank" class="youtube-title"></a></div>
Actually if you watch the piece he concludes that Intel set the parameters fine, and motherboard makers are pushing the envelope here. Watch the last five minutes.
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#16
R0H1T
"Vayra86 said:
Actually if you watch the piece he concludes that Intel set the parameters fine, and motherboard makers are pushing the envelope here. Watch the last five minutes.
I realize that but I also remember a time when Intel stamped their authority & shutdown non Z OCing on 3 (4?) gens of motherboards, starting with x87 IIRC. I personally lost a lot of money because H97 MB were doing OCing fine for a good 1 year or so before MS & Intel pushed a microcode update crippling such boards & rendering the system unusable. You could say the same about z370 when ASUS said they could make CFL work on Z270, if Intel let them.

The point being Intel could easily stop this if they wanted to, but why would they? It's not like this is making them look bad.
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#17
oxidized
I'm totally with you on the fact intel could avoid swapping platform so much, but it doesn't even matter if don't switch CPU every generation, i mean i'm with sandy bridge, what should i do? I should pretend to have the same socket or platform or anything? That's a bit stupid isn't it?

Edit: Misunderstood the post, sorry
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#18
Vayra86
"oxidized said:
I'm totally with you on the fact intel could avoid swapping platform so much, but it doesn't even matter if don't switch CPU every generation, i mean i'm with sandy bridge, what should i do? I should pretend to have the same socket or platform or anything? That's a bit stupid isn't it?
I think he is referring to Intel not enforcing the parameters it sets towards AIBs.
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oxidized
"Vayra86 said:
I think he is referring to Intel not enforcing the parameters it sets towards AIBs.
Yeah i totally misunderstood the post, damn.
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#20
HTC
"Vayra86 said:
I think he is referring to Intel not enforcing the parameters it sets towards AIBs.
Or Intel is suggesting "under the counter" to AIBs to not "follow parameters to the letter", which is why there is great variance.
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#21
Smartcom5
"HTC said:
Or Intel is suggesting "under the counter" to AIBs to not "follow parameters to the letter", which is why there is great variance.
Isn't is rather that there's pretty much no greater variance at all, in terms of everyone and all AIBs ain't following Intel's guidelines?
Something tells me that there were paid orders words of advices from Intel to explicitly not stay with such official guidelines Intel are ordering.

Either way, if they're telling that they „followed Intel's guidelines strictly“, they ain't necessarily lying at all. Since pretty sure they did so en bloc, as obviously as it gets.
The only question which remains being answered, is; Are those guidelines they followed were the same we are think they actually should be …?

C'mon, this obvious fuckery and continuous bribing Intel always did and does since decades – and especially within the younger past since Ryzen it's always the same pattern;
Accidentally AIBs fucking in up (on purpose?!) every single time and with every single launch as they accidentally OC out of the box, accidentally can't get settings like [ICODE]Multi Core-Enhancement[/ICODE] right, accidentally exceed TDP-windows and so on. Accidentally can't manufacture any decent AM4-boards or can't built any decent VRM-designing on AM4-boards or suddenly can't meet any greater demand for it and so on (while even bringing a shitload of even completely dedicated boards to run a Quadcore on a pseudo-HEDT-board. Or that OEMs all out of a sudden just unlearnt to to do any decent and uncrippled notebooks which accidentally just feature AMD-parts (while at the same time identical notebooks featuring Intel-parts can run completely unchained.

Curiously enough it's always everything accidentally, isn't it?

The only fact which continuously remains is, that – whatever they doaccidentally it always just is perfectly suited to let Intel shine (while cheating) and devalue anything with Ryzen (also while cheating).

The thing is, it all bears the hallmarks of Intel, from start to finish. It sports Intel's very way they used to bribe and they always will use to do so.
The sad thing is, that the industry or at least a good chunk of OEMs and AIBs are doing what Intel wants them to do since they always threaten AIBs to withdraw their chipset licences (which they already did back then with the Athlon; while it was on top, no-one could biuld a setup since no boards were made nor shipped) or threaten OEMs to stop supplying them with CPUs for the mobile-market.

It's sad, but that's just they way it is. Until AIBs and OEMs cut their selves off from Intel and their practices and stop joyfully take their filthy money, those OEMs and AIBs will have that AMD-coloured blood on their hands and AMD won't have any greater breakthrough and there won't be any genuine, trustworthy market for the consumer to chose from and no true competition.

Thinking or even believing the whole thing and market wouldn't work that way, is just illusionary. Because every AIB and every single OEM-manufacture is just as guilty as Intel – since it always takes two for a bribery: One who tries to nobble and one who accepts the bribe and takes the money.


Smartcom
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#22
Vayra86
Well, let's not exaggerate here. If you buy a Z board to stay within the TDP range of a K CPU, you've kinda lost the plot either way. The boards already mostly shipped with multi-core enhancements on and whatnot, as a buyer you just know they aren't running stock, or you're oblivious and you start to care when temps go wild or something crashes.
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#23
Smartcom5
My reply was rather overarching and thus not necessarily limited to today's TDP-issue.


Smartcom
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#24
Vayra86
"Smartcom5 said:
My reply was rather overarching and thus not necessarily limited to today's TDP-issue.


Smartcom
I got that :D
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#25
Rockarola
"Vayra86 said:
Gosh, that sounds like AMD vs Intel since forever? Except the past ten years it was AMD selling what they didn't have, and Intel improving it as they went.

And ironically AMD is trying the 'Intel way' with their GPUs since the last five years, too.
My point exactly, except that on the CPU side the Intel sales preachers are trying to sell what they *should* have, not what they *might* have.
Look at the difference in available cash and you might see why Intel sounds a little desperate.
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