Friday, March 8th 2019

Microsoft Confirms Latest Windows 10 Update May Decrease Performance in Certain Gaming Scenarios

Microsoft has confirmed that their latest Windows 10 update (KB4482887), which released on march 1st, can actually degrade graphics and mouse performance in some games. As Microsoft themselves put it, "After installing KB4482887, users may notice graphics and mouse performance degradation with desktop gaming when playing certain games (eg: Destiny 2)."

There's no word yet on a definitive listing of games that suffer this performance degradation, but Microsoft is hard at work fixing this for the next Windows release. Until then, users facing graphics and mouse performance degradation can simply uninstall the KB4482887 update.
Source: Windows 10 KB4482887 Update Page and Release Notes
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135 Comments on Microsoft Confirms Latest Windows 10 Update May Decrease Performance in Certain Gaming Scenarios

#1
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
This is a rare admission from MS.
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#2
sam_86314
Just checked, I never got this update. Wonder if they pulled it a while ago.
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#3
Tsukiyomi91
first time I hear Microsoft admitting that their cumulative updates causes some performance degration for certain games like Destiny 2...
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#4
Manu_PT
Any news? Windows7 has almost half latency than windows10. Mouse behaviour is superior on win7 translation wise (closest to 1:1) anyone serious about online gaming dont use w10. Worst OS ever for gamets.
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#5
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
related to Retpoline acceleration for spectre 2 Mitigation
you can keep the update and simply disable the Retpoline acceleration by turning spectre 2 migitations off via the command line

reg add "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management" /v FeatureSettingsOverride /t REG_DWORD /d 3 /f

reg add "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management" /v FeatureSettingsOverrideMask /t REG_DWORD /d 3 /f


ill say it again spectre is a non issue it impossible to mitigate it fully anyway so no sense is bothering
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#6
ArbitraryAffection
*cough* Only on Intel *cough*

edit: also affects Ryzen too apparently
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#7
jmcslob
I feel like this is a patch to a patch that another patch fuckered up.
My install is 2 months old and I feel like Microsoft has seriously fucked me over!!!
I have issues with Killer network drivers...my mouse falls under browsers and then they lock up but the PC doesn't.. It turns white-ish with the not responding message.
But it plays online games just friggin fine... Until it doesn't... Sometimes in the middle of a game I'll find myself on the desktop like I was there the whole time...

Getting seriously annoyed..
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#8
OneMoar
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jmcslob said:
I feel like this is a patch to a patch that another patch fuckered up.
My install is 2 months old and I feel like Microsoft has seriously fucked me over!!!
I have issues with Killer network drivers...my mouse falls under browsers and then they lock up but the PC doesn't.. It turns white-ish with the not responding message.
But it plays online games just friggin fine... Until it doesn't... Sometimes in the middle of a game I'll find myself on the desktop like I was there the whole time...

Getting seriously annoyed..
your issues have nothing todo with microsoft you have a hardware problem bud
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#9
er557
Could be one of a multitude of problems, hard or soft, definitely may be adjusted in configuration, such as hpet timer, bios settings and so forth.
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#10
moproblems99
Seems like the only 'news' not coming from the forums lately are press releases.
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#11
jsfitz54
jmcslob said:
I feel like this is a patch to a patch that another patch fuckered up.
My install is 2 months old and I feel like Microsoft has seriously fucked me over!!!
I have issues with Killer network drivers...my mouse falls under browsers and then they lock up but the PC doesn't.. It turns white-ish with the not responding message.
But it plays online games just friggin fine... Until it doesn't... Sometimes in the middle of a game I'll find myself on the desktop like I was there the whole time...

Getting seriously annoyed..
Try this update KB4492978 // POST # 530 : https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/download-windows-10-th-rs.216164/page-22

Speed is back, anyway.
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#12
Athlonite
Manu_PT said:
Any news? Windows7 has almost half latency than windows10. Mouse behaviour is superior on win7 translation wise (closest to 1:1) anyone serious about online gaming dont use w10. Worst OS ever for gamets.
HAHA LOL maybe for older games that only require DX11 or less but try playing a newer AAA game that requires the use of DX12 as for mouse latency I have the same latency in Win7 as I do in Win10 for my Logitech G502 so maybe look at the software you're running for your mouse
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#13
R-T-B
ArbitraryAffection said:
*cough* Only on Intel *cough*
Nope. Spectre variant 2 affects both brands.
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#14
EntropyZ
Every so often Windows is getting more and more bloated with each update or iteration. Leave muh gaming performance alone damnit!

I remember Windows 7/8 Pro consuming around 0.7GB of RAM on my machines. Now it's almost 2GB on W10, for what? Why let some non-critical task consume CPU cycles. I don't get it. While it can be argued that having something running in the background improves responsiveness of said "apps". What if I don't ever use them?

You have proper 3rd party programs that are far more useful and use less system resources.

I sometimes wish I could cut the OS up and just keep what I need to run it. I'm sure this sounds like Linux probably. I'm not willing to deal with the lower gaming performance though.

Around the time Vista was released people were making their own versions of Windows XP for "gaming" that cut out the bloat or most likely haphazardly made registry edits that most users were completely unaware of what they do as those kinds of releases never had any proper documentation. I wonder why that isn't a thing anymore. You can make a cut-down W10, but that only goes so far.

I wonder a lot how much Windows can get faster if abstraction layers and what-not were replaced by a more efficient system. Because what it looks to me is something what is Bethesda Game Studios are doing... just piling more stuff on top of something that was purpose built, later on made into big project with new things but at the cost of efficiency.

I'm sure this sounds like another whiny post. If it does to you, move on.
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#15
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
EntropyZ said:
Every so often Windows is getting more and more bloated with each update or iteration. Leave muh gaming performance alone damnit!

I remember Windows 7/8 Pro consuming around 0.7GB of RAM on my machines. Now it's almost 2GB on W10, for what? Why let some non-critical task consume CPU cycles. I don't get it. While it can be argued that having something running in the background improves responsiveness of said "apps". What if I don't ever use them?

You have proper 3rd party programs that are far more useful and use less system resources.

I sometimes wish I could cut the OS up and just keep what I need to run it. I'm sure this sounds like Linux probably. I'm not willing to deal with the lower gaming performance though.

Around the time Vista was released people were making their own versions of Windows XP for "gaming" that cut out the bloat or most likely haphazardly made registry edits that most users were completely unaware of what they do. I wonder why that isn't a thing anymore. You can make a cut-down W10, but that only goes so far.

I wonder a lot how much Windows can get faster if abstraction layers and what-not were replaced by a more efficient system. Because what it looks to me is something what is Bethesda Game Studios are doing... just piling more stuff on top of something that was purpose built, made into big project with new things but at the cost of efficiency.

I'm sure this sounds like another whiny post. If it does to you, move on.
look here folks anouther person that doesn't understand how memory management works
unused ram is wasted ram
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#16
EntropyZ
OneMoar said:
look here folks anouther person that doesn't understand how memory management works
unused ram is wasted ram
It's better than starting to run into paging files on your physical drives. 3-5 years down the line even 16GB total might not be enough for some tasks. Hell I have games that run VRAM usage into the ground, only through 3rd party software I am offloading stuff into RAM, and when that runs out due to some people that don't care about memory limits. who's fault is that?


What if I need that unused RAM for something else?
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#17
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
EntropyZ said:
It's better than starting to run into paging files on your physical drives. 3-5 years down the line even 16GB total might not be enough for some tasks.
once again you don't understand how it works
if the memory is needed the processes will release it
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#18
EntropyZ
OneMoar said:
once again you don't understand how it works
if the memory is needed the processes will release it
Well I assume it can't give up all of it, I've seen it at work when I was struggling with 2GB's of RAM back in the day.

I like to have something done preemptively before I run into performance issues. You say it like memory management can solve all of the problems. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't do that much, especially with applications that are a hog or just poorly optimized. So I like to think I can cut corners somewhere else.
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#19
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
EntropyZ said:
Well I assume it can't give up all of it, I've seen it at work when I was struggling with 2GB's of RAM back in the day.

I like to have something done preemptively before I run into performance issues. You say it like memory management can solve all of the problems. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't do that much, especially with applications that are a hog.
its not 2001 anymore get up to speed on how modern memory management works
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#20
EntropyZ
OneMoar said:
its not 2001 anymore get up to speed on how modern memory management works
And where is that? Every popular source shows not that much has changed since then. I don't know where you are getting your information from. The basic systems and fallback methods seem to have little deviation on how modern versions of OSes do it.

Are you trying to tell me that OS level memory management is superior to what a user can do manually to avoid performance degradation completely? As I have run into problems all the time when maxed out as Windows memory allocator/management is struggling sometimes.

Why should I take the chance? Just cut-out the things I don't need in order to run something that I do need.
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#21
Vario
Manu_PT said:
Any news? Windows7 has almost half latency than windows10. Mouse behaviour is superior on win7 translation wise (closest to 1:1) anyone serious about online gaming dont use w10. Worst OS ever for gamets.
I love my 7.
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#22
moproblems99
OneMoar said:
once again you don't understand how it works
if the memory is needed the processes will release it
Um no. Processes don't release memory because another process requests some. It most certainly does not work that way. Windows may send some things to page file but processes do not.
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OneMoar
There is Always Moar
moproblems99 said:
Thanks for the link but I can't read it cuz adblocker.
use a better adblocker
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