Friday, March 8th 2019

Microsoft Confirms Latest Windows 10 Update May Decrease Performance in Certain Gaming Scenarios

Microsoft has confirmed that their latest Windows 10 update (KB4482887), which released on march 1st, can actually degrade graphics and mouse performance in some games. As Microsoft themselves put it, "After installing KB4482887, users may notice graphics and mouse performance degradation with desktop gaming when playing certain games (eg: Destiny 2)."

There's no word yet on a definitive listing of games that suffer this performance degradation, but Microsoft is hard at work fixing this for the next Windows release. Until then, users facing graphics and mouse performance degradation can simply uninstall the KB4482887 update.
Source: Windows 10 KB4482887 Update Page and Release Notes
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135 Comments on Microsoft Confirms Latest Windows 10 Update May Decrease Performance in Certain Gaming Scenarios

#51
Basard
The best part about Windows Update now is how it always starts at the most inconvenient times. I especially like how you have almost zero control over it. Also how it causes you to curse your ISP, or your games' servers for lag--until you remember how the convenient new method of updating never interrupts anything your doing. Because "Ask me when to download and install updates" was so much of a hassle--I'm so glad they got rid of that nuisance of a feature. I love Microsoft.
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#52
Nxodus
Basard said:
The best part about Windows Update now is how it always starts at the most inconvenient times. I especially like how you have almost zero control over it. Also how it causes you to curse your ISP, or your games' servers for lag--until you remember how the convenient new method of updating never interrupts anything your doing. Because "Ask me when to download and install updates" was so much of a hassle--I'm so glad they got rid of that nuisance of a feature. I love Microsoft.
no control over it? I don't know about other versions, but I can pause updates anytime in Win 10 Enterprise for a span of 1 month.
After every patch Tuesday I check my beloved Win specialists https://www.askwoody.com/ and if it's MS DEFCON 4 or higher I install them manually (by un-pausing updates)

Besides this, you can also set up Windows to install updates outside of active hours so I really don't get people complaining about Win updates
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#54
Miguel2013
it only affects gaming and only same games and microsoft is working on an update for this release not for the next windows release as poster said, I'm sure a fix will come out in 2 weeks. Gaming is a waste of time anyway, they're all programmed and coded etc and make u do certain mandatory tasks to get to a certain level is not free thinking is not natural is sketched. and some games like winning eleven 8 for pc which to me was the best soccer game ever still had a conspiracy to it, it will drop my skills performance for players in my team and no matter how good I was I lost matches that were rigged for fraud and my other friend on peslauncher said the same thing when I pointed this. In general don't play games they're lying to u and focus on learning science and math make programs that aren't rigged do 3d stuff like i do.

I'm just saying these games are programed to make u lose but then u think u can win by trying again and again and after a while u still can't win, then you become exausted and irritated, now is very easy to become adicted at this point specialy if u have low selfsteen, so stop playing games like halo or hmm what's the other one? fable jaja you're just getting sick in the head!
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#55
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
Nxodus said:
no control over it? I don't know about other versions, but I can pause updates anytime in Win 10 Enterprise for a span of 1 month.
After every patch Tuesday I check my beloved Win specialists https://www.askwoody.com/ and if it's MS DEFCON 4 or higher I install them manually (by un-pausing updates)
You’ve got Enterprise, I’ve got Pro, but consider this: most users have plain Jane home version, which literally gives zero control over updates. I notice this between my rig on Pro, where I delay feature updates nearly 9 months and regular updates 10 days. My HTPC uses W10 Home, and literally updates when it wants.
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#56
INSTG8R
My Custom Title
Nxodus said:
Great, I have the update installed. But didn't notice lag in Far Cry New Dawn
Ditto played some this morning. Ran the same as it always has.
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#57
ArbitraryAffection
Ferrum Master said:
So much sh** again in the posts.

It degrades Skylake and up arch. Older ones should be fine.
that doesn't make sense to me, i thought Skylake had better performance with fixes than older archs? or are the older archs just not as protected?
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#58
Nxodus
rtwjunkie said:
You’ve got Enterprise, I’ve got Pro, but consider this: most users have plain Jane home version, which literally gives zero control over updates. I notice this between my rig on Pro, where I delay feature updates nearly 9 months and regular updates 10 days. My HTPC uses W10 Home, and literally updates when it wants.
I've been avoiding home versions ever since I learned about the missing group policy editor feature the hard way in Windows 7:) If you like to tweak around in your OS it's always best to install ultimate or enterprise in this case. The update system is something I specifically researched before picking a Win 10 version.
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#59
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
ArbitraryAffection said:
that doesn't make sense to me, i thought Skylake had better performance with fixes than older archs? or are the older archs just not as protected?
I haven’t followed the fixes closely in awhile, but IIRC Haswell and below fixes are sporadic and don’t affect as much performance.

Nxodus said:
I've been avoiding home versions ever since I learned about the missing group policy editor feature the hard way in Windows 7:) If you like to tweak around in your OS it's always best to install ultimate or enterprise in this case. The update system is something I specifically researched before picking a Win 10 version.
And that’s why I went with Pro on my own rig. Most users though, are not of the same thinking. They either buy the cheapest version or upgraded from the home version they had of W7 or 8.1.
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#60
Readlight
Every day need to sufer from slow os and bad made, slow game for my pc.
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#61
Mayclore
I don't think I've noticed anything untoward happening in my games on this patch, although I have noticed that the most recent 19H1 builds feel snappier overall. Hopefully that carries over to the full release version.
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#62
Ferrum Master
Mayclore said:
I don't think I've noticed anything untoward happening in my games on this patch, although I have noticed that the most recent 19H1 builds feel snappier overall. Hopefully that carries over to the full release version.
Retpoline is baked in the kernel for those, that's why.

Also the GPU driver is not compiled with retpoline aware compiler. Althou there is WDDM2.6 421.65 for nvidia, that one could be, and everything should be fine.
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#63
Tsukiyomi91
I love how folks here bashing the air when it's their own fault for upgrading to Windows 10 Home because it's "free", instead of "I have no choice" BS. Since there are cheap legit keys for the Pro editions, might as well go get it while you can & then defer all those updates, tweak the OS & turn off all the settings to get back some control from Microsoft.
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#64
u2konline
That's why i use windows 7 64bit. no problems
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#65
trparky
u2konline said:
That's why i use windows 7 64bit. no problems
But again, Windows 7 support is ending in a year. What will you do then?
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#66
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
people are missing the point that retpoline accually substantially improves performance in workloads where the spectre fixes hurt performance

<div class="youtube-embed" data-id="ZfxXjDQRpsU"><img src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZfxXjDQRpsU/hqdefault.jpg" /><div class="youtube-play"></div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfxXjDQRpsU" target="_blank" class="youtube-title"></a></div>

whats going on is some apps that are incorrectly written rely on speculative execution and are taking a hit when retpoline comes along and stuffs a big old infinate loop in the pipeline

https://support.google.com/faqs/answer/7625886
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#67
Vayra86
Ferrum Master said:
I don't when really it sat off... but you can.


This. People grossly overstate the evil Microsoft ways, they listen, they respond, and they usually implement things in a pretty smart way.

This topic... case in point. 90% assumptions somehow turn into facts over here, that are complety unsubstantiated 'I believe, I assume, it feels like'. In the meantime, I don't notice a god damn thing... even in competitive online play.

trparky said:
But again, Windows 7 support is ending in a year. What will you do then?
Exactly. This is nothing other than the Windows XP veterans who keep using an old OS because they're scared of change. But still cling to Windows, for some weird reason.
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#68
u2konline
trparky said:
But again, Windows 7 support is ending in a year. What will you do then?
Continue to use the OS.
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#69
Vario
trparky said:
But again, Windows 7 support is ending in a year. What will you do then?
8.1
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#70
trparky
u2konline said:
Continue to use the OS.
From a security point of view... NOT A GOOD IDEA!!!
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#71
TheinsanegamerN
trparky said:
From a security point of view... NOT A GOOD IDEA!!!
From a security point of view, using computers is NOT A GOOD IDEA!!!

Besides, in the age of adblockers, pi-holes, and constantly updated browsers, infections are becoming far rarer of a problem then in years past. OS updates are very important, yes, but by blocking ad networks the primary attack vector for computer viruses has long been cut off.
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#72
trparky
Until of course something like what happened with Google Chrome where they found a way to escape the sandbox and exploit the kernel.
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#73
ArbitraryAffection
u2konline said:
That's why i use windows 7 64bit. no problems
no DX12 is a huge killer for me. 7 was a great os but it;s time to move on. I was extremely autistic when 8 came out, swore by 7. then 8,1 cam out and i switched. I didn't favour it but it was a decent os. when 10 came out i never looked back. IMO 10 is better in every way (except making a decent network bridge lmao). Old technology needs to die so technology can move on. Some people still using XP today lol.. I got my w10 Pro key for a tenner on amazon btw
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#74
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
I firewall windows 7 machines into the ground at work
if you continue to use windows 7 now you are a idiot and should be banned from the internet you are a danger to your self and everybody else
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#75
Vayra86
TheinsanegamerN said:
From a security point of view, using computers is NOT A GOOD IDEA!!!

Besides, in the age of adblockers, pi-holes, and constantly updated browsers, infections are becoming far rarer of a problem then in years past. OS updates are very important, yes, but by blocking ad networks the primary attack vector for computer viruses has long been cut off.
Compare this to real life. It also contains risks, but we do our best to mitigate them as much as we feel is necessary and possible. That mitigating also comes from knowledge and experience about the world around us. Computer security is no different, it evolves and we usually do a pretty decent job at mitigating most of the nasty stuff. Willingly using outdated OS and connecting to the internet is like driving a car without safety belts and airbags - you may crash, and if you do, you get the full effect of it. It all depends on the driver and the analogy even goes further - your safe driving affects everyone else on the road.

OneMoar said:
I firewall windows 7 machines into the ground at work
if you continue to use windows 7 now you are a idiot and should be banned from the internet you are a danger to your self and everybody else
Depends on the setting you use it in, but yes, generally speaking...
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