Sunday, May 26th 2019

Intel Pushes the Panic Button with Core i9-9900KS

With 7 nm AMD Ryzen 3000 processor family expected to make landfall early-July, and "Ice Lake" nowhere in sight, a panicked Intel announced the development of the Core i9-9900KS 8-core/16-thread LGA1151 processor. Based on the 14 nm "Coffee Lake Refresh" silicon, this processor has a base-frequency of 4.00 GHz, up from 3.60 GHz of the original; and an all-core Turbo Boost frequency of 5.00 GHz, identical to the original i9-9900K, which has its max-turbo set at 5.00 GHZ, too. A revamped Turbo Boost algorithm is expected to yield significant gains in multi-core performance. The company didn't reveal TDP, pricing, or availability.
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170 Comments on Intel Pushes the Panic Button with Core i9-9900KS

#76
lexluthermiester
jaggerwild
Does Amd have quad channel memory with there new yet to hit the streets CPU?
The new entry's in the TR series will.
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#78
uuuaaaaaa
Chloe Price
Emergency Edition, long time no see!
I still have a socket 478 P4 3.4EE Gallatin paired with an IC7-MAX3, one of the original Emergency Edition cpu's :P
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#79
shaolin95
R-T-B
Pretty much. That, and words like "panic" bug me because they pander to sensationalism rather than good journalism (outside of editorials anyhow). But meh, the modern web has lower standards I think.

As I recently told w1zzard, it bugs me, but I totally get why he has editors doing it. Adapt or die, as they say.
Indeed..they are just pandering to the butthurt amd fanboys.
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#80
GoldenX
shaolin95
Indeed..they are just pandering to the butthurt amd fanboys.
Butthurt Intel fanboy detected. Here, have another Skylake refresh/rename.
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#81
junglist724
Zubasa
Doesn't matter, there will still me plenty of people who insist Intel is more stable or more security etc.:roll:
FYI Intel is still milking record profits.
This chip is not even a penny cheaper.
Yeah it's gonna take years of being ahead in outright performance, price/performance and performance/watt for AMD to get any significant mindshare. The people in charge of IT budgets know nothing about IT.
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#82
lexluthermiester
junglist724
Yeah it's gonna take years of being ahead in outright performance, price/performance and performance/watt for AMD to get any significant mindshare.
Rubbish. AMD is already making inroads to Intel's enterprise business and that will only increase with the next gen TR.
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#83
junglist724
lexluthermiester
Rubbish. AMD is already making inroads to Intel's enterprise business and that will only increase with the next gen TR.
They're still not going to get majority market share any time soon. Sure they've increased market share by over 1300% since 2016, but 13 x nothing is still nothing.

Estimates are 10% by 2020. So yeah, it's gonna take years.

I've gotten my boss to switch to 100% AMD on server purchases since Naples came out but we're a small business and she takes my word on hardware configs 100% of the time. I even tried to get threadripper workstations, but guess what, there's literally zero 1st party threadripper workstations with proper SLAs.

There's a huge difference between the people in charge of spending money and the people browsing this site, as you've just proved.
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#84
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
R-T-B
Pretty much. That, and words like "panic" bug me because they pander to sensationalism rather than good journalism (outside of editorials anyhow). But meh, the modern web has lower standards I think.

As I recently told w1zzard, it bugs me, but I totally get why he has editors doing it. Adapt or die, as they say.
"5 reasons i9-9900KS is secretely terrible for the consumer"
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#85
Vario
Getting tired of these sensationalist titled articles.
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#86
r9
This is for the people who buy pentiums and i3s, they google what processors is best for gaming and it will say i9-9900KS and they not gonna be able to afford it so they gonna ignore the Ryzen CPUs and think that Intel is all around better choice for games at any price range.
lynx29
Nah, if they were pushing the panic button they would lower prices.
That's on the way too once Ryzen 2 becomes available.
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#87
Mussels
Moderprator
r9
This is for the people who buy pentiums and i3s, they google what processors is best for gaming and it will say i9-9900KS and they not gonna be able to afford it so they gonna ignore the Ryzen CPUs and think that Intel is all around better choice for games at any price range.
thats how this stuff works, people read somewhere what 'the best' is, and go for something cheaper from that brand
This is how apple works, by not having cheaper options most of the time so people cough up the exepensive one for fear of missing out
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#88
R-T-B
GoldenX
Butthurt Intel fanboy detected. Here, have another Skylake refresh/rename.
Why can't we all just I don't know, not be fanboys?
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#89
95Viper
How about this... Stay on Topic
Stop calling others fanboys (or any variation of the word).
Stop the this versus that troll posting.
If it does not contribute to the topic... don't post it.
Be civil to one another.
The mods and staff cannot be everywhere... so report the problem, do not post a reply and become a problem.

Thank You.
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#90
Prima.Vera
Is it Intel going to support PCIE 4.0 anytime soon for their "consumers" market?
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#91
GoldenX
But I love pointing out all kind of fanboys... Sorry, you're right, it's wrong, let's stay on topic.
Prima.Vera
Is it Intel going to support PCIE 4.0 anytime soon for their "consumers" market?
I guess they eventually would. Not sure how they aren't a part of it since day 1 thou.
They could have launched a new chipset with PCIe 4 support on it and leave the native CPU/SoC support for later.
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#92
lexluthermiester
Mussels
people cough up the expensive one for fear of missing out
That is thinking for sheep. Dumb sheep. Smart people use critical thinking, logic and reason to make purchasing decisions. They do their due diligence and research before spending $500, to say nothing of $1000 or $5000.

Likewise, smart people do research before making potentially expensive decisions on PC purchases, or parts for same. Even people who have money to burn, if they're smart, carefully consider what to buy and how much to spend on any given part.
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#93
ArchStupid
Nkd
lol 200w tdp? Intel already runs around their TDP number, which is only the base clock. I think 9900k standard runs way above its rated TDP on all core turbo. I am sure fanboys will just hide behind their fantasy TDP number lol. Ryzen 9 3900x is day one purchase for me! Sold my 9900k in anticipation few weeks ago.
Absolutely ridiculous comment.
You've most likely made that story up about selling your 9900K, otherwise you're truly lost.
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#94
kapone32
I find it funny that Intel only announced this part just before Computex. It was also funny that every Youtuber focused on AMD from Zen2 to Navi to X570. If Ryzen was 10% slower than the 9700K in games would not a 13% increase in IPC translate into better frames. The other thing is that the maximum you could get on Ryzen was 4.3 GHZ for most chips. Would not the jump in clockspeed also translate into gains?
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#95
metalkhor
lynx29
Nah, if they were pushing the panic button they would lower prices.
This is what intel do every time they facing a treat. they wont lower the price because if they cut the prices a little it wont affect the market and if they lower their prices dramatically it would be eventually a confess that they were robbing you all these years and it also drop the price expectation for permium cpu in consumer mind and it would be very hard to push the prices backup. intel spend years of monopoly in the market to build this price scheme and this huge profit margin. they will not lose the situation easily. cutting company's profit margin will only accelerate their down fall. market will act as buffer and intel will continue to outsell amd for at least 4 more quarters and keeping profit margin as high as possible will help them to bring in the money they are desprately need for R&D to make fast and powerfull comeback if there gonna be one.
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#96
ToxicTaZ
October 2018 9900K became the fastest Gaming 8 cores on the planet.

9 months later AMD releases the 3800X 8 cores witch outperforms Intel 9900K. Intel doesn't want to lose their fastest 8 cores PC Gaming crown so their releaseing basically Cherry Picked high yielding 9900K and changed to higher multipliers and called it the 9900KS.

9900KS should be slightly faster than 3800X but higher cost and higher power levels 95w base to 195w Turbo. Nevertheless a guy could swop out there 2 years old 8700K on Z370 board and drop in a 9900KS witch is the last CPU for the 300 series boards.

AMD has Zero competition against the 3900X 12 cores from Intel till Q4 2019 with a faster upcoming 10 cores on new socket and 400 series boards that are not backwards compatible with 8th & 9th generation CPUs.

I myself have an 8700K @5.1GHz Cooled by EK I could swop out my 8700K for 9900KS to see how much headroom is left?? 5.2GHz-5.3GHz on my setup...
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#97
lexluthermiester
ToxicTaZ
I myself have an 8700K @5.1GHz Cooled by EK I could swap out my 8700K for 9900KS to see how much headroom is left?? 5.2GHz-5.3GHz on my setup...
That would be a waste of money, even if you have it to burn. The performance difference will be marginal at best..
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#98
lynx29
lexluthermiester
That would be a waste of money, even if you have it to burn. The performance difference will be marginal at best..
yep agreed. the only real upgrade here would be i decide to retire my laptop gaming for full desktop - 4 cores at 2.9ghz to 12 cores 24 threads at 4.7ghz.. that would be a big big upgrade for me... I am considering it, but I am not sure.
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#99
Midland Dog
Nkd
lol 200w tdp? Intel already runs around their TDP number, which is only the base clock. I think 9900k standard runs way above its rated TDP on all core turbo. I am sure fanboys will just hide behind their fantasy TDP number lol. Ryzen 9 3900x is day one purchase for me! Sold my 9900k in anticipation few weeks ago.
at least u didnt sell ur car for a 7960x
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#100
Vlada011
Every normal person who used on Intel platform and have some of newer generations with DDR4 know that now is bad time for buying Intel processors.
They done every single move except to develop new core and can't battle any more with Intel Core vs Zen Core.

You should stop to buy processors looking Cinebench Multi Score because they manipulate with you on two ways, with frequency and more cores.
When you see that new core is 50% faster then previous then it's time for upgrade. But before that you need to do one thing or again you will be under influence of manipulation.
You should use average OC frequency on previous and new generation. Or if you don't do that you could measure single core of i7-5960X on 3.0GHz with new Intel on 5.0GHz.
One can OC 100MHz, and other can OC 1500MHz. On that way they still your money.

Intel didn't know that Zen cores will show up or Turbo frequency of i7-5960X would be 4.2GHz and reviews would be 30% better or more automatically.
Later they fix that, but now because much newer type of core that's not enough any more.
They try with customization to make car/cpu 10 years old competitive with new one and you pay additional parts, new wheels, turbo chargers, modifications, try to make him lighter and more faster and additional parts cost two times more then new car.
Cinebench multi is not relevant for upgrading, or 198 ws 175 single thread. Need to be 300cb vs 200cb example.
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