Sunday, May 26th 2019

Intel Pushes the Panic Button with Core i9-9900KS

With 7 nm AMD Ryzen 3000 processor family expected to make landfall early-July, and "Ice Lake" nowhere in sight, a panicked Intel announced the development of the Core i9-9900KS 8-core/16-thread LGA1151 processor. Based on the 14 nm "Coffee Lake Refresh" silicon, this processor has a base-frequency of 4.00 GHz, up from 3.60 GHz of the original; and an all-core Turbo Boost frequency of 5.00 GHz, identical to the original i9-9900K, which has its max-turbo set at 5.00 GHZ, too. A revamped Turbo Boost algorithm is expected to yield significant gains in multi-core performance. The company didn't reveal TDP, pricing, or availability.
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170 Comments on Intel Pushes the Panic Button with Core i9-9900KS

#52
Valantar
cucker tarlson
9900KFC with edram like 5775C.It'll fry your chickens too.
AnandTech: Playing Chicken: Kentucky Fried Intel Core i9-9900KFC Processor Listed. 2/15/19.

vprem
[Madly incoherent rant where every second word is in quotes for some reason]
What on earth are you on about?
Edit: I tried re-reading that. Still don't have the foggiest idea what you're trying to say. Is it at all related to the topic? It certainly doesn't look that way, though frankly I can't tell. Also, please stop putting every second word in quotes. It makes no sense.
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#53
Vayra86
Valantar
AnandTech: Playing Chicken: Kentucky Fried Intel Core i9-9900KFC Processor Listed. 2/15/19.


What on earth are you on about?
Edit: I tried re-reading that. Still don't have the foggiest idea what you're trying to say. Is it at all related to the topic? It certainly doesn't look that way, though frankly I can't tell. Also, please stop putting every second word in quotes. It makes no sense.
One flew over the cuckoo's nest comes to mind.
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#54
Xzibit
ViperXTR

His video was better

LTT: I need to buy AMD stock. NOW.
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#55
EDK-OZMA
So the next one will be 9900KSFC
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#56
Tomgang
Yawn. So basic a binned factory overclock i9 9900K and properly to a higher price as well. Knowing intels price politic.

If that's the case, no thanks. Intel get your ass together and release some 10 or 7 nm chips. 14 nm is so last season now. What is it now 14 nm++++ or some thing like that:shadedshu:
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#57
B-Real
lynx29
Nah, if they were pushing the panic button they would lower prices.
Yes, that's why twice more AMD products are sold than Intel. :DDDDDDD

dicktracy
A slight clock bump on the same product is hardly a panic... and for Intel users, Zen 2 would be a side-grade at best for gaming. I'm still sitting here waiting for something to blow away those ancient Skylake cores out of the water but Zen 2 doesn't look like that candidate and desktop Ice Lake is delayed LMAO. All in all, there is still no big performance leap for CPUs in 2019.
LOL. 3700x has the same gaming performance as the 9700K and the 3800X has the same as the 9900K. And saying that is a "side-grade at best" means it is much better multi-thread-wise for less money. And don't forget you could only get the extra power of Intel CPU with the RTX 2080 Ti in FHD, which 0,01% of the gamers use - maybe. Any other card on that resolution, or 2080 Ti on 1440P or above wipes the difference between an Intel and a pre-Zen2 Ryzen.
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#58
Ravenas
What’s amazing to me is that AMD started 4 years ago as a 1 billion dollar market cap company on the verge of bankruptcy.


Today they are worth ~30x that in market capitalization, and causing significant competition and disruption in the market (as can be seen by the arguements in this thread) versus a 200 billion + dollar market cap company with a processor market share at 90% just 4 years ago.

Granted none of this would be possible if they weren’t fabless, but being in the fab business seems to be what is holding Intel back. Makes everyone come to a moment of Zen (play on words) when thinking about why Apple hasn’t purchased a fab.
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#59
Manu_PT
B-Real
Yes, that's why twice more AMD products are sold than Intel. :DDDDDDD



LOL. 3700x has the same gaming performance as the 9700K and the 3800X has the same as the 9900K. And saying that is a "side-grade at best" means it is much better multi-thread-wise for less money. And don't forget you could only get the extra power of Intel CPU with the RTX 2080 Ti in FHD, which 0,01% of the gamers use - maybe. Any other card on that resolution, or 2080 Ti on 1440P or above wipes the difference between an Intel and a pre-Zen2 Ryzen.
Does it? Do you have benchmark numbers? Because amd only compared their chips to their old ones, not to Intel ones in gaming... so......
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#60
B-Real
Manu_PT
Does it? Do you have benchmark numbers? Because amd only compared their chips to their old ones, not to Intel ones in gaming... so......
Yes, they did.

"The second proc announced is the Ryzen 7 3800X. This processor has 8 Cores, 16 threads 4.5 GHz Boost and 3.9 GHz base clock frequencies. It has 36 MB total cache. It has been compared to a Core i9 9900K on stage. The proc ran the same perf as the 9900K in game. This proc will have a 105 Watt TDP. "
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#61
Manu_PT
B-Real
Yes, they did.

"The second proc announced is the Ryzen 7 3800X. This processor has 8 Cores, 16 threads 4.5 GHz Boost and 3.9 GHz base clock frequencies. It has 36 MB total cache. It has been compared to a Core i9 9900K on stage. The proc ran the same perf as the 9900K in game. This proc will have a 105 Watt TDP. "
Yeah they did on Pubg, the game where you hit a wall fps wise and can´t break it no matter what. Convenient comparasion.... but no gaming graphs vs Intel, I wonder why... only vs Zen+.
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#62
Tsukiyomi91
AMD's "slight disruption" not only made Intel panicked like hell but they also committed silly decisions.
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#63
systemBuilder
they did not announce pricing and availability because like their previous panic moves the availability might be none and the price might be infinity.
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#64
Ravenas
I think what should be eye popping is that Intel has basically stretched their 14nm process to the max with 9900ks. What more room is there over the next 3 years? Continued slight efficiency improvements? TSMC is now 7nm, over the next 3 years the sky is the limit. 3 years from now TSMC may be 5 nm.

Although, I continue to believe that Intel 14nm++ and TSMC 7nm are company defined. 7nm Intel is different than 7 nm TSMC. The valleys are defined and measure differently.
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#65
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
Tsukiyomi91
the TDP that the processors advertise isn't really accurate anyways... coz in the end, users wants to use 'em for many reasons. let the total system power draw be the deciding factor here.
Real world TDP is a quite important factor too, so you can know what level of cooling you need.
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#66
systemBuilder
Ravenas
What’s amazing to me is that AMD started 4 years ago as a 1 billion dollar market cap company on the verge of bankruptcy.
This is not really true AMD started Zen work in 2012. That's about the time when Intel fired all their CPU architects. Intel has its head up its ass thinking that Fab technology still runs the show. If they don't change their mind they are actually going to die as a company. The problem is that marketing morons are infesting the upper echelons of the company for the past 5 years and have no idea what is going wrong. They don't even have the brain power to understand what to do...
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#67
Ravenas
systemBuilder
This is not really true AMD started Zen work in 2012. That's about the time when Intel fired all their CPU architects. Intel has its head up its ass thinking that Fab technology still runs the show. If they don't change their mind they are actually going to die as a company. The problem is that marketing morons are infesting the upper echelons of the company for the past 5 years and have no idea what is going wrong. They don't even have the brain power to understand what to do...
I’m not talking about the work on the architecture, I’m talking about their company value 5 years ago.

I’m an engineer in my profession and education. I have worked at 2 different companies. I have always found that companies which rely on engineering where the rubber meets the road are better off when they have engineers running the business side as well.
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#68
StudMuffin
dicktracy
A slight clock bump on the same product is hardly a panic... and for Intel users, Zen 2 would be a side-grade at best for gaming. I'm still sitting here waiting for something to blow away those ancient Skylake cores out of the water but Zen 2 doesn't look like that candidate and desktop Ice Lake is delayed LMAO. All in all, there is still no big performance leap for CPUs in 2019.
Oh really? Blinded have you become, by Intel pixie dust! Hey! wake up out of your stupor, dood!
AMD just brought its newest and most narly Ryzen 3000 series 16 core/32 thread CPUs into its "mainstream" lineup, lol and only thing Intel has at that level, costs $2000.

AMD Ryzen 9 CPU With 16 Zen 2 Cores is faster than i9-9980XE

If you can sit there with a straight face and say that and yet cannot see AMD tearing Intel a new Ahole this time around with its Ryzen 3000 series, then you are indeed lost into Intel oblivion.

Not only will this particular Ryzen 9 3000 series chip allow for some amazing gaming perf but damn, gone are the days of saying "multi-core" CPUs are not needed for gaming, those 16 cores will sure be welcomed come next generation of consoles (PS5/Xbox Next), I bring this up because all these upcoming next-gen games will be built around Ryzen 3000 series CPUs...and we all know 99.999% of all PC games are "Ports" from the console versions. And unlike this generation of games where multi-core CPUs were pretty much underutilized besides 4 cores or so in most games, next gen will be a whole different story as they will be using up 8 cores at minimum and PC gamers will most definitely benefit by having "MORE" than 8 cores, make no mistake about it.

Try harder, dude
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#69
Melvis
Also comes with a liquid nitrogen bottle to cool the thing.
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#70
ensabrenoir
...got a Phantex Evolv waiting to do a new build in for your new boards and cpu's Amd....but please come up with some original naming/numbering....
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#71
Ravenas
Does anyone know the fab location of the 9900K?
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#72
medi01
cucker tarlson

Let me uncherrypick your cherry picks:




4k:



Yeah, baby. Perhaps going to 1080p and lower would help? Or, maybe, 480p? I mean, after all, tests were done using entry range 1080Ti. Try it.


StudMuffin
If you can sit there with a straight face and say that and yet cannot see AMD tearing Intel a new Ahole this time around with its Ryzen 3000 series, then you are indeed lost into Intel oblivion.
Perf wise, sure.
Marker share wise, Intel will still be the dominant player after all the dust settles, even if this situation will stay for more than 12 month.
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#73
cucker tarlson
medi01
Let me uncherrypick your cherry picks:




4k:



Yeah, baby. Perhaps going to 1080p and lower would help? Or, maybe, 480p? I mean, after all, tests were done using entry range 1080Ti. Try it.



Perf wise, sure.
Marker share wise, Intel will still be the dominant player after all the dust settles, even if this situation will stay for more than 12 month.
It's not the resolution but testing place mainly.
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#74
jaggerwild
So tired of the FAN boy posting that highjack every Intel thread, and the mods just ignore it. Does Amd have quad channel memory with there new yet to hit the streets CPU?
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#75
GoldenX
The 9900KS is not quad channel, and it seems you have never heard of Threadripper.
Shilling is a bad thing, on both sides.

Plus anyone can see that this is as bad of a joke as those FX 9590.
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