Friday, June 28th 2019
Leaked 3DMark Time Spy Result shows Radeon RX 5700 XT matching GeForce RTX 2070
Reviewers should have received their Radeon "Navi" review samples by now, so it's just natural that the number of leaks is increasing. WCCFTech has spotted one such leak in the 3DMark Time Spy database. The card which is just labeled "Generic VGA" achieved a final score of 8575 points, GPU score of 8719 and 7843 CPU points, which is almost identical to WCCFTech's own comparison benchmarks for the GeForce RTX 2070 Founders Edition (8901). The Vega 64 scored 7427, which leads WCCFTech to believe this must be Radeon RX 5700 XT. The result has since been removed from the 3DMark database, which also suggests it's for an unreleased product.
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WCCFTech
69 Comments on Leaked 3DMark Time Spy Result shows Radeon RX 5700 XT matching GeForce RTX 2070
AMD Navi $449 is way to expensive - for the lacking RT Features and only GTX1070Ti / GTX1080 Custom OC Performance level - like what Nvidia offered with powerfull 16nm Pascal GPU's in 2016 !!!
AMD Industrie & Driver Support is not existing today for RTRT - like Nvidia's RTX (DXR) Industrie Standard with CUDA-X with dedicated RT & Tensor Cores in Hardware !!!
AMD DXR Hardware is not existing and more than a year and x-month away .... Lisa Su say to Analysts << We at AMD working on it >> .... ;( big ROFL - with all the AMD Marketing & RayTracing PR Stunts - few month ago !!!
AMD DXR Driver not existing - NOT for Navi (RDNA) and NOT for GCN Vega / Vega20 Rebrandeon (7nm) .... even NOT for PS5 & XBox Scarlett - PR facepalm (end of 2020 maybe) !!!
All the Big Players for Cg / VFX, Movie & Commercials, 3D CAD Design, Architecture & Healthcare - just all the NEW Visual Effects importance and demanding VFX Graphics Solutions & Game Engines like Unreal Engine, Unity, Frostbite & CryEngine with broad industy Support for Vulkan, Microsoft DXR and Nvidia OptiX - All are working already with Nvidia Quadro RTX & Geforce RTX Graphics cards ....
AMD is always "to late at the game" - 18,8% market share and falling .... Anybody remember AMD FuryX with HBM1 - AMD's "Overclocker Dream" in late Summer 2015?
AMD's NAVI 5700 / XT @ 7nm TSMC .... is DOA (Dead on arrival) against Nvidia's powerfull RTX Turing & new released SUPER RTX Highend 12nm Graphics cards ....
NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super 40% Faster than AMD Radeon 5700 XT in Final Fantasy XV
www.techquila.co.in/nvidia-rtx-2070-super-vs-amd-radeon-5700-xt/
wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-5700-and-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-super-gpu-benchmarks-leak/
www.tweaktown.com/news/66438/asus-incredible-33-geforce-rtx-super-cards-coming/index.html
www.tweaktown.com/news/66439/gigabyte-plans-huge-69-different-geforce-rtx-super-cards/index.html
Yes .... but AMD have 1 (ONE) $499 - the 50th Anniversary Gold Edition RX 5700 XT - for all Dummy's with minimal OC ( + $50 for AMD's Factory OC / only 75 MHz plus = 4% increase over the regular Radeon RX 5700 XT card )
AMD will Celebrates 50th Anniversary with .... bling-bling .... ‘Gold Edition’ - FAIL ;o)
No one is buying AMD Navi Card's for more than $299 Dollars .... with lacking important Microsoft DXR / RT Features for Cyberpunk 2077, Control, Watch Dogs: Legion and Call of Duty and many more: >>> www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/06/11/nvidia-rtx-ray-tracing-dlss-games-confirmed-2/
Note: Nearly 90% of PC games are developed on either Unity or Unreal, so the fact that ray tracing tech is baked into the game engines makes it that much easier for game studios to leverage the technology. NVIDIA mentioned that its goal was to minimize the amount of time and effort it requires to build games that offer real-time ray tracing, and integrating the technology into two of the world's largest game engines goes some way toward alleviating those issues.
Oh and not pay too much attention to these early benches with scarce information, wait for legit reviews. FFXV is especially bias towards NVIDIA.
I upgraded in 2018 from a EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 GAMING to an MSI GeForce RTX 2080 TI Seahawk EK X ( Core 2100 / 8200 MHz GDDR6 ) @ 42°C to fullfill all my 4K & CUDA Coding needs.
Damn Yes .... and it's over 116% faster than an Vega64 .... in 4K and have cool CUDA & HW RayTracing 'RTX' Features - Thank you Jensen for such a good GeForce RTX Turing Produkt in 2018. I will buy Ampere @7nm EUV (Turing 2nd Gen) in 2020 for sure - old Nvidia (used) GeForce graphics cards are so much more Price stable - than AMD Products.
AMD Vega64 .... Mid 2018 market price over $860 >>> today only crappy $298!
When it comes to raytracing, we have to remember it's still a niche feature, not an essential feature. It will be hard to guess if it matters for cards from 2019 in a couple of years, perhaps they will be replaced before raytracing becomes "practically useful"? I'm a big fan of the technology, but not convinced by the applications of it yet.Yes, most games are made with "off the shelf" game engines, but these universal game engines usually offers poor performance compared to the graphically fidelity. We've seen many of these tech demos for years with Unreal, but it usually takes a while before some games use it properly. And for Unity; 99% of stuff from Unity is trash, and let us leave it there.
ALL of them (GCN) Radeon 7 / Vega56/64 & Navi RX 5700 / RX 5700 XT .... and even FuryX with 4GB HBM1 - NO RTRT (MS DXR & Vulkan) Ray-Tracing Gaming Features in Hardware - till 2020 !
Total Radeon Technologies Group (RTG) - PR / Marketing & GPU Development Fail in 2018 / 2019 .... ;o)
'We at AMD - working on it - cuz Our Technology is NOT Ready' - LisaSu - Guess which Graphics Cards will Win all the Gamers hearts all over the World ....
NVIDIA GeForce RTX TURING - with RTX 2080 SUPER / RTX 2080 - RTX 2070 SUPER / RTX 2070 - RTX 2060 SUPER / RTX 2060 and GTX 1660 Ti & GTX 1660 .... or AMD RTG Navi10 with RX 5700 /XT ?!?
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 / 101'079 User Benchmarks .... vs. .... AMD Radeon VII / 2'287 User Benchmarks - almost Factor 50X more sold Nvidia GPUs - and with GeForce RTX SUPER rising ....
gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070-vs-AMD-Radeon-VII/4029vs4035
But back on topic, let's say raytracing becomes gradually more important over the next two years. Even so, I would argue that AMD's overall performance and performance per watt problem is a much larger concern. If they got to choose; some essential type of accelerated raytracing or make the architecture generally more competitive with Nvidia, I believe they should focus on the latter. Raytracing is not a deal breaker in the short term, but it will be down the road.
We must not forget that Navi lanuching this month is going to compete with the more advanced Turing architecture, which is already half-way through its lifecycle. And what does AMD have for next year? Potentially a little larger Navi. And however the core of second iteration of Navi is configured, it will still have the performance characteristics of Navi. And by the time it launches, Nvidia will have launched or will be about to launch Turing's successor on 7nm.
:banghead::fear: Navi20 .... will perform so much better in 2020 .... for only TAM $299 - just wait a bit .... cheap AMD tech - AMD for the Gamerz ^^
AMD went from rebranding GPUs - to rebranding micro architectures ....
Polaris 10: 36 CUs (GCN) :180W+ :14nm
Navi 10 : 40 CUs (RDNA) : 225W+ : 7nm
BTW: RDNA (1st Gen) is still using GCN Instruction... what on earth are they hoping for? Some new PR miracles in Radeon Technologies Group (RTG) .... Raja Koduri goes on Sabbatical .... @ INTEL :roll: Xe
225W for 40 CUs, just imagine ~64 CUs.From the looks of it, it seems like AMD just intend to keep doing very small iterations of GCN, but rebranded as "RDNA" now.
And the problem isn't what they call it, nor that they continue tweaking something, but the fact that the thing they are tweaking is falling further and further behind every iteration. Turing is ~2x as efficient as Vega, and AMD got very little from their node shrink, while Nvidia still have a node shrink up their sleeve. By the time big Navi is trying to go beyond RTX 2080, the market is way past that. For every iteration of GCN, we've heard that the next one is going to beat Nvidia, and then Nvidia shows up with something even better.
Now, Imagine what Nvidia NEW (Samsung) 7nm EUV GPU Architecture (2nd Gen) DL Tensor- & RT-Cores will do .... in all HPC / Professional Visualization & of course Gaming Segments :peace: ....
100% AMD Horror .... for GCN & RDNA!
AMD HW Ray Tracing isn't ready yet .... soon - End of 2020 maybe !
For AMD to become relevant again, they don't have to compete with Nvidia's entire lineup, but they have to have an architecture with a comparable efficiency. Right now, AMD isn't really even present in the mid-range (in terms of market share).
Nvidia have a 2x efficiency lead that AMD needs to reduce, and that wouldn't go away over night. AMD's next "architecture" isn't out until at least 2021, and in the meantime Nvidia will have a node shrink and their next architecture. Unfortunately I don't see anything on the horizon that will change the market anytime soon.
It took Intel several years of screwups before AMD managed to "catch up" in the CPU market, but that was with AMD at least trying very hard. In the GPU market their focus is on the gaming consoles, so even if they hoped for Nvidia to screw up for 2-3 years, AMD would probably not catch up even then.
Oh, hold on...This is why we can't have good things.Yeah. That 1% of games that support it and many RTX 2060 users disabling that gimmick anyway, surely is a major point.Like what greedia offered with "powerful 2070". for mere $499. Yay.Better imagine how much that would cost.
As for AMD, you might need to check the chip size (around 480/1060 levels) align it with high 7nm yield claims, and think about all the wonderful options that AMD has, positioning what, essentially, is something only mildly more expensive than 480 at twice the price.
AMD has more to offer than one can think. Maybe that's why NV is going G-Sync "compatible" (what a ruse btw, it is kinda funny :) ) now NV is releasing "Super" cards basically same thing with a little kick in the core count. Let's hope the price is there first :) Superior it is for the high end but anyway AMD has given them some stimulus with it's 5000 series cards.
With the RT sure. It is great when it works as it should which isn't happening more soon. Well you can always play Quake 2 which looks nice with RT if you get 2080TI for that purpose.
BTW. Having the RT not necessarily means you will use it because of the performance. So, what's the point for having it? AMD made the right choice not going for it by not taking NV's bait. Nice piece of technology which has been available for a decade or even more but still too early for this and not worth the effort for the developers. Maybe some day.
@ProPain, and nV's RT helped you personally how exactly ?