Tuesday, July 9th 2019

Custom Radeon RX 5700-series Only by Mid-August: AMD

In our reviews of the Radeon RX 5700 XT and RX 5700, we observed that while AMD made leaps with performance/Watt, the cards felt let down by the archaic lateral-blower cooling solution that hit up to 43 dBA at load, and with temperatures of the RX 5700 XT GPU reaching up to 92°C - unacceptable for a GPU that only draws 220 W. The reference cooler of the RX 5700 also exhibited some very strange fan-speed behavior at high temperatures. Much of our praise for the RX 5700-series was conditional to the hope that add-in-board (AIB) partners will innovate good cooling solutions that are quiet and keep the GPU cool. We have these custom-design graphics cards based on the two GPUs to look forward to, but according to a Reddit post by Scott Herkelman, who leads the Radeon brand at AMD, we might have to wait a little longer.

Herkelman stated that custom-design graphics cards based on the Radeon RX 5700 XT and RX 5700 will start hitting the shelves only by mid-August. He added that he is working with his team to get many of these custom-design cards in the hands of reviewers before that, so consumers have review data ahead of availability. He also acknowledged that the reference cooling solution is the biggest drawback of the reference design, and that he "liked the idea" of providing reference-design cards with dual-fan or triple-fan axial flow reference cooling solutions similar what NVIDIA provides with its Founders Edition cards.
Source: Scott Herkelman (Reddit)
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32 Comments on Custom Radeon RX 5700-series Only by Mid-August: AMD

#1
medi01
Boo...

But at least not end of Aug.
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#2
Raendor
Why is it always seems to be the case with amd cards? They release first their stock models and aibs always lag behind for months. Never is the case with nvidia releases.
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#3
dj-electric
Raendor, post: 4077496, member: 164683"
Why is it always seems to be the case with amd cards? They release first their stock models and aibs always lag behind for months. Never is the case with nvidia releases.
This is all about how much time AIBs have to make those and guess what...
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#4
Imsochobo
Raendor, post: 4077496, member: 164683"
Why is it always seems to be the case with amd cards? They release first their stock models and aibs always lag behind for months. Never is the case with nvidia releases.
it's the case with nvidia cards too most of the time, not for new sku's in existing lineups but at the start.
FE editions usually is alone for a month or so.
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#5
Dristun
"On shelves by mid-august" translates to me as "decent stock without a mark-up sometime in autumn."
One of the Super cards for me, then.
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#6
GoldenX
Bad decision, these aren't top of the line cards, custom designs should be here since day 1.
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#7
r.h.p
I thought the new ref cooler design on the XT would help ….:confused:
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#8
Raendor
Imsochobo, post: 4077507, member: 66457"
it's the case with nvidia cards too most of the time, not for new sku's in existing lineups but at the start.
FE editions usually is alone for a month or so.
Not true. AIB pascal cards were available at launch. That's how I got my initial 1080 in 2016 right away in May (Gigabyte Xtreme model). Same was when Turing launched - newegg and other sites had aib models immediately.
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#9
Midland Dog
AiB: were not gunna do amd stuff not worth it
AMD releases new cards
AIB: i guess we better make a few, maybe
Just goes to show where the confidence in the gpu market is, ill bet that AiBs would fight to the grave for nv dies
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#10
B-Real
Dristun, post: 4077512, member: 188250"
"On shelves by mid-august" translates to me as "decent stock without a mark-up sometime in autumn."
One of the Super cards for me, then.
Maybe wait for that mid August first.
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#11
Dristun
B-Real, post: 4077534, member: 170068"
Maybe wait for that mid August first.
I wanted to put up my first decent rig in years all the way back in February but Zen2 and Navi rumours got me waiting so I ended up with a 2400G as a stop gap. Tiiireeed of waiting!
Plus russian market is usually a bit late to the party and I need to buy something here before moving to Budapest right on the first of September. I checked the hardware prices there and they're insane, I'll save 15-20% by buying here.
So it's just my very specific circumstances.
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#12
z1n0x
*sigh*
I'm on the market for a new gpu, if they had a good axial fan reference card or custom AIB ready, i'd pull the trigger immediately.
But more than a month is a long time, i don't know if i'll be able to withhold, might end up with the Duper series, will see.
It's good they are recognizing the problem here, for their own sake i hope they sort it out for future releases.
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#13
rainzor
Midland Dog, post: 4077524, member: 168254"
AiB: were not gunna do amd stuff not worth it
AMD releases new cards
AIB: i guess we better make a few, maybe
Just goes to show where the confidence in the gpu market is, ill bet that AiBs would fight to the grave for nv dies
No. If sapphire or xfx not gonna do AMD stuff what are they gonna do?
Quit blaming AIBs, this is all on AMD and their execution. It's the same every launch.
Same with broken drivers or other random issues almost every time.
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#14
Midland Dog
rainzor, post: 4077574, member: 110430"
No. If sapphire or xfx not gonna do AMD stuff what are they gonna do?
Quit blaming AIBs, this is all on AMD and their execution. It's the same every launch.
Same with broken drivers or other random issues almost every time.
im not supporting rtg at all, quite the opposite, my point is all the major players in the aib industry literally couldnt care less about rtg releases, whereas as soon as a new nv card comes out aibs are all over it because nv is the leader in desktop graphics. RTG needs to be more competent before aibs will care at all about amd releases
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#15
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btarunr
He also acknowledged that the reference cooling solution is the biggest drawback of the reference design, and that he "liked the idea" of providing reference-design cards with dual-fan or triple-fan axial flow reference cooling solutions similar what NVIDIA provides with its Founders Edition cards.
THEN WHY THE EVERLOVING F**K DIDN'T YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, YOU MOUTH-BREATHER?

Imsochobo, post: 4077507, member: 66457"
it's the case with nvidia cards too most of the time, not for new sku's in existing lineups but at the start.
FE editions usually is alone for a month or so.
The difference is that the cooling solution on NVIDIA FE cards is something that people want to buy.
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#16
Midland Dog
navi would have been ok, if it wasnt a 250mm square furnace, the power density is wayyyy to high to be cooled by a blower
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#17
yakk
Sapphire, if you're this please give news on a Nitro+ version :)
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#18
Fouquin
Assimilator, post: 4077642, member: 7058"
THEN WHY THE EVERLOVING F**K DIDN'T YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, YOU MOUTH-BREATHER?
That is a really good question, because AMD has been sandbagging direct air reference coolers on their cards since 2013. Examples:

Alternative Tonga (285/380X) reference design:


Alternative Hawaii/Grenada (290X/390X) reference design:


Advertised Polaris 20 (RX 580/590) reference design:


And to top it off the actual heatsink on Navi (and Vega) is *puny* compared to AMD's previous 250W cooler designs, as shown below when you compare it to a reference Radeon HD 7970:


Literally had every chance to improve and they squandered it.
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#19
Imsochobo
Assimilator, post: 4077642, member: 7058"
The difference is that the cooling solution on NVIDIA FE cards is something that people want to buy.
Yes, but still I replied only to the "mid august" and why does it take so long.
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#20
Assimilator
Fouquin, post: 4077663, member: 157604"
That is a really good question, because AMD has been sandbagging direct air reference coolers on their cards since 2013. Examples:

Alternative Tonga (285/380X) reference design:
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Alternative Hawaii/Grenada (290X/390X) reference design:
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Advertised Polaris 20 (RX 580/590) reference design:
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And to top it off the actual heatsink on Navi (and Vega) is *puny* compared to AMD's previous 250W cooler designs, as shown below when you compare it to a reference Radeon HD 7970:
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Literally had every chance to improve and they squandered it.
Honestly I don't know why I keep expecting AMD to not royally screw up simple things. As you've so aptly demonstrated, they've had literally years to fix their blower idiocy, yet haven't. FFS, one of the biggest complaints at the R9 launch was that the blower was inadequate in every way, yet still they persist with it! It defies any and all logic!
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#21
HenrySomeone
LMAO, it's as if they actually tried their best to discourage the already few remaining people that are even still considering their sub-par offerings from buying them too... A solidly cooled 5700 at around 300$ would actually be nice mid range card, but they will f-it all up by providing nothing but dreadful blowers (even worse than past ones on top of that) for the first couple months, lol!
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#22
Arjai
Herkelman stated that custom-design graphics cards based on the Radeon RX 5700 XT and RX 5700 will start hitting the shelves only by mid-August. He added that he is working with his team to get many of these custom-design cards in the hands of reviewers before that, so consumers have review data ahead of availability. He also acknowledged that the reference cooling solution is the biggest drawback of the reference design, and that he "liked the idea" of providing reference-design cards with dual-fan or triple-fan axial flow reference cooling solutions similar what NVIDIA provides with its Founders Edition cards.

He is the head of the Radeon Graphics? If I was on Reddit, I would ask him what he actually does. One would think, he could have interviened if he regrets the blower design, no? Was he too busy on the yacht? Sad, really sad. Lisa pumping the Ryzen and Herkelman screwing the pooch.

Of the reviews on YouTube? Nearly every one says wait for the AIB's to put a decent cooler on it.

:lovetpu:
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#23
Divide Overflow
I don't bother giving AMD cards a serious look until the AIB boards work their custom cooling magic.
AMD's reference coolers are just a bad joke.
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#24
Totally
Divide Overflow, post: 4077961, member: 69232"
I don't bother giving AMD cards a serious look until the AIB boards work their custom cooling magic.
AMD's reference coolers are just a bad joke.
Same, reading the review it seemed like the card lost some performance from it trying to not cook itself.
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#25
HenrySomeone
Divide Overflow, post: 4077961, member: 69232"
I don't bother giving AMD cards a serious look until the AIB boards work their custom cooling magic.
AMD's reference coolers are just a bad joke.
Performance remains a bad joke regardless...
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