Tuesday, December 3rd 2019

AMD to Unveil Radeon RX 5500 XT and RX 5600 Series in December

AMD is expected to bolster its mid-thru-performance segments of graphics cards with a few new product announcements in December. To begin with, the Radeon RX 5500 XT, which maxes out the 24 RDNA compute units on the "Navi 14" silicon, could see an early-December announcement, possibly ahead of the mid-December release of the RX 5500 to the AIB (add-in board) retail channel. Next up, is the new RX 5600 series, which enables AMD to capture $200-$300 price-points, competing with the likes of the GeForce GTX 1660 Super and GTX 1660 Ti.

There's no word on how what silicon the RX 5600 series is based on, but VideoCardz reports that the series topping RX 5600 XT has 6 GB of GDDR6 memory across a 192-bit wide memory interface. We expect that the RX 5600-series will carved out of the "Navi 10" silicon by disabling many RDNA compute units and narrowing its memory bus. Given that the RX 5500 XT has 1,536 stream processors and the RX 5700 has 2,304, AMD's wiggle room is somewhere between the two, with stream processor counts of 2,048 or 1,920 being plausible for the RX 5600 XT, and 1,792 for the RX 5600, if it exists. Availability of the RX 5600 series is slated for January 2020.
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37 Comments on AMD to Unveil Radeon RX 5500 XT and RX 5600 Series in December

#1
fancucker
And then Nvidia will give the 1660 series price cuts to go in for the kill
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#2
acekombatkiwi1
fancucker
And then Nvidia will give the 1660 series price cuts to go in for the kill
nVidia don't do price cuts
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#3
djisas
No, they will do a 1660Ti super, now with faster memory and 5% more performance for...
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#4
dj-electric
Some info here seems incorrect, in technical details of core components.
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#5
Tegos
fancucker
And then Nvidia will give the 1660 series price cuts to go in for the kill
[Low quality post by fancucker]
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#6
kapone32
djisas
No, they will do a 1660Ti super, now with faster memory and 5% more performance for...
25% more price :)

When was the last time there was not an excited release from AMD? This really has me keen on the "big" Navi card(s). If the 5700XT (possibly the best price/performance current gen card) can beat the Vega 64 in just about every game out there the "big Navi" should be the undisputed king of AMD's stack.
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Darmok N Jalad
kapone32
25% more price :)

When was the last time there was not an excited release from AMD? This really has me keen on the "big" Navi card(s). If the 5700XT (possibly the best price/performance current gen card) can beat the Vega 64 in just about every game out there the "big Navi" should be the undisputed king of AMD's stack.
I just don’t get the hold up for “big Navi.” They need a halo product that shows they are able to offer top performance, but so far isn’t this product just a rumor?
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#8
kapone32
Darmok N Jalad
I just don’t get the hold up for “big Navi.” They need a halo product that shows they are able to offer top performance, but so far isn’t this product just a rumor?
I don't disagree "big Navi" was a rumour as soon as the 5700XT launched. The thing for me is that the 5500, 5300 and now 5500XT and 5600 were not in anyone's radar and are going to be real products in the near future. Though they do indeed need a halo product they are doing (in my opinion) the right thing by solidifying their base in the budget and mid tier segments of the market. That does not mean that AMD does not have something in the works as we speak. I really think that AMD would love to do to Nvidia what they are currently doing to Intel so we could indeed see something huge at CES or Computex in relation to GPUs.
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#9
_Flare
If it gets a 192bit interface, it´s most likely a cut down Navi10 with one whole Array deactivated, leading to 3x5 WGP = 2048 Cores
If overclocked it will most likely beat a Vega56 with about 150W total boardpower.
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#10
yakk
Didn't expect 6GB from AMD... :confused:

Guess Navi yields dictated it, but still disappointing.
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#11
InVasMani
djisas
No, they will do a 1660Ti super, now with faster memory and 5% more performance for...
Yeah that's more likely...faster binned memory and a bit more binned chip and the leftovers that don't make the cut will be further operated on and cut down into cheaper scrap pile GPU for OEM's or some sh*t where the customers don't get much choice and are already accustomed to being bent over.
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#12
R0H1T
djisas
No, they will do a 1660Ti super, now with faster memory and 5% more performance for...
Half an ounce of your liver?
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#13
ZoneDymo
no no no no and no again, lets move forward with performance per dollar, not stagnate.
These cards should not exist, neither should those stupid GTX1600 series crap.

Drop the damn price on the RTX2060 and 5700 etc back to what they should be, 250 - 300 dollar and lets move on ffs.
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#14
TechLurker
Darmok N Jalad
I just don’t get the hold up for “big Navi.” They need a halo product that shows they are able to offer top performance, but so far isn’t this product just a rumor?
If I had to guess, AMD might be skipping Big Navi on this first generation, and instead release with the second one (RDNA2 or Navi2 or whatever it's called for 2020), but with all the features that were desired (Integer scaling, raytracing, etc). It's too late now to release a 2080 Ti rival, as Nvidia is likely to release new GPUs in 2020 or at least, "Super Hyper Mega" versions of previous gen Supers. It would only be as big as an embarrassment as Vega 64 trying to show up as a 1080 Ti killer when 2080s and 2080 Tis exist or existed a short time later.

It wouldn't be too unexpected; the original Navi series being the first gen with kinks that need to be hammered out, and then diving all-in with refinements on Navi 2/RDNA2. There's also the fact that some of Navi resources were also tied up in console R&D for MS and Sony, so lessons learned from that plus the features that are coming out on console but not Navi 1 (at least, not yet, like raytracing) could apply to Navi 2.

Personally, I'd be happy if AMD could figure out how to Zen-fy their GPUs so that they can have one I/O die but 2 GPU cores allowing for MCM GPUs. Sure, power won't be great, but it would allow a new scaling segment while AMD figures out how to improve the GPU cores themselves to be more efficient. For example; 5500XT x2, 5600XT x2, and 5700XT x2 cards that harken back to the R9 295x2 and ASUS ARES series 2-in-1 GPUs with waterblocks, or the more conventional air-cooled 3 slot monstrosities similar to the custom card for Apple's new desktop or the R9 290X2.
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#15
efikkan
Darmok N Jalad
I just don’t get the hold up for “big Navi.” They need a halo product that shows they are able to offer top performance, but so far isn’t this product just a rumor?
Where does this rumor about "big Navi" even come from? I haven't been able to find a semi-credible source about it.
In the past years there were rumors about "big Polaris" and "big Vega" too, but none of those were true either, despite getting a lot of traction.

I doubt there is a "big Navi" coming for 1st gen Navi, since there is no evidence of it (that I know of) it probably means it either was cancelled long before the final stages, or it never existed in the first place. We'll see if there is something if a Navi refresh happens.

The problem with "big Navi", as I have mentioned before, is that it would probably consume ~300-350W, unless it runs at very low clock speeds. And Nvidia's new generation is coming "soon"…
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#16
R0H1T
It could simply be a function of yields & TSMC's capacity, AMD are still behind Apple/QC/Huawei in their pecking order. Heck even Nvidia might leapfrog them with 7nm chips.
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kapone32
efikkan
Where does this rumor about "big Navi" even come from? I haven't been able to find a semi-credible source about it.
In the past years there were rumors about "big Polaris" and "big Vega" too, but none of those were true either, despite getting a lot of traction.

I doubt there is a "big Navi" coming for 1st gen Navi, since there is no evidence of it (that I know of) it probably means it either was cancelled long before the final stages, or it never existed in the first place. We'll see if there is something if a Navi refresh happens.

The problem with "big Navi", as I have mentioned before, is that it would probably consume ~300-350W, unless it runs at very low clock speeds. And Nvidia's new generation is coming "soon"…
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3429199/amd-ceo-confirms-high-end-radeon-navi-graphics-cards-are-coming.html
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#18
efikkan
R0H1T
It could simply be a function of yields & TSMC's capacity, AMD are still behind Apple/QC/Huawei in their pecking order. Heck even Nvidia might leapfrog them with 7nm chips.
No, wafer supply agreements are done far in advance, plus Apple/QC/Huawei don't even use the same version of the 7nm node.
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#19
R0H1T
The lead times are what ~6 months for new products? As for node, I'm sure the node AMD uses for their GPU's doesn't have an unlimited capacity, fabs also upgrade their manufacturing capacity (depending on various orders) all the time. Unless you're saying the 7nm nodes used by Apple/QC/Huawei & now Nvidia is completely different & independent from anything AMD is using for Navi or Vega.
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#20
efikkan
R0H1T
The lead times are what ~6 months for new products?
Yeah, but that's assuming they have fully developed engineering samples.
It usually takes ~12-15 months from tapeout to launch, more if there are problems.
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#21
R0H1T
efikkan
Yeah, but that's assuming they have fully developed engineering samples.
I'm not sure about "reliable" leaks or rumors but I remember multiple ones (or probably multiple recycled ones) about big Navi. Not every QS or ES makes it onto the production line, the Chinese console with Zen APU was also "rumored" at some stage & it did launch albeit just in China.
efikkan
It usually takes ~12-15 months from tapeout to launch, more if there are problems.
That's what I'm assuming, AMD either couldn't make economic sense of big Navi much like Radeon VII &/or they needed large volumes + substantial demand to make it a profitable venture. Neither of which could be assured.
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#22
Assimilator
Launching December with release January, perfectly timed to miss Christmas *facepalm*. AMD sure knows how to pick the best time to launch their GPUs, maybe they're giving resellers the last chance to get rid of their old 580/590/Vega stock. (Sooo many of those cards available on Black Friday, it's almost like they don't sell...)

Also, 6GB memory... I assume all of the AMD fanbois who cried about NVIDIA using 6GB on RTX 2060 will be their usual hypocritical selves about AMD doing the same.

kapone32
The thing for me is that the 5500, 5300 and now 5500XT and 5600 were not in anyone's radar
Seriously? Why not? The actual model numbers maybe, but it was always guaranteed that there was going to be a smaller Navi(s) to serve the low and middle segments.
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#23
kapone32
Assimilator
Launching December with release January, perfectly timed to miss Christmas *facepalm*. AMD sure knows how to pick the best time to launch their GPUs, maybe they're giving resellers the last chance to get rid of their old 580/590/Vega stock. (Sooo many of those cards available on Black Friday, it's almost like they don't sell...)

Also, 6GB memory... I assume all of the AMD fanbois who cried about NVIDIA using 6GB on RTX 2060 will be their usual hypocritical selves about AMD doing the same.



Seriously? Why not? The actual model numbers maybe, but it was always guaranteed that there was going to be a smaller Navi(s) to serve the low and middle segments.
Right but I knew that too and as you said I was talking about the model numbers. There were guarantees that we will see a "big Navi" as well. It would surprise me for AMD not to be working on a high end Navi card right now. As I said before they may be making a big announcement at CES for their new GPUs. If the timeline is not right I would expect after Computex and before or on July 7 we may see the card(s) hit store shelves.
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Darmok N Jalad
efikkan
Where does this rumor about "big Navi" even come from? I haven't been able to find a semi-credible source about it.
In the past years there were rumors about "big Polaris" and "big Vega" too, but none of those were true either, despite getting a lot of traction.

I doubt there is a "big Navi" coming for 1st gen Navi, since there is no evidence of it (that I know of) it probably means it either was cancelled long before the final stages, or it never existed in the first place. We'll see if there is something if a Navi refresh happens.

The problem with "big Navi", as I have mentioned before, is that it would probably consume ~300-350W, unless it runs at very low clock speeds. And Nvidia's new generation is coming "soon"…
I think big Navi would be more likely than such a thing from Polaris or Vega because 7nm should allow for more transistors without a massive die, and the power budget also appears to be there. Vega and Polaris just didn’t have the efficiency.
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#25
medi01
ZoneDymo
Drop the damn price on the RTX2060 and 5700 etc back to what they should be, 250 - 300 dollar and lets move on ffs.
5700 is 300 dollar, ffs.
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