Friday, January 31st 2020

ASUS Revises RX 5700-series TUF Gaming with Axial Tech Fans and New Heatsink Underneath

ASUS today rolled out the TUG Gaming X3 Radeon RX 5700-series EVO graphics cards. These include the SKUs "TUF 3-RX5700-O8G-EVO-GAMING" for the RX 5700, and "TUF 3-RX5700XT-O8G-EVO-GAMING" for the RX 5700 XT. The two cards feature certain design tweaks over the original TUF Gaming RX 5700-series graphics cards that were criticized by tech reviewers for bad cooling performance. The updated TUF Gaming EVO cards feature an entirely different aluminium fin-stack heatsink from the one in the original TUF Gaming cards, which offers better contact with the various hot components on the PCB.

ASUS also updated the ventilation of the cooler, with three Axial-Tech fans replacing the conventional fans on the original. These fans feature impellers that are webbed at the edges, so air is guided axially (through the heatsink), and some of it isn't bled laterally. The fan in the center is slightly smaller than the ones on its sides. Clock speeds are unchanged between the two revisions, with up to 1720 MHz game clocks and up to 1750 MHz boost clocks for the RX 5700 model, and up to 1795 game clocks and up to 1905 MHz boost clocks for the RX 5700 XT model. Both cards feature a software-based "OC mode" that dials up clock-speeds by roughly 70 MHz. ASUS will replace the original TUF Gaming with the new EVO cards at current prices.
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27 Comments on ASUS Revises RX 5700-series TUF Gaming with Axial Tech Fans and New Heatsink Underneath

#1
Tomorrow
Good. Now send Steve the new one. Hopefully this fixes the known problems.
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#2
maxitaxi96
So... they made the screws shorter and added new fans?
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#3
fancucker
Why even buy the 5700XT if it were Sapphire/Powercolor? Countless driver issues, improper VR support, absence of anything remotely competitive with NVENC, no CUDA, no dedicated RT/tensor cores (as if their presence is a negative for a consumer), no VRR, broader developer support and somehow still better thermals and efficiency on a much older process

Embarassing. Pretty much pro-AMD sentiment or linux users hoping to justify a purchase via mesa
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#4
ratirt
The 5700xt has the same problem. I wonder what would the 5700XT be like with the new solution. I'm surely curious how will these tweaks work with the cards. The TUF wasn't bad but the mounting was crap. Wonder if there's any chance that this solution would be even better?
fancucker
Why even buy the 5700XT if it were Sapphire/Powercolor? Countless driver issues, improper VR support, absence of anything remotely competitive with NVENC, no CUDA, no dedicated RT/tensor cores (as if their presence as a negative for a consumer), no VRR, broader developer support and somehow still better thermals and efficiency on a much older process

Embarassing. Pretty much pro-AMD sentiment or linux users hoping to justify a purchase via mesa
This is not NV why would this have tensor or CUDA? Driver issues? You've got a serious driver issue in your head. You go on and on like a broken record. Stop your rumble man cause nobody is listening and all you do is spam threads you've got nothing to say about.
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TheinsanegamerN
fancucker
Why even buy the 5700XT if it were Sapphire/Powercolor? Countless driver issues, improper VR support, absence of anything remotely competitive with NVENC, no CUDA, no dedicated RT/tensor cores (as if their presence is a negative for a consumer), no VRR, broader developer support and somehow still better thermals and efficiency on a much older process

Embarassing. Pretty much pro-AMD sentiment or linux users hoping to justify a purchase via mesa
rDNA 1.0 doesnt have dedicated RT hrdware, rDNA 2 will have it. Would you prefer worthless first gen tech being stapled on with higher costs attatched instead? Few games have RT, and those that do often either dont work properly or suck in terms of graphical improvement. AMD's implementation also promises to be better integrated then nvidia's "just staple cores on and hope it works" design.

CUDA is nvidia proprietary, not sure why you would expect it on an AMD card.

VRR? You know Freesync has been a thing for years, right?
ratirt
This is not NV why would this have tensor or CUDA? Driver issues? You've got a serious driver issue in your head. You go on and on like a broken record. Stop your rumble man cause nobody is listening and all you do is spam threads you've got nothing to say about.
To be fair, Navi has had driver stability issues, and the stuttering and freesync problems are still an issue 6+ months after launch. AMD was doing really well for a while there, but their team fell assleep at the wheel onc ethey had ironed out all of GCNs bugs and dropped the ball on navi. It not as bad as he claims, but Navi isnt as stable as GCN releases were the last few years, and it is negatively reflecting on RTG.
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#6
ratirt
TheinsanegamerN
To be fair, Navi has had driver stability issues, and the stuttering and freesync problems are still an issue 6+ months after launch. AMD was doing really well for a while there, but their team fell assleep at the wheel onc ethey had ironed out all of GCNs bugs and dropped the ball on navi. It not as bad as he claims, but Navi isnt as stable as GCN releases were the last few years, and it is negatively reflecting on RTG.
I'm not so sure about this. Tweaks in certain games, are released with the new driver but you can't call it a driver issue (severe driver issue because games are acting strangely) I don't poses a rx 5700XT but my friends do and they haven't said anything about driver issues in general. Besides, AMD is releasing the drivers frequently with fixes and that is mostly for specific games. So I kinda disagree with driver issues in general.
TheinsanegamerN
rDNA 1.0 doesnt have dedicated RT hrdware, rDNA 2 will have it. Would you prefer worthless first gen tech being stapled on with higher costs attatched instead? Few games have RT, and those that do often either dont work properly or suck in terms of graphical improvement. AMD's implementation also promises to be better integrated then nvidia's "just staple cores on and hope it works" design.

CUDA is nvidia proprietary, not sure why you would expect it on an AMD card.

VRR? You know Freesync has been a thing for years, right?
Save it bro :) That man is weird as is. He's not here to discuss anything and you see what he's writing? claiming that AMD doesn't have CUDA, Tensore cores or VRR is a fail for the company is just stupid.
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TheinsanegamerN
ratirt
I'm not so sure about this. Tweaks in certain games, are released with the new driver but you can't call it a driver issue (severe driver issue because games are acting strangely) I don't poses a rx 5700XT but my friends do and they haven't said anything about driver issues in general. Besides, AMD is releasing the drivers frequently with fixes and that is mostly for specific games. So I kinda disagree with driver issues in general.
You are free to disagree, but your friends not having issues doesnt mean they dont exist. There were users that didnt have the nvidia chrome crash bug, users who didnt have stuttering issues with AMD before the days of FCAT testing. AMD releasing fixes for certian games =! there are not major issues with their drivers for some users. There have been enough complaints about AMD stuttering and freesync bugs that I believe they are still issues. The fact that none of the recent driver updates have specified these fixes would indicate to me they have not been fixed yet, and they would give me pause before investing in a big navi chip, should one ever bother to release before ampere comes out.
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#8
ratirt
TheinsanegamerN
You are free to disagree, but your friends not having issues doesnt mean they dont exist. There were users that didnt have the nvidia chrome crash bug, users who didnt have stuttering issues with AMD before the days of FCAT testing. AMD releasing fixes for certian games =! there are not major issues with their drivers for some users. There have been enough complaints about AMD stuttering and freesync bugs that I believe they are still issues. The fact that none of the recent driver updates have specified these fixes would indicate to me they have not been fixed yet, and they would give me pause before investing in a big navi chip, should one ever bother to release before ampere comes out.
I agree with you. But since you said the issues are with the drivers and my friends don't experience any, is it justified to say they are globally driver issues or just certain issues with given game? I'm not saying the issues aren't there but I think you have generalized these "issues" to a degree I need to disagree. Sure stuttering and fresync bugs is an issue. Not all games have that issue and you can be sure of that.
I want to go big Navi but just like you I'd rather wait. The release of Big Navi has nothing to do with NV future releases. NV has it's own plan of new GPUs etc. Besides big navi, RDNA2 is going to be different than RDNA. Maybe this NAVI is a trial run? Eliminate problems and see how it goes? Some sort of test before big navi. I don't know but it would seem so. I can tell for sure you put everything into one basket.
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#9
milewski1015
fancucker
Why even buy the 5700XT if it were Sapphire/Powercolor? Countless driver issues, improper VR support, absence of anything remotely competitive with NVENC, no CUDA, no dedicated RT/tensor cores (as if their presence is a negative for a consumer), no VRR, broader developer support and somehow still better thermals and efficiency on a much older process

Embarassing. Pretty much pro-AMD sentiment or linux users hoping to justify a purchase via mesa
I bought my Sapphire 5700 XT for the price to performance. I don't stream so no use for NVENC, don't play VR, and RTRT isn't an interest of mine. I wanted a GPU capable of high refresh rate 1440p gameplay, and wanted to make sure I got a significant upgrade from my RX 580. While the 2070S does perform objectively better, the difference in price was too great and performance gap too small in my opinion to warrant extending my GPU budget another 20%. I have only had minor driver issues thus far (undervolt/fan curve profile not sticking, and the occasional display freeze which is easily rectified by turning my monitors on and off), and I see that AMD is focused on improving the drivers and am confident that they will continue to improve. I am happy to accept a few issues here and there and a touch less performance to keep $100 in my wallet.
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#10
TechLurker
The revision looks nice; much closer to the design of ASUS' 2080 Ti Matrix.

Here's hoping they consider just using that newer fan design across all their card stack, both AMD and NVIDIA (and Intel if/when they get a working GPU out), now that they've ported the fan design over from the Matrix.
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#11
Tatty_One
Senior Moder@tor
fancucker
Why even buy the 5700XT if it were Sapphire/Powercolor? Countless driver issues, improper VR support, absence of anything remotely competitive with NVENC, no CUDA, no dedicated RT/tensor cores (as if their presence is a negative for a consumer), no VRR, broader developer support and somehow still better thermals and efficiency on a much older process

Embarassing. Pretty much pro-AMD sentiment or linux users hoping to justify a purchase via mesa
For someone who clearly does not think much of, or like AMD it would appear you spend most of your time in AMD related threads and news article's ………. offering little but trolling, I look forward to your next and more constructive contribution.
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#12
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
ratirt
I agree with you. But since you said the issues are with the drivers and my friends don't experience any, is it justified to say they are globally driver issues or just certain issues with given game? I'm not saying the issues aren't there but I think you have generalized these "issues" to a degree I need to disagree. Sure stuttering and fresync bugs is an issue. Not all games have that issue and you can be sure of that.
I want to go big Navi but just like you I'd rather wait. The release of Big Navi has nothing to do with NV future releases. NV has it's own plan of new GPUs etc. Besides big navi, RDNA2 is going to be different than RDNA. Maybe this NAVI is a trial run? Eliminate problems and see how it goes? Some sort of test before big navi. I don't know but it would seem so. I can tell for sure you put everything into one basket.
It's good both of you are taking this in stride. I myself have a reference RX 5700 XT. But I have to agree with @TheinsanegamerN that the Radeon Software issues are still detrimental to the overall Radeon experience. Like your friends, I'm not experiencing any major issues anymore (the last one is that certain games that I do play fail to launch because of the faulty driver, but that was addressed in the last two releases this month).

AMD already has those issues officially documented, which makes it a global (but not consistent) issue. It happens to a significant part of the Navi community, just not to the majority/everyone.

If they can bring out a big Navi that can beat a 2080 Super (or the 2080 Ti), I'll most likely get it.
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#13
Imsochobo
fancucker
Why even buy the 5700XT if it were Sapphire/Powercolor? Countless driver issues, improper VR support, absence of anything remotely competitive with NVENC, no CUDA, no dedicated RT/tensor cores (as if their presence is a negative for a consumer), no VRR, broader developer support and somehow still better thermals and efficiency on a much older process

Embarassing. Pretty much pro-AMD sentiment or linux users hoping to justify a purchase via mesa
atleast my current amd card is working well, and the gaming cafe I set up with 30 5700's did well, I was a bit worried when they said which gpu it was.
they had two more premium boxes with 2080s and adviced for the streamers to use those in case of that.

but other than that, no issues :)
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#14
IceShroom
Where is the photo of new heatsink?? All I am seeing is the shroud and the backplate and no sign of new heatsink. Or ASUS is selling the old as new??
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#15
DeathtoGnomes
TUG Gaming X3 Radeon RX 5700-series EVO
pretty sure they missed a word or two. :banghead:

when I see EVO, I think half length cards
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#16
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
I still don't see a point in purchasing these cards. It is rather unfortunate two years later the highest tier card AMD produces is at the level of a 1080Ti. I hope big Navi crushes...the space needs competition or it will stagnate.

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#17
Tomorrow
Yep AMD is unfortunately late as usual. By the time they got their 1080Ti competitor out Nvidia already had Turing. And by the looks of it by the time they get their Turing competitor out Nvidia will have Ampere or whatever it ends up being called.

This is polar opposite to what is happening on the CPU side where AMD is leading and Intel is playing catchup.
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eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Imsochobo
atleast my current amd card is working well, and the gaming cafe I set up with 30 5700's did well, I was a bit worried when they said which gpu it was.
they had two more premium boxes with 2080s and adviced for the streamers to use those in case of that.

but other than that, no issues :)
Let me know if you want those 5700s modded for XT stats?
Tomorrow
Yep AMD is unfortunately late as usual. By the time they got their 1080Ti competitor out Nvidia already had Turing. And by the looks of it by the time they get their Turing competitor out Nvidia will have Ampere or whatever it ends up being called.

This is polar opposite to what is happening on the CPU side where AMD is leading and Intel is playing catchup.
Idk we are waiting on 6000 series/Navi 2 parts so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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#19
R-T-B
My 5700XT has been treating me well too. I did get a greenscreen while OCing, but only myself to blame there.

Pretty sure some vendors are to blame for the "issues," being way too agressive with the voltages at idle. I wish i had more evidence to support this, but it seems plausible.
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ratirt
cdawall
I still don't see a point in purchasing these cards. It is rather unfortunate two years later the highest tier card AMD produces is at the level of a 1080Ti. I hope big Navi crushes...the space needs competition or it will stagnate.


Hope you are not serious or maybe I don't get what you are trying to say. Why wouldn't you buy 5700XT? It has very close performance to 2070 Super and it's cheaper. If you want to go for the best then sure AMD is not your choice but who wants to spend so much? Not a lot of people I suppose. Mid tier like 2070, 2070 super, 5700 and 5700XT are the cards, people mostly go for. The price is not that big and they do deliver good performance. The only question is would you have rather picked NV instead but that's personal preference.
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kapone32
Tomorrow
Yep AMD is unfortunately late as usual. By the time they got their 1080Ti competitor out Nvidia already had Turing. And by the looks of it by the time they get their Turing competitor out Nvidia will have Ampere or whatever it ends up being called.

This is polar opposite to what is happening on the CPU side where AMD is leading and Intel is playing catchup.
www.amazon.ca/Gigabyte-AORUS-GeForce-Graphic-GV-N108TAORUS-11GD/dp/B06XXJMF19/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=1080TI&qid=1580732657&sr=8-3

www.amazon.ca/Sapphire-11293-03-40G-Radeon-Nitro-Graphics/dp/B07XMNGVVD/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=5700XT&qid=1580732684&sr=8-6

It is so easy for people to forget that AMD is a CPU/GPU company and Nvidia is a GPU only company. Navi is actually commendable for what it is considering the 1080Ti is only slower than the 2080 Super and 2080TI.
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Tomorrow
@ Kapone32

Does not seem to stop them making great products on time on the CPU side. By your argument they should also be late at the CPU side.
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kapone32
Tomorrow
@ Kapone32

Does not seem to stop them making great products on time on the CPU side. By your argument they should also be late at the CPU side.
Well it took a whole new generation to catch up to Intel on the CPU side but Intel had not done anything new in 10 years. Nvidia on the other hand moves faster than that. For all we know though these RDNA1 cards may not be different than Zen in terms of improvements. The fact that the 5600XT is faster than the Vega 56 does show me that they are moving in the right direction though.
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cdawall
where the hell are my stars
ratirt
Hope you are not serious or maybe I don't get what you are trying to say. Why wouldn't you buy 5700XT? It has very close performance to 2070 Super and it's cheaper. If you want to go for the best then sure AMD is not your choice but who wants to spend so much? Not a lot of people I suppose. Mid tier like 2070, 2070 super, 5700 and 5700XT are the cards, people mostly go for. The price is not that big and they do deliver good performance. The only question is would you have rather picked NV instead but that's personal preference.
Performance is eclipsed by a mild OC on a 1080Ti from 2 years ago. This is not impressive to me. I wait impatiently for the higher tier cards since the 2080(ti) didn't impress me either they were only minor improvements over the 1080Ti.
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jmcslob
eidairaman1
Let me know if you want those 5700s modded for XT stats?



Idk we are waiting on 6000 series/Navi 2 parts so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Are all or most 5700's capable of the XT speeds?
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