Covid-19 1:0 CES 2021

Loss of these events means loss of revenue for local businesses that thrived during them and welcomed them.

Local businesses that have grown accustomed to the business and rely on it, they'll start to vanish. Loss of jobs and income.

it is virtual for me every year. LOL

not sure how you can turn an event like this into a "virtual event" they going to send you all the hardware to look at in person?

Wow, they're canceling it really early. We still have more than 5 months until the next CES should be. I guess the US has some more problems with Covid, but still...

Covid won't be stopped. Herd immunity will eventually be the answer to it. You can't stop it anymore unless by some miracle vaccines against Coronaviruses are invented, which have been tried for many years before Covid and never worked. So I wouldn't hold my breath. It will just be herd immunity like we have with most other diseases.

Ah poor people in Vegas, even more revenue lost :(

and I really enjoyed the years I went to CES .. Computex is better though, so fingers crossed for 2021 Computex ^^

PowerPCIt will just be herd immunity like we have with most other diseases.

Like for the flu.. also, only early data, but Google: antibodies 3 months

PowerPCWow, they're canceling it really early

Good, rather make the final decision now, than invest $$ and it gets cancelled eventually. Actually I'm impressed that CTA aren't as greedy as everyone though they are

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I think a few companies tried something like this in June, as Computex replacement, total disaster

PowerPCWow, they're canceling it really early. We still have more than 5 months until the next CES should be. I guess the US has some more problems with Covid, but still...

Covid won't be stopped. Herd immunity will eventually be the answer to it. You can't stop it anymore unless by some miracle vaccines against Coronaviruses are invented, which have been tried for many years before Covid and never worked. So I wouldn't hold my breath. It will just be herd immunity like we have with most other diseases.

Covid won't be stopped but will become easier to treat. We don't stop a lot of viruses, that's fine. Its about managing them, right now it seems that puzzle is far from complete. Patients are left with all sorts of mid to long term problems, even scars on the heart which can induce future heart rhythm failures. And that is just one of our organs.

Early on the prediction was several years before we would understand it proper. I think that prediction still stands. Herd immunity will be seasonal at best, and even that seems a stretch, its summer now.

There isn't going to be herd immunity to covid19 if antibodies are dwindling in 4-8 weeks as has been found. It just has to be managed as even vaccines are only partially effective and that is if people even trust a rush job.

W1zzardLike for the flu.. also, only early data, but Google: antibodies 3 months

I don't obviously mean full immunity. But the problem will go away when the people die out that are most susceptible to this disease. The Flu wiped out whole populations when it first started infecting people. Now even if you get it, most will do just fine because people now have stronger immune systems against it in general through pretty much natural selection. Which is a kind of herd immunity. It doesn't mean that the flu is less dangerous than before.

So if it's not going to totally go away, it will be around just like the flu. Does this mean we all have to stop interacting and start canceling all big events? I know it sounds harsh to say let certain people to just die out, but this is how these things always went and it's not going to change now, unless we all stay home forever and cancel everything, which is kind of the direction it's going now.

Btw. I'm not against things like masks for a period just to flatten the curve for the hospitals. I even think we should have mandatory periods like that for everybody whenever we're above a certain number of infections (above hospital capacity, basically). But anything that goes beyond that like canceling events is not going to change things in the long run. It's wishful thinking at best, fearmongering at worst.

We will all be dead by then..

W1zzardLike for the flu.. also, only early data, but Google: antibodies 3 months

Not only that - Sweden's national experiment that has costed them 5x as much lives as all other Scandinavian contries combined has shown that even there less than 10% of people had immunity. Coupled with the immunity lasting a short period and all talks of some sort of herd immunity are pure BS.

PowerPCI don't obviously mean full immunity. But the problem will go away when the people die out that are most susceptible to this disease. The Flu wiped out whole populations when it first started infecting people. Now even if you get it, most will do just fine because people now have stronger immune systems against it in general through pretty much natural selection. Which is a kind of herd immunity. It doesn't mean that the flu is less dangerous than before.

So if it's not going to totally go away, it will be around just like the flu. Does this mean we all have to stop interacting and start canceling all big events? I know it sounds harsh to say let certain people to just die out, but this is how these things always went and it's not going to change now, unless we all stay home forever and cancel everything, which is kind of the direction it's going now.

Btw. I'm not against things like masks for a period just to flatten the curve for the hospitals. I even think we should have mandatory periods like that for everybody whenever we're above a certain number of infections (above hospital capacity, basically). But anything that goes beyond that like canceling events is not going to change things in the long run. It's wishful thinking at best, fearmongering at worst.

I get what you're saying and feel much the same way about it. But this is not much like the flu in every other way than it being a virus, too with temporary antibody counters. The ramifications of getting it are long lasting, whereas with the flu, you just feel better at some point. Chronic lack of energy for prolonged periods of time and several forms of organ damage are lasting effects. So its not just the weak that die, its the entire population, young AND old that will take a major hit to general health and therefore future prosperity. Lost generation, or even generations is what we're looking at. The more this virus can infect, the bigger the impact, which is a global increase in healthcare requirements along with a reduction in capable workforce.

So at this point in time, cancelling events is most certainly the better option, and will remain so going forward in the near future. It really is a lot better to avoid this virus if you have the opportunity. For me personally the limit to that prevention is when it has psychological impact in the sense of social needs. Mass events are not among those needs, to me, but that is different for everyone. Still, things to consider, its good to be realistic about it, but I would suggest not to underestimate it.

So not actually cancelled, just moved to a different venue.

neatfeatguyLoss of these events means loss of revenue for local businesses that thrived during them and welcomed them.

Local businesses that have grown accustomed to the business and rely on it, they'll start to vanish. Loss of jobs and income.

The ones trading Pop-corn and hotels ?

Either way even CES it has to adjust as we do all worldwide.
Consumers wallets are half empty, and even finding food these days this is is tough goal.

I'm really going to miss CES/Vegas... one of my favorite places to be. It's a grind for most media going from hotel to hotel to meet as many contacts as possible, but damn is it a blast!

Vayra86I get what you're saying and feel much the same way about it. But this is not much like the flu in every other way than it being a virus, too with temporary antibody counters. The ramifications of getting it are long lasting, whereas with the flu, you just feel better at some point. Chronic lack of energy for prolonged periods of time and several forms of organ damage are lasting effects. So its not just the weak that die, its the entire population, young AND old that will take a major hit to general health and therefore future prosperity. Lost generation, or even generations is what we're looking at. The more this virus can infect, the bigger the impact, which is a global increase in healthcare requirements along with a reduction in capable workforce.

So at this point in time, cancelling events is most certainly the better option, and will remain so going forward in the near future. It really is a lot better to avoid this virus if you have the opportunity. For me personally the limit to that prevention is when it has psychological impact in the sense of social needs. Mass events are not among those needs, to me, but that is different for everyone. Still, things to consider, its good to be realistic about it, but I would suggest not to underestimate it.

Thanks for the balanced answer and I'm with you on most everything you said.

There's just the thing that all people don't seem to have the same ramifications from getting it. I doubt that all people get long-lasting damage if many don't even get symptoms. From what I understand, the long-lasting damage comes only when you get a bad lung infection from it. I guess getting a lung infection is never good, but yea, Covid make you more susceptible to that. And the people that die, die because of the severe lung infections when the body can't deal with it anymore. But people's bodies seem to handle it very differently. That's why herd "immunity" will eventually help us, even if canceling events for years to come won't. I don't doubt we will beat Covid eventually, I just doubt that it will cost any fewer lives in the long run, if we overreact.

Are you kidding me? This is so ridiculous it's beyond farcical at this point...

PowerPCif we overreact.

Far too late to stop that.

PowerPC.... people's bodies seem to handle it very differently. That's why herd "immunity" will eventually help us...

By killing the frail, and aged, and leaving only the strong?
Such empathy, much caring.

Caring1By killing the frail, and aged, and leaving only the strong?
Such empathy, much caring.

Such is the way of evolution though as it has been. And let's be honest, the current path of what evolves in our society isn't exactly beneficial in a greater sense. We're sheltering the weak and nurturing stupid right now. Literacy and overall quality of life is actually going down in the Western and some other developed countries. Division of wealth is rapidly spiralling out of control. There's too many of us and no outlook on that changing.

A correction is in order, if you ask me, and this virus is the perfect equalizer. I'll take this method over a few nukes, honestly. But this is a discussion far too few are willing to go into, even though we should. We'd rather persist in preserving a status quo we can never maintain, like Lemmings. If we keep doing this, protecting every life while damaging all others with long term restrictions on normal life, we'll be having entire lost generations all to preserve a few life years of the elderly. That'll be fun for future healthcare, I'm sure :) I do wonder who is truly thinking straight these days and what the scope of policy really is, but so far, I'm not seeing any kind of future investment in any of it, only fear and doubt, and mostly a fear to lose a very loyal group of voters. This so called empathy today is the grim reaper of tomorrow.

Vayra86Such is the way of evolution though as it has been. And let's be honest, the current path of what evolves in our society isn't exactly beneficial in a greater sense. We're sheltering the weak and nurturing stupid right now. Literacy and overall quality of life is actually going down in the Western and some other developed countries. Division of wealth is rapidly spiralling out of control. There's too many of us and no outlook on that changing.

A correction is in order, if you ask me, and this virus is the perfect equalizer. I'll take this method over a few nukes, honestly. But this is a discussion far too few are willing to go into, even though we should. We'd rather persist in preserving a status quo we can never maintain, like Lemmings. If we keep doing this, protecting every life while damaging all others with long term restrictions on normal life, we'll be having entire lost generations all to preserve a few life years of the elderly. That'll be fun for future healthcare, I'm sure :) I do wonder who is truly thinking straight these days and what the scope of policy really is, but so far, I'm not seeing any kind of future investment in any of it, only fear and doubt, and mostly a fear to lose a very loyal group of voters. This so called empathy today is the grim reaper of tomorrow.

A conversation most people aren’t willing to have because most people aren’t nihilistic eco-fascists. There are solutions to every problem you outline that don’t involve millions of deaths, and certainly we’d have the capacity for growing populations if society organized around these issues instead of ignoring them.

Personally I combat nihilism by saying hello to strangers and carefully managing my news consumption. Best of luck staying alive!

This thread is about CES.. there are threads for discussing the Pandemic... maybe use those for that. ;)

So you can't make a joke about a chimp, but you can call someone a nihilist eco-fascist...got it.

EarthDogThis thread is about CES.. there are threads for discussing the Pandemic... maybe use those for that. ;)

Technically you're right but wrong at the same time, it's about CES yes, but why is it cancelled? COVID 19...and the story mentions COVID 19/pandemic more times than it mentions CES. You can't divorce COVID 19 conversation from the story.

dalekdukesboyTechnically you're right but wrong at the same time, it's about CES yes, but why is it cancelled? COVID 19...and the story mentions COVID 19/pandemic more times than it mentions CES. You can't divorce COVID 19 conversation from the story.

Yes, the story does mention COVID-19 as the primary cause for cancelling CES. However, getting into far-reaching discussions about monkeys, nihilism, and the details of the effects of the pandemic on the world at large are not germane. Stick to the primary topic, please, everyone. It's a highly pertinent topic that affects 99% of the users in the forums here, and I'm sure there are some useful opinions and input from most, so let's not get it locked up. thanks!