Caring1So stealing others pictures online and using them for your own purpose is alright because you are a flag waving patriot, but a closed shop like China can't manufacture products similar to others for their own market?
How is that hurting companies that do not trade in China?
Surely you can't be that blinded by patriotism that you think it takes away from income streams of external companies!

In point of fact it is ok and perfectly legal. It is called "fair use" and it's been around since I was in high school - over 30 years ago. It's the same clause that allows a high school student to quote or reference other works, as long as they are not plagarizing the entire thing.

Then there is the little thing of not doing it for profit. For anyone to actually get awarded damages in a suit, I would have to benefit monetarily or they would have to prove that I caused them to lose market share.

In all of the photos I've shown, those two things would be very easy to show for the companies that created the merchandise.

You are remarkably uneducated in this area.

It's also repulsive that you try to shut down people shining a light on this. Are you a paid China troll? If not, stop acting like one.

RandallFlaggIt's a systemic cultural problem in China where they do not respect the work of others. Probably a side-effect of communism, which pretty much says what's yours is mine. Keep in mind this is not minor stuff, making a car, opening a business, thousands - no hundredes of thousands - of people are involved in those rip-offs. This is obviously not a problem limited to one instance or issue and trying to deal with it that way has not and will not work.

China has given me so much ammo I can do this for weeks - literally.

On with the show:

I like how half of those are from user /r/obviousplant from reddit (an american), who makes them and plants them in unsuspecting stores. They've even been careful to crop out his logo on "specialman."

Check out his store for more laughs:

obvious-plant.myshopify.com/

As always, facebook regurgitated postings are not to be believed. The cars are probably real but that's about all.

RandallFlaggIn point of fact it is ok and perfectly legal. It is called "fair use" and it's been around since I was in high school - over 30 years ago. It's the same clause that allows a high school student to quote or reference other works, as long as they are not plagarizing the entire thing.

Fair use also goes a lot farther for teachers and students than the general public, IIRC.

R-T-BI like how half of those are from user /r/obviousplant from reddit (an american), who makes them and plants them in unsuspecting stores. They've even been careful to crop out his logo on "specialman."

Check out his store for more laughs:

obvious-plant.myshopify.com/

As always, facebook regurgitated postings are not to be believed. The cars are probably real but that's about all.

First of all, I did not get a single image from Facebook or that store you posted.

That being the case, what you said is not true. This makes you a liar. See how that works?

It's also kinda funny how you think China only copies cars - a feat that takes not just one engineering team and manufacturing plant, it requires an entire supply chain to pull off. And then they show their copies off, at an auto trade show.

But they wouldn't dare copy a teenage mutant ninja turtle, according to you. Not too sharp at using that noggin are ya?

R-T-BFair use also goes a lot farther for teachers and students than the general public, IIRC.

No it doesn't. As a citizen, If I am not trying to make money at it I can use all kinds of quotes and images in civil discourse. How many times have you seen a chart posted here? Ever heard of a lawsuit about posting a chart or a quote from an article in chat / facebook / forums? I didn't think so.

Even for those making money at it - look at articles here on TPU - 75% of what they post quotes / references other articles. Pay attention to what you are reading in news sites of any kind and you'll find dozens of articles on all kinds of subjects (not just tech) are referenced back to a single source.

R-T-BFair use also goes a lot farther for teachers and students than the general public, IIRC.

No, that would be unconstitutional if that was the case. Law has to apply equally to everyone. Before anyone rushes to reply enforcement is where the unfairness of law lies and is another can of worms entirely.

RandallFlaggThat being the case, what you said is not true. This makes you a liar.

It only makes me a liar if I in good faith did not believe it. I do, and honestly, still do. Specialman in particular was created by obviousplant in the early days. Some of them may be real, some of them may not. Viral photos attributed without evidence don't prove anything but that you have an agenda is my point.

TotallyNo, that would be unconstitutional if that was the case. Law has to apply equally to everyone.

Education has specific priviledge in fair use. That's not unconstitutional, as anyone can use a video in a teaching environment. It's intended for the old VCR era so teachers could carry homemade tapes and play them at school.

But hey, don't take my word for it. Read.

RandallFlaggAs a citizen, If I am not trying to make money at it I can use all kinds of quotes and images in civil discourse. How many times have you seen a chart posted here? Ever heard of a lawsuit about posting a chart or a quote from an article in chat / facebook / forums? I didn't think so.

Fair use goes farther in education, I never said it does not apply to average joe at all. It particularly deals with covering complete programs rather than "partial alterations"

R-T-BIt only makes me a liar if I in good faith did not believe it. I do, and honestly, still do. Specialman in particular was created by obviousplant in the early days. Some of them may be real, some of them may not. Viral photos attributed without evidence don't prove anything but that you have an agenda is my point.

Most of those photos were taken from sites - of which there are hundreds - which try to raise awareness of Chinese copyright / patent / IP theft.

This is not some edge case wacko idea as you are attempting to frame it - an attempt which makes your motives more than just a little questionable.

I posted pictures because 99% of the folks here don't read. You included, clearly.

You want some real links.

"The report, citing data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection, also indicates that 87 percent of the counterfeit goods seized by customs officials come from China (including Hong Kong). "

www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/china-intellectual-property-theft-counting-costs-united-states/

"2017 report by the National Bureau of Asian Research estimated “that the annual cost to the U.S. economy continues to exceed $225 billion in counterfeit goods, pirated software, and theft of trade secrets and could be as high as $600 billion.”

www.marketwatch.com/story/five-things-to-know-about-chinas-promised-crackdown-on-intellectual-property-theft-2019-11-25

"In 2009, National Security Agency Director General Keith Alexander called Chinese IP theft “the greatest transfer of wealth in history.”He put the value of cyber-theft of US trade secrets and intellectual property (IP) at a stunning $250 billion a year and called it “our future disappearing in front of us.”

www.prosperousamerica.org/top_ten_cases_of_chinese_ip_theft

"1 in 5 corporations say China has stolen their IP within the last year"

www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/1-in-5-companies-say-china-stole-their-ip-within-the-last-year-cnbc.html


So now I have given you facts. What have you given? .....

RandallFlaggThis is not some edge case wacko idea as you are attempting to frame it

I'm not trying to frame anything. China indeed has IP issues and I'll be the first to admit that (they flangrantly violated the MIPS license on loongson cpus until recently). I'm reminding readers looking at viral photos is not real evidence. Thank you for some real links.

RandallFlaggSo now I have given you facts. What have you given? .....

Common sense, which led to actual facts. Thank you for that. I'm not sure any but the cnbc one are remotely trustworthy but I'm not here to dispute the obvious.

China has repeatedly shoved a knife into the backs of the world, yet we still continue to do business with them. Why? I just don’t get it. Talk about stupidity.

Stay on topic... And the topic is not about the legality/copyright of posted photos.
You have a problem report it and move on.
Do Not argue about it in the thread.

Thank You have a Good Day.

trparkyChina has repeatedly shoved a knife into the backs of the world, yet we still continue to do business with them. Why? I just don’t get it. Talk about stupidity.

I don't know why people don't understand. It's because of capitalism. China as a developing economy promised a cheaper way to manufacture goods for sale in the west. Listed companies with shareholders require a better ROI. You easily achieve that by cutting costs. Primarily labor (move to a cheaper workforce) and by subbing contracts overseas. In return, those who invest in the company reap the rewards.

I'm sure some people will argue against this point but capitalist market forces are responsible for much of the anti-China rhetoric. In market terms (not cultural), our beloved mutant capitalist monster is to blame. And before the zealots charge in, Capitalism was meant to work in the following way:

Business idea. Create goods, sell goods. Employ people. Said employees gain income, income is spent locally, benefits community (how created wealth gets 'rei-nvested'). Business expands, employs more locals, trickle down wealth effect continues. It's a good model.

But it doesn't work like that anymore. Investors, wealth acquisition without graft, and tax avoidance have made capitalist markets unrecognisable from the noble ideas it was founded upon. Only a fool can blame China for taking advantage of western greed.

Post # 60 was pretty clear I thought, please stay on topic.