Mad_foxx1983so this card got more Vram than the 3060 ti, 3070 and 3080. why nvidia??

ZoneDymo"and is priced at $329"

yeah....no

yotano211I can understand the 60's card being the most popular, but the 3070 has 4gb less memory and much faster at higher resolutions that need more memory. I can see a 3070ti coming very soon with higher memory sizes.

TheinsanegamerNLikely we'll see a 16GB 3070ti and a 20GB 3080ti this year. Nvidia really shot themselves in the foot launching before the high density GDDR6X was ready.

OTOH they seem to have no issue selling the current cards, so maybe they were right on the money.

Vayra86Planned obscolescence suits the early adopter well, yes :)

But hey 10GB is enough no worries, because even the midrange AND consoles will be having 12~ GB now so all is well! Never mind the fact that volume sales will start happening now and going forward, not before this moment. So we now have the unique situation that a midrange line up AND the competition all has more VRAM than a few one-offs called the 3070 and 3080 vanilla.

Have to have some pretty solid faith to think that's not an issue going forward. Religious, in fact.

Devs optimize for the mainstream, and its fast looking like 10GB is an oddball capacity we already had two generations back, effectively, with 11GB cards. Back then it was too much and now it is too little.

TheinsanegamerNThere are still 0 reviews by tech sites showing the 10GB to be a limiting factor. The 3080 topped the 2080ti, handily, in every test. If the VRAM was insufficient, the 3080's 1% would be annialated by turing.

The "mainstream" number game devs will be targeting on PC is currently less then 4GB. The VAST majoirty of the market has 4GB or less, with a sizeable minority at 6GB, a smaller minority at 8GB, ece. Game consoles will have 12GB for games, yes, but that is TOTAL memory. That is both system and video memroy, which is two seperate pools on PC. A game using 12GB of video mameory would have nothing left over for the game logic itself.

The 290x 8GB was totally worthless. the 8GB 480 same deal, not enough power for 1440p gaming where such memory may have mattered. The 8GB 3070 manages to meet or exceed the 1% low and average of the 11GB 2080ti consistently.

By the time the 10GB 3080 RAM is insufficient for high/ultra settings, we'll likely have far more powerful GPUs on the market. Not to mention even when it does eventually run out, there are plenty of tweaks to fix the problem. Most tests are done with settings maxxed out, including AA. AA gobbles up VRAM and at 1440p and above is really not that noticeable, FXAA works better and has less VRAM penalty.

I've yet to see a modern game that doesnt run properly on my vega 64 at 1440p, the most VRAM demanding game I've seen is cities skylines and its unoptimized RAM allocation, and doom eternal, which only hits above 8GB on unplayable settings.

Vayra86Time will tell, but we're already going pretty close to that limit in some titles, and yes, having less is a performance hit. We've seen this before in games that did exceed VRAM when they get revisited a few years post-release. And there are many examples of the core having enough power but VRAM being the main reason to upgrade cards. Its as good a reason as any, right? its certainly not true that its a rule of thumb that 'the core runs out when VRAM runs out'. Sorry. I have too many examples, even recently, that tell a different story.

You say tricks and tweaks but that's nonsense... what really happens is the market caters to the common denominator, and its certainly not 10GB. Its either 8 GB for lower/mid segment, and most certainly towards 12GB for upper segment going forward. Or are we now going to defend that PC performance is capped at whatever the consoles present us? That would be lying to ourselves - PC demands have ALWAYS exceeded console demands. So... 'by the time' might come round much sooner than you think. I think 3 years is very optimistic, and 2 is very plausible. Pretty short lifetime for balls to the wall gaming on a 700 MSRP with inflation. Especially with lots of alternatives next to it that offer more. Good luck reselling that card in 2years time. Its immediately a midranger at best. Irony has it, that a 3060 with 12GB or better yet a 3070 with 16 will fetch better value by then, while being cheaper to buy now.

But be that as it may, you are certainly correct today. The examples are hardly there of 10GB being problematic. It mostly involves modding and per-game examples - but they do exist and also under 4K.

Vayra86Pretty short lifetime for balls to the wall gaming on a 700 MSRP with inflation

TheinsanegamerNHow about you post some of those examples? People often clamor that there is plenty of evidence that VRAM limits are an issue, yet never can post to tests showing the results. Maybe a youtube video at BEST, but never any well tested, verified results. One of the biggest symptoms of VRAM limitations is stuttering, which is represented by attrocious 1% low FPS. Most review sites test this now. I've yet to see ONE that shows such behaviour from a 3070 or 3080.

Are you REALLY insinuating that the the common demoniator for PC development is 8GB, when >90% of PC gamers use cards with 6GB of VRAM or less? Are you even aware of how rare high ends card are? Polaris was the first generation where >6GB cards were affordable for the masses with the 8GB 470 and 480.

So you admit the only examples you can find are using mods (LMFAO) and is otherwise assumed based on speculation and nothing else? One or two benchmarks intentionally written to break hardware HARDLY count as general gaming.

dirtyferretI look forward to seeing this card out of stock everywhere but ebay for twice the MSRP.


I would think so but you really shouldn't game like that especially if you want to have little Vayras with Mrs. Vayra.

TheinsanegamerNHow about you post some of those examples? People often clamor that there is plenty of evidence that VRAM limits are an issue, yet never can post to tests showing the results. Maybe a youtube video at BEST, but never any well tested, verified results. One of the biggest symptoms of VRAM limitations is stuttering, which is represented by attrocious 1% low FPS. Most review sites test this now. I've yet to see ONE that shows such behaviour from a 3070 or 3080.

Are you REALLY insinuating that the the common demoniator for PC development is 8GB, when >90% of PC gamers use cards with 6GB of VRAM or less? Are you even aware of how rare high ends card are? Polaris was the first generation where >6GB cards were affordable for the masses with the 8GB 470 and 480.

So you admit the only examples you can find are using mods (LMFAO) and is otherwise assumed based on speculation and nothing else? One or two benchmarks intentionally written to break hardware HARDLY count as general gaming.