Tuesday, May 18th 2021

NVIDIA Officially Announces RTX 30-series LHR Lineup

NVIDIA today has officially announced what we have gotten to know through sheer power of will, speculation, and leaks. The company took to a blog post to announce a new, revised lineup of RTX 30-series graphics cards, spanning from the RTX 3060 all the way to the premium RTX 3080 graphics card. All of these will now ship with a new silicon revision (the last 0 has been replaced with a 2, so we're now looking at GA102-202, GA04-302, etc.). LHR effectively halves each of these graphics cards' output in Ethereum mining, which is currently the greatest driver behind mining (and scalping) acquisition of graphics cards.

NVIDIA has also clarified that AIB partners will be clearly labeling their graphics cards with stickers denoting their "LHR" nature, both in the box and card itself, so that customers can know with utmost certainty what they are actually acquiring - though this only applies to newly-manufactured graphics cards, and not to the ones already in the retail channel, for obvious reasons. We are thus looking at a situation where we can find ourselves with two secondary markets for NVIDIA's RTX 30-series cards: one for miners, with non-LHR graphics cards and sold at much-inflated prices, and LHR-cards which should be in keeping with their MSRP - eventually. It remains to be seen whether or not we'll have to cope with yet another scalping arms race for the LHR cards as well, since there is surely a significant market still hungering for the 30-series performance.
Source: NVIDIA Blog
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47 Comments on NVIDIA Officially Announces RTX 30-series LHR Lineup

#1
Solaris17
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I have mixed feelings about controlling this and I dislike mining.

If I were a nvidia and was trying this. I wouldn't segment the market. I would make everything LHR except the /actual/ mining specific cards.
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#2
dcf-joe
I could be mistaken, but wouldn't scalpers and the likes continue to mass purchase cards and still be able to sell them at way above MSRP, regardless of the mining capabilities? I see the demand being too high for the supply.
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#3
DeeJay1001
I give it maybe 3 days of these being on the market before a workaround is leaked. This is all just BS pandering for Nvidia to try to remedy a damaged PR record.
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#4
randompeep
Now I can finally (uh, by the end of 2022 maybe) get a RX 470/570 at a decent price after missing its lowest 'bid' ~80$
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#5
RedelZaVedno
NGreedia's desperate attempt to avoid used mining dGPUs to overflow the market. They wanna have the best piece of mining cake without stomach aches to follow after mining craze collapses. I hope Jensen missed this train already.
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#6
napata
RedelZaVednoNGreedia's desperate attempt to avoid used mining dGPUs to overflow the market. They wanna have the best piece of mining cake without stomach aches to follow after mining craze collapses. I hope Jensen missed this train already.
It's a win-win for everyone involved, except the miners. It's most certainly done to profit more so they can sell their mining cards for high prices and prevent mining GPU on the used market but without knowing how long the current situation is going to last it's the best thing they could do. For all we know the current mining situation is going to last until ETH goes POS in 2 years. That's not a timeframe we can just wait out.

2 years of current prices will be disastrous for the PC gaming market. Doing nothing is not a solution imo. Mining has the potential to have an enourmous negative impact on gaming if it lasts too long and Nvidia knows this.
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#7
_Flare
They promoted Ray-Tracing and didn´t bring zero-hashrate cards.
Gave birth to their ray-tracing child and killed it right away.
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#8
ppn
1:2 not good. the limiter should be 1:64.
and whattomine reports that ERG is $15 when ETH is just $12, maybe not for long, but still what's the point. to limit just one.
just disable the CUDA capability completely or something.
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#9
xkm1948
Good. Miners can go buy crypto mining cards, these is a specific segment for that now. Gamers buy gaming cards, miners buy mining cards. Great decision. Segment the market!
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#10
N3utro
I wish this would work but any attempt by nvidia to limit mining will eventually fail because they never designed this feature in the conception phase of their cards years ago, so it's just a workaround from them to try to achieve this goal.

For this to work they would have to release cards that have been designed specifically for identifing mining alogrithms, which will evolve with time, and have a team of people working 24/7 to keep the detection system up to date, which is not what they have right now.

If i was a miner i would try to identify precisely what are the triggers that would activate the LHR system and adapt my algorithm to avoid detection. Shouldn't be too hard. I give LHR a month or less before a workaround emerges.
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#11
ixi
Don't like that they havent mentioned 3070 ti and 3080 ti...
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#12
lynx29
dcf-joeI could be mistaken, but wouldn't scalpers and the likes continue to mass purchase cards and still be able to sell them at way above MSRP, regardless of the mining capabilities? I see the demand being too high for the supply.
yep its the new PS5. LOL

might as well just wait until 2023 at this point when there will be an oversupply of all silicon, once those new factories get going. not only will things be MSRP then, but probably on sale as well cause so much supply overload.
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#13
ixi
lynx29yep its the new PS5. LOL

might as well just wait until 2023 at this point when there will be an oversupply of all silicon, once those new factories get going. not only will things be MSRP then, but probably on sale as well cause so much supply overload.
Forget it, companies will find a way to screw us too :).
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#14
Xex360
dcf-joeI could be mistaken, but wouldn't scalpers and the likes continue to mass purchase cards and still be able to sell them at way above MSRP, regardless of the mining capabilities? I see the demand being too high for the supply.
I don't think Scalpers are to blame anymore, the cards are expensive from the retailers already.
According to Hardware Unboxed, AIBs and the rest of the supply chain are to blame, which makes sense as the cards are priced double when available in stores here.
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#15
KainXS
The prices of the old 30 series is just going to skyrocket even more now.
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#16
Octavean
This might effect change if it isn’t defeated for some time because it will likely take time for the market to recover. This takes off pressure though. Miners could make the calculation that it’s worth overpaying for a gaming card that might or might not be LHR limited if that were unknown. That wouldn‘t help anyone. Knowing that the givin card is limited should act as a deterrent for miners as they won’t see it fit for purpos.

Now the pool of competition is with gamers and scalpers. As more gamers get their card of choice it becomes harder for scalpers to make a profit. During this period look for scalpers to gradually lower their prices as their ill gotten product stock loses its artificially inflated value,.....look but don’t buy from them.

It should be pointed out that in many cases if you’re diligent you can probably still buy a card. There is stock out there being sold, it just goes quickly. Signup for stock alerts and when alerted be prepared to drop everything and attempt to buy (having already setup an account / payment method from the e-tailer). If it doesn’t work then try again. I was able to buy three PS5 units this way (for family members). Now I need to try with video cards.
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#17
londiste
Solaris17If I were a nvidia and was trying this. I wouldn't segment the market. I would make everything LHR except the /actual/ mining specific cards.
This is exactly what they are doing, isn't it? The only exception seems to be RTX 3090 but that is priced outside any semblance of normal anyway.
DeeJay1001I give it maybe 3 days of these being on the market before a workaround is leaked. This is all just BS pandering for Nvidia to try to remedy a damaged PR record.
I am willing to bet that there will not be a workaround in 3 days. 3060 still has limitations that stand even with the open drivers.
_FlareThey promoted Ray-Tracing and didn´t bring zero-hashrate cards.
Zero hashrate is much simpler to detect and defeat than half hashrate. Zero hashrate could be much more complex to implement as well if we want cards to function normally outside mining.
ixiDon't like that they havent mentioned 3070 ti and 3080 ti...
Simple, neither of these exists officially. Yet.
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#18
trparky
When can we expect to be seeing these cards on store shelves and online stores such as Newegg?
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#19
NuCore
GA104-302 not GA04-302 ;)
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#20
the54thvoid
xkm1948Good. Miners can go buy crypto mining cards, these is a specific segment for that now. Gamers buy gaming cards, miners buy mining cards. Great decision. Segment the market!
+1. They do it for 'HPC' parts already. They throw in ECC in drivers add some RAM and charge double or more. AMD as well. Using one chip across different markets isn't a new thing.
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#21
Metroid
DeeJay1001I give it maybe 3 days of these being on the market before a workaround is leaked. This is all just BS pandering for Nvidia to try to remedy a damaged PR record.
The truth here is, nvidia partners will be sending unlocked gaming gpus to huge mining farms around the globe for a price. Only the average guy will get the lock. This is just another market bs done by nvidia --> "hey we like gamers, we are doing something" ehhehehehehehehehehehehehe, in the meantime, there we have nvidia and its partners sending thousands of gaming gpus to huge mining farms, they call them --> partners.
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#22
PapaTaipei
1. Not gonna buy GPU with useless RTX transistors that I will never use.
2. Not gonna buy second hands 30xx series even for 100 bucks.
3. Waiting for next gen.
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#23
Chomiq
KainXSThe prices of the old 30 series is just going to skyrocket even more now.
Looking forward to it as they are already unobtainable for regular Joe over here.
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#24
looniam
MetroidThe truth here is, nvidia partners will be sending unlocked gaming gpus to huge mining farms around the globe for a price. Only the average guy will get the lock. This is just another market bs done by nvidia --> "hey we like gamers, we are doing something" ehhehehehehehehehehehehehe, in the meantime, there we have nvidia and its partners sending thousands of gaming gpus to huge mining farms, they call them --> partners.
winner winner chicken dinner.

out of all the gpu mining farms i've seen all of them have gigabyte, msi or zotac branding all over them. pretty sure my next motherboard will be supermicro. (fingers crossed)
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#25
xorbe
What they should have done is let mining run "full speed" but inject a random bit flip every couple seconds so that the results are unusable. :D (Easy there, Satan!)
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