Friday, June 18th 2021

Intel DG2 Graphics Card Leakers Suggest Performance Similar to NVIDIA RTX 3070 Ti, AMD RX 6700

Intel's foray into the discrete GPU market is inching ever closer, and with that diminishing time to market, leaks are getting more common. Renowned leaker TUM_APISAK has shared some performance numbers for Intel's upcoming DG2 graphics card, part of the company's Xe HPG (High Performance Gaming) architecture. In the leak, he also confirmed that Intel is working on a cut-down version of their top offering (which features 4,096 shading units spread across 512 EUs) in the form of a new SKU that offers 448 EUs and 3584 shading units running at 1.8 GHz. That is the actual chip whose relative performance was shared.

According to TUM_APISAK, users should expect the Intel DG2 448 EU graphics card to offer performance that's around the NVIDIA RTX 3070 (5% lower performance for the Intel part) and AMD's RX 6700 XT (8% lower performance for the Intel part). As for the performance of the full-fat 512 EU chip, another leaker, Moore's Law is Dead, expects its performance to fall very slightly lower than the performance offered by NVIDIA's RTX 3080 and AMD's RX 6800/6800 XT. The 512-EU DG2 should also feature higher Boost clocks up to 2.2 GHz. Intel's launch of their Xe HPG graphics architecture is expected to occur before the end of the year, likely starting with the highest performance/highest margin parts, trickling down the product stack through the beginning of 2022. Intel's launch should help in alleviating the lack of available graphics cards, whilst simultaneously breaking a duopoly market.
Source: Videocardz
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75 Comments on Intel DG2 Graphics Card Leakers Suggest Performance Similar to NVIDIA RTX 3070 Ti, AMD RX 6700

#1
Bomby569
pretty good for a first try at it. Let's hope another player can make a difference in this shortage
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#2
Colddecked
Sounds good but at what power draw and price? Also is this being built on tsmc 7n or an intel process? If its tsmc, I don't see how that would help the current situation. Also judging from all the iris xe youtube comparison videos, their drivers still need alot of work.
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#3
V3ctor
I've been reading about this for soooo long... My hype is basically gone.

Even if they launch it with similar performances to good GPUs (of now), in a year the new RTX 4080 will appear and leave Intel in the dust again...
Stop leaking stuff... just send it!

We need GPUs now, and Intel could sell a whole bunch of them really fast, the market is needing powwaaa
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#4
Fleurious
Would be great if these rumours turn out to be correct. A third player in the high end GPU market will be nice.
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#5
watzupken
Whether this is true or not, I think it won't matter much since I think this product is only launching very late this year if not next year. That leaves it with a year or less before it will be competing with the RTX 4000 and RX 7000 series, which will be way out of its league to compete. So again, even if the supposed performance is as good as the rumours, I don't have high hopes for Intel's GPU.
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#6
LFaWolf
Why is everyone assuming the next gen rtx 4000 will be released in 2022? With the shortage at tsmc, I am almost certain next gen won’t be here until 2023. 2022 may see a refresh, but I don’t see next gen coming in such a short time. The rtx 3xxxx was only released in late 2020.
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#7
Colddecked
Well all know it really depends on pricing. If they want to be a market disruptor I hope they're prepared to eat some profit in order to gain market share.
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#8
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
FleuriousWould be great if these rumours turn out to be correct. A third player in the high end GPU market will be nice.
A third player in any gaming market would be nice. And the low/midrange is a bigger market than the high end.

For true success, RTX 2060 performance at €200 and plenty of stock. And GTX 1660TI at €150.
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#9
Dragokar
They are build by TSMC, so yeah you can calculate how many 7nm+ wafers Intel got there.....
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#10
Slizzo
LFaWolfWhy is everyone assuming the next gen rtx 4000 will be released in 2022? With the shortage at tsmc, I am almost certain next gen won’t be here until 2023. 2022 may see a refresh, but I don’t see next gen coming in such a short time. The rtx 3xxxx was only released in late 2020.
While there still are shortages, that doesn't stop R&D progress, and NVIDIA, AMD, etc. are all still making money hand over fist. New GPUs are going to be on a new process, they'll release them as they'll still make money on them.
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#11
ZoneDymo
I'd take one, if they dont pull a typical intel and try to be the high and mighty top brand out of the gate.
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#12
Raevenlord
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ColddeckedSounds good but at what power draw and price? Also is this being built on tsmc 7n or an intel process? If its tsmc, I don't see how that would help the current situation. Also judging from all the iris xe youtube comparison videos, their drivers still need alot of work.
It helps because intel isn't biting into the 7 nm allocation for other TSMC customers. TSMC wouldn't say "hey AMD, we have this contract for these quantities, but now Intel also wants a piece of the pie, so you'll receive less".

That's not how it works. If TSMC builds Intel's chips, it is because they had available capacity to sell them. And that means either a) additional capacity coming online or b) reduced quantity requirements from other customers for the same process and timeframe (because they are transitioning to another process, for example).

So, yes. Intel's GPUs will add more product to the market, it won't simply shuffle percentages around.
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#13
neatfeatguy
If things pan out as suggested for performance from Intel's DGPUs and they're priced similar to what the AMD/Nvidia equivalents MSRP (should be) are, I wouldn't care if I got a GPU from Intel, AMD or Nvidia at this rate. I'm not looking to break the bank, but I also don't want to spend $500+ on a GPU that's maybe 35-40% faster than my 980Ti (looking at you RTX 3060, you're lucky if you can find one around the $500 range right now). I'd like to get something that's priced well and has a decent performance gains over a 6 year old top-end GPU.
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#14
Colddecked
RaevenlordIt helps because intel isn't biting into the 7 nm allocation for other TSMC customers. TSMC wouldn't say "hey AMD, we have this contract for these quantities, but now Intel also wants a piece of the pie, so you'll receive less".

That's not how it works. If TSMC builds Intel's chips, it is because they had available capacity to sell them. And that means either a) additional capacity coming online or b) reduced quantity requirements from other customers for the same process and timeframe (because they are transitioning to another process, for example).

So, yes. Intel's GPUs will add more product to the market, it won't simply shuffle percentages around.
Doesn't that still ultimately mean there's less availability for AMD since they could also take advantage of a and b? The total number of cards doesn't really change from whatever TSMC can pump out is my point.
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#15
ZoneDymo
neatfeatguyIf things pan out as suggested for performance from Intel's DGPUs and they're priced similar to what the AMD/Nvidia equivalents MSRP (should be) are, I wouldn't care if I got a GPU from Intel, AMD or Nvidia at this rate. I'm not looking to break the bank, but I also don't want to spend $500+ on a GPU that's maybe 35-40% faster than my 980Ti (looking at you RTX 3060, you're lucky if you can find one around the $500 range right now). I'd like to get something that's priced well and has a decent performance gains over a 6 year old top-end GPU.
"I'd like to get something that's priced well and has a decent performance gains over a 6 year old top-end GPU."

idk what drugs you are smoking but ill take some
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#16
Raevenlord
News Editor
ColddeckedDoesn't that still ultimately mean there's less availability for AMD since they could also take advantage of a and b? The total number of cards doesn't really change from whatever TSMC can pump out is my point.
There isn't less availability for AMD, availability stays the same. Yes, they could have More than currently, if AMD were to pick up the capacity instead of Intel, but availability won't decrease from current levels.

The total number of cards changes when the manufactured product changes. If Qualcomm uses less 7 nm capacity (for SoC) because they're moving to 5 nm, and Intel picks up the capacity that Qualcomm abandoned, now you have effectively more chips for GPUs than you had before.

There are obviously scenarios where total GPUs available declines - AMD reducing GPU orders, for example, and Intel picking those up. But if AMD reduces orders, it's because they expect demand to decline, and so for us Consumers, we'd likely have the perception of higher availability anyway, due to less strain on available quantities (assuming AMD was right in projecting a contracting demand).
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#17
rutra80
Such performance would be freaking awesome. I don't even care about TDP - just give me decent drivers, MSRP price of 3070, availability, and it will sell like hot buns.
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#18
Colddecked
RaevenlordThere isn't less availability for AMD, availability stays the same. Yes, they could have More than currently, if AMD were to pick up the capacity instead of Intel, but availability won't decrease from current levels.

The total number of cards changes when the manufactured product changes. If Qualcomm uses less 7 nm capacity (for SoC) because they're moving to 5 nm, and Intel picks up the capacity that Qualcomm abandoned, now you have effectively more chips for GPUs than you had before.

There are obviously scenarios where total GPUs available declines - AMD reducing GPU orders, for example, and Intel picking those up. But if AMD reduces orders, it's because they expect demand to decline, and so for us Consumers, we'd likely have the perception of higher availability anyway, due to less strain on available quantities (assuming AMD was right in projecting a contracting demand).
I think we ultimately agree everything is dependent on TSMC's output, and I understand your point that if apple or QC move to 5nm then alot of 7nm availability opens up which could be used by Intel or AMD for chips. But that's not Intel jumping in that helps the situation, its Apple or QC moving to a smaller process.
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#19
Raevenlord
News Editor
rutra80Such performance would be freaking awesome. I don't even care about TDP - just give me decent drivers, MSRP price of 3070, availability, and it will sell like hot buns.
Intel should price it slightly lower simply to accelerate market penetration. Not much lower though - Intel is a name brand.
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#20
HD64G
Me thinks too late to help with the shortage and it will be made on TSMC, so neither on this would be helpful. But the 3rd player entering a duopoly will help for sure with the price competition for the benefit of the consumers. If the product is proven competitive that is... Let's hope for our best it will be.
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#21
Quicks
This is great hope they succeed. Might consider buying one if the price is right. Maybe they can actually do Ray Tracing without the big performance hit!
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#22
LemmingOverlord
FleuriousWould be great if these rumours turn out to be correct. A third player in the high end GPU market will be nice.
We need a third foundry to address chip shortages.
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#23
chstamos
I'm tired of the hype and nearing preview-exhaustion as well... however if intel can provide ~3070 and 3080-level performance at the start of next year, it doesn't matter so much if the high end has moved past that. As long as they can price them accordingly, a true mid-range GPU performer by intel sells like hotcakes. AMD and -particularly- nVidia had been in the process of practically phasing out the midrange gpus at midrange prices even before the shortages. An intel entry could see people get excited about this pricerange after many years.

Come on intel. Give us a Geforce Ti 4200.
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#24
dragontamer5788
watzupkenWhether this is true or not, I think it won't matter much since I think this product is only launching very late this year if not next year. That leaves it with a year or less before it will be competing with the RTX 4000 and RX 7000 series, which will be way out of its league to compete. So again, even if the supposed performance is as good as the rumours, I don't have high hopes for Intel's GPU.
People are still talking about Rx 580 and GTX 1060. Because the current GPU-market is so terrible, even really old used GPUs are selling right now.

As long as DG2 is better than a GTX1060, I think people will give it a look. This chip shortage in 2021 suck.
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#25
rutra80
A couple of years ago I purchased used RX 580 for ~150$
In normal times it would be worth now ~100$ or less
I could sell it for ~500$ now - isn't this madness?
It really is the best time for Intel to deliver.
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