Friday, July 16th 2021

Samsung Exynos 2200 SoC, Built on 4 nm, Packs Faster RDNA2 GPU

Samsung intends to take its partnership with AMD for graphics further, by designing its next-generation Exynos 2200 "Pamir" SoC with a faster GPU based on the AMD RDNA2 graphics architecture. Bound for the second half of 2021, Exynos 2200 will be built on Samsung's swanky new 4 nanometer 4LPP (4 nm Low Power Plus) silicon fabrication node, and integrate an RDNA2-based GPU codenamed "Voyager." Samsung hopes to compete with Qualcomm's Snapdragon 895 SoC and its Adreno 730 GPU. Interestingly, the new Snapdragon is also expected to be built on the same Samsung 4 nm node. It will be interesting to see what device the Exynos 2200 debuts with, given that both the Galaxy S22 and Galaxy Note 21 won't arrive before 2022.
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23 Comments on Samsung Exynos 2200 SoC, Built on 4 nm, Packs Faster RDNA2 GPU

#1
stimpy88
4nm LOL

Gotta love Samsungs "creative" marketing.
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#2
AnarchoPrimitiv
I wonder if this partnership with AMD would eventually lead to AMD using their wafers
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Richards
Samsung dominance is coming.. Its over for apple and qualcom
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windwhirl
stimpy884nm LOL

Gotta love Samsungs "creative" marketing.
Everything is marketing, TSMC's branding of 7nm is marketing too. There's nothing that tells you "this is 7 nm [whatever feature]."
RichardsSamsung dominance is coming.. Its over for apple and qualcom
Pfft, unlikely. Apple's market is completely differentiated from Android. And Qualcomm could easily retire and live off all the patents they hold over critical communication standards (5G, 4G, CDMA2000, etc.), if they wanted. Besides, if you think that they're gonna get stuck or allow themselves to be left behind, you have another thing coming.
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defaultluser
windwhirlEverything is marketing, TSMC's branding of 7nm is marketing too. There's nothing that tells you "this is 7 nm [whatever feature]."


Pfft, unlikely. Apple's market is completely differentiated from Android. And Qualcomm could easily retire and live off all the patents they hold over critical communication standards (5G, 4G, CDMA2000, etc.), if they wanted. Besides, if you think that they're gonna get stuck or allow themselves to be left behind, you have another thing coming.
Yeah, anyone believing the hype from either Samsung or Qualcomm needs to get a room.

Qualcomm They only continue the Adreno development because AMD handed them a team that was fully-capable of maintaining it's lead over Mali. The custom CPU devs drop if they get beaten just once.

Samsung: continue to hit walls with their process nodes ,thus holding back everything they make, including Qualcomm ( for a limited time, untill they go back to tsmc) . If the process gap gets bigger, Qualcomm ill leave permanently for TSMC
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#6
DeathtoGnomes
AnarchoPrimitivI wonder if this partnership with AMD would eventually lead to AMD using their wafers
They might be forced to if Intel completes the deal with GloFo
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#7
windwhirl
AnarchoPrimitivI wonder if this partnership with AMD would eventually lead to AMD using their wafers
DeathtoGnomesThey might be forced to if Intel completes the deal with GloFo
Well, it wouldn't be a bad choice for sourcing at least the IOD. Samsung probably has better nodes than GF, even if they're not at TSMC's level. Maybe they could go as far as sourcing some specific products through Samsung's fabs.
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#8
lynx29
RichardsSamsung dominance is coming.. Its over for apple and qualcom
I've had really bad luck with my samsung galaxy a50, it reboots on its own all the time for no reason... even after factory reset and the free upgrade to android 11 recently... battery doesn't last as long as advertised, and its filled with bloatware I can't get rid of like facebook, etc.

honestly I rarely even use my phone, I only need it for business/sometimes family/friends (my friends all use whatsapp/steam/etc)

so... seriously considering going to Apple with their next flagship in September/October... it will last me a solid 5+ years possibly longer if I pay $50 for the battery replacement when it needs it... since I am not a power user. Apple has one thing right, its unified ecosystem is awesome at security, no bloat, and just works.

that being said... its the only Apple product I'd ever consider buying.
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#9
prtskg
lynx29I've had really bad luck with my samsung galaxy a50, it reboots on its own all the time for no reason... even after factory reset and the free upgrade to android 11 recently... battery doesn't last as long as advertised, and its filled with bloatware I can't get rid of like facebook, etc.

honestly I rarely even use my phone, I only need it for business/sometimes family/friends (my friends all use whatsapp/steam/etc)

so... seriously considering going to Apple with their next flagship in September/October... it will last me a solid 5+ years possibly longer if I pay $50 for the battery replacement when it needs it... since I am not a power user. Apple has one thing right, its unified ecosystem is awesome at security, no bloat, and just works.

that being said... its the only Apple product I'd ever consider buying.
Restarting problem in phone happens because your battery can't provide sufficient power to your phone. It needs replacement. Happened in my phone too. Fit as a fiddle now due to change in battery.

On another note, I hope GF gets bought up by Intel and AMD starts using Samsung fab more. While they are behind TSMC, they're much better choice than GF.
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#10
lynx29
prtskgRestarting problem in phone happens because your battery can't provide sufficient power to your phone. It needs replacement. Happened in my phone too. Fit as a fiddle now due to change in battery.

On another note, I hope GF gets bought up by Intel and AMD starts using Samsung fab more. While they are behind TSMC, they're much better choice than GF.
dang I read GF as girlfriend for a min, and then I remembered I am lonely irl. LOL

who the heck is trustworthy to change my battery on the cheap? I am afraid if I go to some random joe they will just replace with it a "slightly used" battery and charge for new regardless... anywhere Official I can have it done so peace of mind?
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#11
Luminescent
Qualcomm had the advantage of AMD IP and Apple basically stole whatever they could and always had a better node than the rest with TSMC.
Once Samsung has the better GPU i don't see why they can't beat qualcomm and apple, they probably pay a hefty price for this but it might be worth it in the long run, if US doesn't start banning Samsung devices and all that.
If you remember Apple bitched about Samsung for a long time and asked for favors from former president Trump who spilled the beans to reporters, you can find it on youtube.
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#12
Richards
LuminescentQualcomm had the advantage of AMD IP and Apple basically stole whatever they could and always had a better node than the rest with TSMC.
Once Samsung has the better GPU i don't see why they can't beat qualcomm and apple, they probably pay a hefty price for this but it might be worth it in the long run, if US doesn't start banning Samsung devices and all that.
If you remember Apple bitched about Samsung for a long time and asked for favors from former president Trump who spilled the beans to reporters, you can find it on youtube.
Apple are scared of competition.. trump destroyed Huawei's sales when there where beating apple
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#13
prtskg
lynx29dang I read GF as girlfriend for a min, and then I remembered I am lonely irl. LOL

who the heck is trustworthy to change my battery on the cheap? I am afraid if I go to some random joe they will just replace with it a "slightly used" battery and charge for new regardless... anywhere Official I can have it done so peace of mind?
I prefer using service centres for these kinds of work. It's costly but work is usually good.
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#14
TheinsanegamerN
lynx29I've had really bad luck with my samsung galaxy a50, it reboots on its own all the time for no reason... even after factory reset and the free upgrade to android 11 recently... battery doesn't last as long as advertised, and its filled with bloatware I can't get rid of like facebook, etc.

honestly I rarely even use my phone, I only need it for business/sometimes family/friends (my friends all use whatsapp/steam/etc)

so... seriously considering going to Apple with their next flagship in September/October... it will last me a solid 5+ years possibly longer if I pay $50 for the battery replacement when it needs it... since I am not a power user. Apple has one thing right, its unified ecosystem is awesome at security, no bloat, and just works.

that being said... its the only Apple product I'd ever consider buying.
The samsung A series are all junk. A50s, A40s. ece, never seen one go for more then a year without developing issues, and restarts with system wipes were common. total garbage.

Motorola's budget phones are WAY better, larger batteries and a much lower failure rate.
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#15
lynx29
TheinsanegamerNThe samsung A series are all junk. A50s, A40s. ece, never seen one go for more then a year without developing issues, and restarts with system wipes were common. total garbage.

Motorola's budget phones are WAY better, larger batteries and a much lower failure rate.
I am most likely switching over to the third gen iphone SE when it comes out in early 2022. I really don't use my phone for anything, so I prefer to be on a solid ecosystem... plus for work it will just more simple that way. Rumors are it may only cost $299 or $349 as well... so that's nice.
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#16
Khonjel
lynx29I've had really bad luck with my samsung galaxy a50, it reboots on its own all the time for no reason... even after factory reset and the free upgrade to android 11 recently... battery doesn't last as long as advertised, and its filled with bloatware I can't get rid of like facebook, etc.

honestly I rarely even use my phone, I only need it for business/sometimes family/friends (my friends all use whatsapp/steam/etc)

so... seriously considering going to Apple with their next flagship in September/October... it will last me a solid 5+ years possibly longer if I pay $50 for the battery replacement when it needs it... since I am not a power user. Apple has one thing right, its unified ecosystem is awesome at security, no bloat, and just works.

that being said... its the only Apple product I'd ever consider buying.
I'm in the same boat. I barely do anything besides watch videos or browse the web on my phone these days. That's why I bought a cheap-ass Poco M3 when my last phone gave out. It's in the $170 range iirc.

It's cheap enough that it won't financially drain me when (not if) it dies out on me. With locked batteries and fast charging wars, it's a matter of time until these things die.

If it doesn't die on me, it has Snapdragon SoC and enough indian nerds on XDA to give me almost lifetime of support. Not to mention Google Camera ports.

TBH I would've bought Samsung anyway cause I heard MIUI sucks (it does) and I heard good things about their OneUI. But after shopping around and comparing I found out that Samsung does only one year warranty albeit it's industry standard. But I didn't wanna pay for Samsung brand value, however much polished their software supposedly is.
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#17
lynx29
KhonjelI'm in the same boat. I barely do anything besides watch videos or browse the web on my phone these days. That's why I bought a cheap-ass Poco M3 when my last phone gave out. It's in the $170 range iirc.

It's cheap enough that it won't financially drain me when (not if) it dies out on me. With locked batteries and fast charging wars, it's a matter of time until these things die.

If it doesn't die on me, it has Snapdragon SoC and enough indian nerds on XDA to give me almost lifetime of support. Not to mention Google Camera ports.

TBH I would've bought Samsung anyway cause I heard MIUI sucks (it does) and I heard good things about their OneUI. But after shopping around and comparing I found out that Samsung does only one year warranty albeit it's industry standard. But I didn't wanna pay for Samsung brand value, however much polished their software supposedly is.
my next phone will be a Nokia if I stick with Android. I been to Finland before and really loved it there, so want to support a Finnish company if possible. and they have 3 years OS support and monthly security updates.
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#18
prtskg
lynx29my next phone will be a Nokia if I stick with Android. I been to Finland before and really loved it there, so want to support a Finnish company if possible. and they have 3 years OS support and monthly security updates.
As far as I know, Nokia has worst restarting problems out of all brands. Aside from that, it's great, especially the stock android experience.
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#19
R0H1T
lynx29I been to Finland before and really loved it there, so want to support a Finnish company if possible. and they have 3 years OS support and monthly security updates.
Yeah except Nokia, the mobile company, is about as Finnish as Xiaomi ~ i.e. almost completely Chinese IIRC? And not sure about the latter claim either, I know Oneplus backpedaled on some of those claims & pretty sure not many companies are offering 3 year support on all their mobiles
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windwhirl
R0H1TYeah except Nokia, the mobile company, is about as Finnish as Xiaomi ~ i.e. almost completely Chinese IIRC? And not sure about the latter claim either, I know Oneplus backpedaled on some of those claims & pretty sure not many companies are offering 3 year support on all their mobiles
Nope. Nokia and HMD are both Finnish companies. However, Nokia itself only licenses the brand and the technology and patents, in exchange for royalties and mandating certain requirements. HMD is the one in charge of making the phones.
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#21
prtskg
R0H1TYeah except Nokia, the mobile company, is about as Finnish as Xiaomi ~ i.e. almost completely Chinese IIRC? And not sure about the latter claim either, I know Oneplus backpedaled on some of those claims & pretty sure not many companies are offering 3 year support on all their mobiles
I agree with 'Windwhirl' here. Do you have any proof to support your claim of 'Nokia being being almost completely Chinese'.
I have Nokia phones in my home. OS update is for 2 years and security update for 3 years. They're pretty good with updates, imo.
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#22
R0H1T
windwhirlHMD is the one in charge of making the phones.
I know that bit & I also know that the phones are 100% manufactured outside Finland, also in India.
prtskgDo you have any proof to support your claim of 'Nokia being being almost completely Chinese'.
Well how about they're made in China, almost 100% & software I'm not totally sure if they're using stock Android for all their phones or some other Chinese custom UI?
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#23
windwhirl
R0H1TI know that bit & I also know that the phones are 100% manufactured outside Finland, also in India.

Well how about they're made in China, almost 100% & software I'm not totally sure if they're using stock Android for all their phones or some other Chinese custom UI?
Dude, like 99% of everything is made in China. Might as well say that every piece of hardware in the world is compromised by nature of origin.
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