Wednesday, October 19th 2022
Intel Claims 11 Percent Gaming Performance Advantage of the Core i9-13900K Over AMD's Ryzen 9 7950X
Intel has been busy briefing its customers about its 13th gen Core processors and courtesy of a reader over at Videocardz, we now know a little bit more about Intel's positioning of its Core i9-13900K processor. In the slides, Intel is pitching its upcoming flagship CPU against AMD's current flagship, the Ryzen 9 7950X, which is hardly surprising, since it'll be its main competitor. Intel put the two CPUs through 12 game benchmarks using an unknown graphics card and on average, the Core i9-13900K leads by around 11 percent. As always, take the numbers with a sprinkle of salt, especially as we don't know the system configuration, or even what resolution was used, but we'd hazard a guess that it's 1080p or lower. Intel only allowed for one game win for AMD, with Intel being as much as 22 percent ahead in The Riftbreaker.
Intel also claims to lead in content creation, but this doesn't appear to be quite true, as AMD either comes out on top or ties with Intel in all of the Pugetbench tests. Intel is somewhat ahead in AutoCAD Catalyst and a healthy 16 percent ahead in Autodesk Revit, but as we know, the type of scene being rendered can have a huge impact in these types of tests, as we've seen from both camps. On the plus side, here it appears that content creators shouldn't have to worry too much about which CPU is in their system, as both should be performing exceptionally well. Intel is set to launch its 13th gen Core processors tomorrow, so it won't be long until we'll have some third party benchmarks comparing the two CPUs.
Source:
Videocardz
Intel also claims to lead in content creation, but this doesn't appear to be quite true, as AMD either comes out on top or ties with Intel in all of the Pugetbench tests. Intel is somewhat ahead in AutoCAD Catalyst and a healthy 16 percent ahead in Autodesk Revit, but as we know, the type of scene being rendered can have a huge impact in these types of tests, as we've seen from both camps. On the plus side, here it appears that content creators shouldn't have to worry too much about which CPU is in their system, as both should be performing exceptionally well. Intel is set to launch its 13th gen Core processors tomorrow, so it won't be long until we'll have some third party benchmarks comparing the two CPUs.
69 Comments on Intel Claims 11 Percent Gaming Performance Advantage of the Core i9-13900K Over AMD's Ryzen 9 7950X
I have this board in another build and it's actually good... AMD has nothing that can hold a AM5 cpu in this range. Those are pretty different boats. The 13th gen motherboards are on a dead socket so not sure why anyone would want to splurge extra on LGA1700 at this point.
The Rog Maximus is the #1 seller at Microcenter for Z690. The 13900K/KF pre-orders are sold out at NewEgg.
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But honestly even on my 8700K it runs perfectly fine at that stage. And the game burns out of new things / challenge rather quickly, too :D
All these CPU wins are mostly theoretical, I don't see how it's useful unless you run the fastest GPU at a low res. Anything 6core/ 8thread with 4Ghz and up today is just fine for everything in gaming land, diminishing returns strike hard above it. There is this fight over some gaming crown I hear, in CPU land. Okay. Enjoy... They'll need some sort of cpu based ray tracing to make it useful :P
www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230496/intel-core-i913900k-processor-36m-cache-up-to-5-80-ghz/specifications.html
It can't exceed 250w at stock even if it wanted to do, it's power limited
The additional E cores will also lead to a good improvement on MT over previous generation. The cache is a nice bonus and subtle improvements in IPC to both cores are a good plus. The idle and boost frequencies are generally better tuned thanks to the E core improvements which improves efficiency scaling and opens up some thermal improvements for better boosts or quieter operation. Those are all bigger gripes I had with Alder Lake design. The odd one out appears like the 13700K though the power limits and intention binning differences might make the 13600K value than it appears at face value. The opposite could also be true though it might actually do exceedingly well and max power limit isn't as constraining as it may appear like. We'll see after more in depth review analysis.
I don't think you can say anything bad about the 13900K provided you stick to stock power limits or preferably optimize for efficiency. I think they will be exceptional chips to hand tune and leverage though the multiplier changes should be very interesting. If you're a overclocker or undervolting enthusiast at heart these look quite fun. What will happen on 13900K if you take 8 of those 16 of the E cores and reduce the base frequency on those another 800MHz to match the drop in frequency that you see from P cores to E cores. There are 8 of those so why not turn half the E cores into even more efficient E cores on the last 8!!?
All of that aside I'm still waiting on Zen 4 X3D I think it will be a incredible gaming CPU with respectable MT, but if multi-thread performance was my primary consideration I'd probably pick it up 13900K because it looks really good for that purpose. We'll see how reviews go, but that's how it appears to me prior to more in depth cross analysis as opposed random internet leaks and missing relevant data comparisons.
www.anandtech.com/print/17047/the-intel-12th-gen-core-i912900k-review-hybrid-performance-brings-hybrid-complexity
Now if this will translate to multithreading apps like CB23 we will see.
it is just no point looking at leaks now
The 13900K is going to be probably the most fun overclocker/undervolt enthusiast chip since C2Q chips at least with K chips that are unlocked. I'd be more shocked if it wasn't. I think a certain crowd of enthusiasts will have droves of fun poking and prodding at the hardware limitations and how far you can push things in different types of ways. I still believe the odd one out if mostly the 13700K, but the max power limits on 13600K could get end up a limiting factor in the case of a heavier overclock. How much it might hinder value proposition is hard to say. I think 13900K is safe no matter what that chip will be a beast and top binned at the same time.
The only thing I don't know is if Intel will try to cox people into buying the higher unlocked SKU's or really doesn't care in either case. The yields are going to be better on the 13600K and they can always sell more quantity so form Intel's perspective selling twice as many 13600K chips probably doesn't concern the too heavily even if they've got a slight preference to pitching one or the other.
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