That's what happens when they don't make the monitors we want to pay money for. :p

Seriously though. Where is my 5K2K 120hz ultrawide?

FahadThat's what happens when they don't make the monitors we want to pay money for. :p

Seriously though. Where is my 5K2K 120hz ultrawide?

You forgot you also need a 3K GPU to run it too.

So a monitor that costs 1-1.5K, and is far very very from perfect with tradeoffs + a GPU. Reading forums is fine with anything you have already.

Ferrum MasterYou forgot you also need a 3K GPU to run it too.

So a monitor that costs 1-1.5K, and is far very very from perfect with tradeoffs + a GPU. Reading forums is fine with anything you have already.

I'm already on a 3440x1440 100hz ultrawide, in the market for a new one as this one is starting to have issues, but I have no plans of "upgrading" to the same resolution.

Let me worry about the 3K GPU. Thankfully today's games lets me adjust resolution, graphics quality, and super sampling to get the desired FPS.

Just give me my monitor.

I gone with a 43'' TV a few days ago, instead of buying a PC monitor. It might be a bad idea that I probably would never realize until someone comes and put a top PC monitor next to my TV, but I do know that I got a 43'' 120Hz FreeSync Premium and GSync compatible HDR TV for just 450 euros (it sells at 700 euros, I just got lucky). The TV model I am talking about is Philips 43PUS8857. With most PC monitors being curved, my options where limited and while I could still go with a much more logical 32'' high refresh rate PC monitor, I couldn't find everything I really wanted at a sub 500 euros price, for those 32''. The cheapest 120Hz option was over 700 euros.

Maybe manufacturers should start lowering prices and don't ask ridiculous prices for high refresh rate models? A 60Hz PC 4K monitor starts at 300 euros here, hitting the "120Hz +" option in the price searching engine skyrockets the starting price at 746 euros.

Ferrum MasterYou forgot you also need a 3K GPU to run it too.

I have a Vega 7 connected to that TV and at 4K I can't believe the quality of text I am getting. It's not just 3D gaming.

IMO this is just the result of covid lockdowns finally hitting the gaming monitor market. Im sure when entire countries were locked down. everything PC components and peripherals were flying off the shelves. People who would have considered buying a gaming monitor much later on bought one (or three) and the slump you see is because everyone already has one, doesnt need one or cant afford one due to inflation.

It will recover. but i dont think it will recover to 2019 levels as they predicted. Monitors are usually the very last thing on the list that gets upgraded anyway.

FahadThat's what happens when they don't make the monitors we want to pay money for. :p

Seriously though. Where is my 5K2K 120hz ultrawide?

Personally I wouldnt mind a 3:2 ration screen like the MS surface, 4k, true 10-bit colour, no afrc, 120Hz, no anti-glare, vesa mount, external power brick, 100% sRGB (min.) 178/178 viewing angles, maybe built in speakers, DP2.0/2.1, 24"-27", fald backlighting (non-PWM)............ya I'd pay money for that.

We need more OLED monitors for "normal" prices...

I think at least a part of this slump is due to gamers sticking with what they have if they don't really need to upgrade. The same thing a lot of gamers are doing with GPUs. With the uncertain economic situation and inflation it discourages upgrading unless it's really necessary.

If they dont release what people want, that will keep declining, people want mini led flicker free monitors with 2k zones or more.

Doubt it. I'm buying a 4K HDR 120Hz Tv for a new monitor, somewhere in the 48-65 inch range so I can game on the couch.

When they cost as much as GPU... Who exactly would be surprised?

mechtechPersonally I wouldnt mind a 3:2 ration screen like the MS surface, 4k, true 10-bit colour, no afrc, 120Hz, no anti-glare, vesa mount, external power brick, 100% sRGB (min.) 178/178 viewing angles, maybe built in speakers, DP2.0/2.1, 24"-27", fald backlighting (non-PWM)............ya I'd pay money for that.

Hell yeah, the Surface Studio display is amazing, unfortunately it comes with an impossible to upgrade crappy computer attached to it. People have been waiting for Microsoft to lauch a first party Surface Monitor for years but they simply refuse.

Just take the computer out and put in an IO board, don't even need to bother with a usable stand if that's too much for one of the biggest companies in the world, we'll figure it out

john_I gone with a 43'' TV a few days ago, instead of buying a PC monitor. It might be a bad idea that I probably would never realize until someone comes and put a top PC monitor next to my TV, but I do know that I got a 43'' 120Hz FreeSync Premium and GSync compatible HDR TV for just 450 euros (it sells at 700 euros, I just got lucky). The TV model I am talking about is Philips 43PUS8857. With most PC monitors being curved, my options where limited and while I could still go with a much more logical 32'' high refresh rate PC monitor, I couldn't find everything I really wanted at a sub 500 euros price, for those 32''. The cheapest 120Hz option was over 700 euros.

Maybe manufacturers should start lowering prices and don't ask ridiculous prices for high refresh rate models? A 60Hz PC 4K monitor starts at 300 euros here, hitting the "120Hz +" option in the price searching engine skyrockets the starting price at 746 euros.


I have a Vega 7 connected to that TV and at 4K I can't believe the quality of text I am getting. It's not just 3D gaming.

I did basically the same last year- got a good deal from Amazon on a LG OLED55BXPUA 55" that does 120hz native with a 1ms response time. I mean, that rivals the best of gaming monitors (not quite as high of a refresh rate, but the response time is superb, and it's doubtful I'll have a rig that can do 4k HDR at frame rates over 120fps anytime soon anyway! Maybe if I were to invest in a RTX4090 (but that also isn't happening anytime soon! although I WAS disappointed to find that the RTX2080SUPER I have only have HDMI 2.0b (vs HDMI 2.1) so that's my only real limitation, I need HDMI 2.1 (or maybe an adapter exists to convert DP1.4 to HDMI 2.1??) to get enough bandwidth across the link to be able to do 4k HDR @ 120hz....2.0b just can't QUITE handle it....so I guess I need to upgrade to at least a 30-series RTX card, or find a DisplayPort to HDMI adapter that'll pass enough bandwidth to reach the fps target I'm looking for with HDR enabled....otherwise, I couldn't be happier with it! It's BIG, that's for sure, but it's given me superb performance so far :)

Rx8driverI have only have HDMI 2.0b (vs HDMI 2.1) so that's my only real limitation, I need HDMI 2.1 (or maybe an adapter exists to convert DP1.4 to HDMI 2.1??)

Yeah, I was having the same "problem" with my RX 580 having only 2.0b, so I only get 60Hz 4:4:4 HDR at 4K. Fun stuff, the integrated Vega 7 in the Ryzen 5 4600G offers also the option for 120Hz 4:2:0 SDR on top of that 60Hz 4:4:4 HDR. And it is funny because my motherboard says "HDMI 1.4" in the manual. Probably the cable and the GPU is what defines the version of HDMI port on motherboards and not the port itself. Or maybe the manual is wrong.

An adapter could do the trick, IF there is any available, but it will probably be expensive, meaning not $10-$20 but much more. And even in the case it is cheap, would that adapter support all the features, like VRR? Personally, I will probably just keep that money for my next upgrade to a new GPU offering also HDMI 2.1 support.

Now... the FACTS!

You have to be super foolish to think that eSports and internet cafe's reduced traffic are the reasons for a mass GLOBAL ECONOMIC diaster from all 4-winds on earth.

I mean... Google... GOOGLE... e.g. has reduced its cost by enforcing office staff to "share a desk" and freezing all office stationary to a crawl. The remaining employees (after a huge massive layoff that's in the 1Ks and sadly, there's more to come very SOON) has to share a stapler now... whata-whata... that's right, Google's employees now have to SHARE a freaking stapler... but hey, let's think positive about these cafes, etc. reopening up to spike-up the economy! /s

Seriously, who comes up with this stuff, yo?!?! :shadedshu:

This recovery will mostly be driven by three factors:

Three times wishful thinking!

I'm using Dell Professional P2715Q 27" 60 Hz 4K IPS monitor for 8 years now, and if it doesn't die suddenly, I don't think I'll change it in the near future. Because I'm only intetested in:

32"
OLED
Variable refresh rate
120 Hz+
Not worse subpixel matrix than LCD
No burn-in
Sub 1000 EUR

So I'm years and years off the goal.

GunShothas to share a stapler now... whata-whata... that's right, Google's employees now have to SHARE a freaking stapler

Oh the horrorrrrr

GunShotGOOGLE... e.g. has reduced its cost by enforcing office staff to "share a desk"

That was pretty common even before the current environment, office space is expensive.

GunShothuge massive layoff that's in the 1Ks and sadly, there's more to come very SOON

Google employed ~190k at the end of 2022, 1k is probably not that far from the regular turnover rate. Also they went through a crazy hiring spree early in the pandemic (they were just ~120k at the end of 2019 before shit hit the fan)

john_Yeah, I was having the same "problem" with my RX 580 having only 2.0b, so I only get 60Hz 4:4:4 HDR at 4K. Fun stuff, the integrated Vega 7 in the Ryzen 5 4600G offers also the option for 120Hz 4:2:0 SDR on top of that 60Hz 4:4:4 HDR. And it is funny because my motherboard says "HDMI 1.4" in the manual. Probably the cable and the GPU is what defines the version of HDMI port on motherboards and not the port itself. Or maybe the manual is wrong.

An adapter could do the trick, IF there is any available, but it will probably be expensive, meaning not $10-$20 but much more. And even in the case it is cheap, would that adapter support all the features, like VRR? Personally, I will probably just keep that money for my next upgrade to a new GPU offering also HDMI 2.1 support.

Yeah, same here. I can do 4k/120hz @ 4-2-0 but not at 4-4-4 HDR....which is kind of a bummer when I invested $1200+ in the display....but alas, both the RTX 30 and 40-series have HDMI 2.1, and so far I haven't come across any DP1.4 to HDMI2.1 adapters- there may be some by now, I honestly don't know, I kind of gave up on it last year when there weren't any and just figured it would be something to motivate me when my aging 2080SUPER finally gets replaced. I'm TEMPTED by the benchmarks of the 40-series, but the cost is still just SO high, and it's hard to justify when the games (even the triple-A titles) for PC get released in such abysmal and really just totally unacceptable condition! At some point I feel like the hardware manufacturers are going to have to start leaning on the game developers to release their PC versions in a condition that's ANYTHING better than frankly abhorrent! It's GOTTA be affecting their sales, right? I mean who wants to spend that kind of money and still not have anything to actually USE it for?? I mean, you can go and drop $500 on a PS5 or Xbox, pair it with an OLED and at least get PLAYABLE performance- and without all the headaches that accompany trying to get either the higher frame rates or the "enhanced" graphics (meaning ray-tracing, DLSS, etc) that are SUPPOSED to be possible with the "latest and greatest".....at what point do folks stop buying with these inflated hardware prices (primarily on the GPU side of things) not because the hardware is bad, but because the coding of the games they want to play is so terrible that you spend more time trying to get the titles to run right then you spend actually playing them?? Idk, it's just becoming an increasingly difficult sell for me when I consider what I'm really GETTING for that hard earned money....and many times it's nothing to do with the hardware (Nvidia, stop shipping busted drivers!) being shitty, it's the game developers not putting any effort into coding and optimization for the PC version releases....

That said, I see a 40-series in my future....albeit semi-distant future....maybe the coming fall or winter, Idk....unfortunately.

BwazeThis recovery will mostly be driven by three factors:

Three times wishful thinking!

I'm using Dell Professional P2715Q 27" 60 Hz 4K IPS monitor for 8 years now, and if it doesn't die suddenly, I don't think I'll change it in the near future. Because I'm only intetested in:

32"
OLED
Variable refresh rate
120 Hz+
Not worse subpixel matrix than LCD
No burn-in
Sub 1000 EUR

So I'm years and years off the goal.

All I can really say about this is that I don't think you'll see any real effect from burn-in....this being a LG OLED owner, they have software built into the display that shifts the pixels every so often and this being my primary display I haven't seen any effects from still images/etc at the 2 year mark....and this display stays on pretty much 24/7....