faster than I thought.... nice though. Good to see prices move in the right direction for once.

269-249 = 20. Its a $20 drop from MSRP not $30

Weird that the greedy Nvidia constantly forces AMD to lower prices huh :roll:

"Our real-world testing puts the RX 7600 about 15% faster than the RTX 3060 (12 GB) at 1080p, which means there could be an interesting square-off between the RTX 4060 and RX 7600. NVIDIA has announced $299 as the baseline price for the RTX 4060, which should put pressure on AMD partners to trim prices of the RX 7600 to below the $250-mark."

It will be like booing at the special Olympics for these two cards, and it should have never happened. :roll:

nguyenWeird that the greedy Nvidia constantly forces AMD to lower prices huh :roll:

Because Nvidia prices are consumer friendly, right?

john_Because Nvidia prices are consumer friendly, right?

In this case Nvidia does, rx7600 was originally priced at 300usd until AMD changed to 270usd last minute

Weird how the closer they get to Intel's GPU's, the more competitive they behave. "They" meaning AMD and Nvidia.

Most AMD product see this fast $ reduction next to lunch. I don't think it's a coincidence, probably AMD's way of laverging day one adopters excitement.

nguyenWeird that the greedy Nvidia constantly forces AMD to lower prices huh :roll:

I mean... that's what competition is for right? Now if only Nvidia would be a bit more consumer and a bit less investor friendly we might have a solid playing field

$50 for access to the RTX ecosystem? You don't even need to ask. I'm paying the difference

Ok, wake me up when this card is $200 or below, with a 16GB version going for $250 or less.
Trying to put 1080p cards in the $300 range was just stupid and it only cost AMD and Nvidia a downturn in public perception.

Dr. Dro$50 for access to the RTX ecosystem? You don't even need to ask. I'm paying the difference

Ecossystem of what? You're going to enable rayttacing on a 8GB card that can't even run max settings at 1080p in 2023 games? Stable diffusion on 8GB? DLSS3 on a 30FPS baseline for super high latencies?

Dr. Dro$50 for access to the RTX ecosystem? You don't even need to ask. I'm paying the difference

It's not an ecosystem, just a badge on your card's box. Ray tracing is ray tracing whether you run it on Nvidia or AMD.

nguyenWeird that the greedy Nvidia constantly forces AMD to lower prices huh :roll:

The fact that the 6650 XT is way cheaper has got nothing to do with it. It must have been Nvidia, of course! :rolleyes:

Cool, now we must lower at least 80euro and then this card for me will be true 1080p succesor.

Should be on a 3.5x sliding scale with 7900xtx, so sounds about right.

Also, you can pretty-much tell this was always meant to be a $229->$200 card after the reliably-repeatable slight waiting period after release, which is good because I think that's more in-line with what people expect. Problem is, ofc, the faster it becomes those prices the faster it causes their higher-end cards to depreciate, including N32 which hasn't even released yet.

The way I see it, graphics cards are equalizing/will equalize to the (expected then real) price/perf of the PS5pro. If it's $400 and 2x faster, that means a 7600 is worth $200 (or less). That means whatever Navi 32 card matches/beat it in perf will have to match it in price. Mark my words, people will reject anything more than that, as some are already in a holding pattern because of it, and it does mean that days of outlandish prices on current cards are numbered.

The question simply becomes how quickly they can and/or will adapt. They can try to stick out high margins until that reality is forced upon them, but over time more people will increasingly wait for that next PS/gpu generation which should (generally) be better value (and have more v-ram per market), which in-turn loses them a potential current sale. It's pretty much simple as that, imho.

AusWolfIt's not an ecosystem, just a badge on your card's box. Ray tracing is ray tracing whether you run it on Nvidia or AMD.

By that I don't mean ray tracing, but all of the Nvidia-exclusive features that they've developed over the years. Successfully, that is.

Since most of AMD's open source equivalents either flopped (weren't adopted) or suck (FSR)

ToTTenTranzEcossystem of what? You're going to enable rayttacing on a 8GB card that can't even run max settings at 1080p in 2023 games? Stable diffusion on 8GB? DLSS3 on a 30FPS baseline for super high latencies?

I have a laptop with a 3050M, 4 GB. With DLSS on balanced and targeting 1080p, and average settings even raytracing on games like Metro Exodus Enhanced are viable. If I had 8 GB VRAM on those I'd call it an actually smooth experience because it'd likely never dip from 30 fps.

For this segment? More than fine. And I wasn't referring to RT.

Dr. DroBy that I don't mean ray tracing, but all of the Nvidia-exclusive features that they've developed over the years. Successfully, that is.

Since most of AMD's open source equivalents either flopped (weren't adopted) or suck (FSR)

FSR doesn't suck. In my opinion, it's pretty equal to DLSS in its current state. DLSS 1 also sucked, by the way, so there's that. The only other Nvidia-exclusive feature is DLSS 3 FG, which you won't enjoy on a mid-range card due to the latency, and is pretty much pointless on a high-end one due to the already high framerates. It only exists for Nvidia to win on review charts.

If you think it's worth the extra money, by all means, buy into the "ecosystem" (whatever that word means here), but I really think it isn't.

ZoneDymoI mean... that's what competition is for right? Now if only Nvidia would be a bit more consumer and a bit less investor friendly we might have a solid playing field

That will only happen if people stop buying Nvidia, but they wont.

AMD turned their reputation destruction speedrun into a whole marathon.

Call when it's 150€.

Progress. Another ~$25 reduction until this becomes a compelling low-end choice over the previous generation cards.

Dr. DroBy that I don't mean ray tracing, but all of the Nvidia-exclusive features that they've developed over the years. Successfully, that is.

Since most of AMD's open source equivalents either flopped (weren't adopted) or suck (FSR)

I tend to agree, the RTX ecosystem is absolutely worth a small premium to myself and many others, however prices across the entire lineup, of both vendors is still too high. Of course people who can only use FSR think it's great and not much behind DLSS, makes sense, and there are legitimately the odd few that prefer the super sharpened look and seem to not be bothered by disocclusion artefacts and shimmer. Of the subset of users who can use all 3, it's a landslide choice for DLSS but clearly you can't win over 100% of people - and user preference is key. They should also try XeSS where available and treat themselves to the middle ground. Using an RTX A2000 in another rig (right on desktop 3050 perf), I can also use RT in every RT game I own and have a great time at 1080p.

Naturally, there are people to whom neither DLSS nor RT (or anything else from the Nvidia ecosystem) matters whatsoever, whether they've tried them or not, and for them Radeon appears to be the obvious choice.

Hopefully, this product creeps slowly toward $200 USD, maybe less, and the 4060 hopefully gathers dust on shelves at the insultingly high $299 and rapidly decreases in price too, but I'd wager there will always be a price delta between them, for reasons I just covered.

Dr. DroI have a laptop with a 3050M, 4 GB. With DLSS on balanced and targeting 1080p, and average settings even raytracing on games like Metro Exodus Enhanced are viable. If I had 8 GB VRAM on those I'd call it an actually smooth experience because it'd likely never dip from 30 fps.

Upscaled 1080p at 30 fps is not exactly an amazing gaming experience.

Vya DomusUpscaled 1080p at 30 fps is not exactly an amazing gaming experience.

Neither is anything that a Steam Deck or even the ROG Ally could do, if you go by the books ;)

You must look at the device for what it is, and that it manages to do that within its constraints? I'd call that surprising in its own right. It's a taste of high-end power onto the most affordable previous generation laptop GPU. What else can I ask?

Dr. DroNeither is anything that a Steam Deck or even the ROG Ally could do, if you go by the books ;)

Actually you can play some games with ray tracing on those too at really low resolutions which are more tolerable on a handled I suppose but the point is performance is so poor this isn't much of a selling point.

Vya DomusActually you can play some games with ray tracing on those too at really low resolutions which are more tolerable on a handled I suppose but the point is performance is so poor this isn't much of a selling point.

On my 3050M's case, it's not even that the hardware's performance is too inadequate, targeting 1080p with DLSS and medium settings, you're going to have a decent time... or would; if the 4 GB VRAM didn't get in the way. Nvidia is devious like that, even their low-end hardware is designed to be like a gateway drug to get people to buy their higher-end stuff.