Wednesday, October 11th 2023

Report: Global PC Shipments Decline Again in the Third Quarter of 2023 Amid Signs of Market Improvement

The downward spiral for PC shipments continued during the third quarter of 2023 (3Q23) as global volumes declined 7.6% year over year with 68.2 million PCs shipped, according to preliminary results from the International Data Corporation (IDC) Worldwide Quarterly Personal Computing Device Tracker. Though demand and the global economy remain subdued, PC shipments have increased in each of the last two quarters, slowing the rate of annual decline and indicating that the market has moved past the bottom of the trough.

PC inventory has also become leaner in the past few months and is near healthy levels in most channels. However, downward pressure on pricing persists and will likely remain an issue within the consumer and business sectors. While most of the top 5 vendors experienced double-digit declines during the quarter, Apple's outsized decline was the result of unfavorable year-over-year comparisons as the company recovered from a COVID-related halt in production during 3Q22. Meanwhile, HP's growth was largely due to the normalizing of inventory.
"The PC industry is on a slow path to recovery as a device refresh cycle and end of support for Windows 10 will help drive sales in the second half of 2024 and beyond. In the meantime, the PC industry will unfortunately experience more pain," said Jitesh Ubrani, research manager for IDC's Mobility and Consumer Device Trackers. "The slowness in the industry is giving the supply chain an opportunity to explore procurement and production options outside China and this will likely remain a key issue going forward, second only to the advancement of AI within PCs."

"Generative AI could be a watershed moment for the PC industry," said Linn Huang, research vice president, Devices & Displays at IDC. "While use cases have yet to be fully articulated, interest in the category is already strong. AI PCs promise organizations the ability to personalize the user experience at a deeper level all while being able to preserve data privacy and sovereignty. As more of these devices launch next year, we expect a significant boost to overall selling prices."
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21 Comments on Report: Global PC Shipments Decline Again in the Third Quarter of 2023 Amid Signs of Market Improvement

#1
john_
Apple is losing the most it seems.
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#2
Garrus
john_Apple is losing the most it seems.
that's because they don't care, their products suck

the sales decline wouldn't have happened if they gave people enough ram and storage, and they know that, they don't care, when you can have 95 percent profit margins on memory sales
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#3
Imouto
These guys and JPR always have a positive outlook and no matter how fucked up the market is.
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#4
kapone32
Is it just me or have Gaming laptops become too expensive? The best laptop you can buy is over $5500 and the price for "top class" laptops start at $4000 and that is 8.5 times the cost of a PS5. I do believe that if AMD make enough APUs they could do something in the budget sector.
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Space Lynx
Astronaut
john_Apple is losing the most it seems.
there is no chart that shows Souls Acquired, but I assure you they are winning :roll:
kapone32Is it just me or have Gaming laptops become too expensive? The best laptop you can buy is over $5500 and the price for "top class" laptops start at $4000 and that is 8.5 times the cost of a PS5. I do believe that if AMD make enough APUs they could do something in the budget sector.
I would say they have gotten cheaper, I mean you can get an rtx 4060 laptop for $899, and it obliterates my gtx 1070 in performance, not even mentioning dlss frame gen yet, and cheapest 1070 laptop was $1299 back in the day during its first launch year. I think I paid 1100 or so for my 1070 laptop.
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#6
Denver
Just like in the stock market, after an unexpected abnormal rise, a subsequent fall is expected.

A positive thought: Perhaps this bad moment in the market is a chance for companies to improve services/products in order to retain customers in an adverse scenario. :p
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#7
kondamin
DenverJust like in the stock market, after an unexpected abnormal rise, a subsequent fall is expected.

A positive thought: Perhaps this bad moment in the market is a chance for companies to improve services/products in order to retain customers in an adverse scenario. :p
Nah, they'll simply cut dividends and ask for more subsidies and tax breaks from governments
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#8
mb194dc
ImoutoThese guys and JPR always have a positive outlook and no matter how fucked up the market is.
It's funny because it's true.

They'll be right, eventually, could take till 2025.
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#9
kapone32
Space Lynxthere is no chart that shows Souls Acquired, but I assure you they are winning :roll:



I would say they have gotten cheaper, I mean you can get an rtx 4060 laptop for $899, and it obliterates my gtx 1070 in performance, not even mentioning dlss frame gen yet, and cheapest 1070 laptop was $1299 back in the day during its first launch year. I think I paid 1100 or so for my 1070 laptop.
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I hear you but the fact still remains that the top end of the market is ridiculously overpriced.
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#10
sLowEnd
Garrusthat's because they don't care, their products suck

the sales decline wouldn't have happened if they gave people enough ram and storage, and they know that, they don't care, when you can have 95 percent profit margins on memory sales
They probably really don’t care. Apple’s efforts seem mostly mobile-focused these days. How long did they let the trashcan Mac Pro languish before giving it a refresh? 2013 to 2019(!) if I recall correctly.
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#11
freeagent
To be fair, not everyone can afford, or wants to afford new hardware these days. The shareholders took all the fun out of it.
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#12
Minus Infinity
john_Apple is losing the most it seems.
The M2 based Macbooks are an embarrassing so-called upgrade. Even the iTards saw through their BS and baulked at the higher prices for no real world benefit over the M1 laptops
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#13
thesmokingman
john_Apple is losing the most it seems.
They haven't grown in like a year and profits keep shrinking. As they say the smart phone market is saturated. I suppose they could go back to trying to build that car?

The nutty thing is that were it not for a half a trillion dollars of buybacks in the last ten years... things would look more obvious? yeesh...
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#14
Bwaze
ImoutoThese guys and JPR always have a positive outlook and no matter how fucked up the market is.
Yeah, from the end of lockdowns when market started cooling we have been reading that it's the next quarter that will turn the trend. And that's now quite a lot of quarters ago...

Some companies don't mind. Nvidia, for example. They have found the next cryptomining in the form of AI, and have convinced everyone they need to jump on the bandwagon. Even if the results produced now aren't really usable in many fields - they are selling a promise this will change shortly. And if it won't, we'll see a spectacular market correction.
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#15
Pumper
Space LynxI would say they have gotten cheaper, I mean you can get an rtx 4060 laptop for $899, and it obliterates my gtx 1070 in performance, not even mentioning dlss frame gen yet, and cheapest 1070 laptop was $1299 back in the day during its first launch year. I think I paid 1100 or so for my 1070 laptop.
Saying that today's "gaming" laptops are getting cheaper because the one with the lowest end dedicated GPU is now cheaper than the one with higher mid range dedicated GPU used to cost back in the day makes 0 sense.
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#16
R0H1T
Garrusthat's because they don't care, their products suck

the sales decline wouldn't have happened if they gave people enough ram and storage, and they know that, they don't care, when you can have 95 percent profit margins on memory sales
That's because they probably make 10x more on non "PC" sales, including services
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#17
Garrus
R0H1TThat's because they make probably 10x more on "PC" sales, including services
Well I don't know what to hope for anymore regarding Apple. If they can't make profit selling a $1000 16GB/512GB device, there is seriously something wrong there.
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#18
TheinsanegamerN
PumperSaying that today's "gaming" laptops are getting cheaper because the one with the lowest end dedicated GPU is now cheaper than the one with higher mid range dedicated GPU used to cost back in the day makes 0 sense.
Inflation is a thing.
mb194dcIt's funny because it's true.

They'll be right, eventually, could take till 2025.
I must admit, it's become rather amusing to watch the explanation of how sustained decline in sales means the positive is just around the corner.
sLowEndThey probably really don’t care. Apple’s efforts seem mostly mobile-focused these days. How long did they let the trashcan Mac Pro languish before giving it a refresh? 2013 to 2019(!) if I recall correctly.
I think a lot of people forget that the M3 is supposedly around the corner, and consumers who want a new mac are likely biding time until it releases, either to get the new M3 or get a deal on the previous gen M2.
thesmokingmanThey haven't grown in like a year and profits keep shrinking. As they say the smart phone market is saturated. I suppose they could go back to trying to build that car?

The nutty thing is that were it not for a half a trillion dollars of buybacks in the last ten years... things would look more obvious? yeesh...
If they really wanted to drive up consumer spending, all they have to do is support vulkan on their iGPUs. Or finally put android sized batteries in the iphones.
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#19
john_
Garrusthe sales decline wouldn't have happened if they gave people enough ram and storage, and they know that, they don't care, when you can have 95 percent profit margins on memory sales
Also a reason, but wasn't this always true for Apple?
Minus InfinityThe M2 based Macbooks are an embarrassing so-called upgrade. Even the iTards saw through their BS and baulked at the higher prices for no real world benefit over the M1 laptops
This is probably the reason. Also no matter how good their integrated GPU is, I bet many working on MACs would love to have access to an RTX 4090 or something like that.
thesmokingmanAs they say the smart phone market is saturated.
This is about personal computers. I guess the transition to their own SOCs is losing steam.
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#20
Vayra86
BwazeYeah, from the end of lockdowns when market started cooling we have been reading that it's the next quarter that will turn the trend. And that's now quite a lot of quarters ago...

Some companies don't mind. Nvidia, for example. They have found the next cryptomining in the form of AI, and have convinced everyone they need to jump on the bandwagon. Even if the results produced now aren't really usable in many fields - they are selling a promise this will change shortly. And if it won't, we'll see a spectacular market correction.
Yep... the next bubble. Tech companies with far too much money are desperate for the next big thing and AI 'is it'. We'll see. It has its uses. But also its limitations and public reception for widespread potential uses is going to be a thing as well.
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#21
Garrus
Vayra86Yep... the next bubble. Tech companies with far too much money are desperate for the next big thing and AI 'is it'. We'll see. It has its uses. But also its limitations and public reception for widespread potential uses is going to be a thing as well.
a big problem is we don't have AI, just statistics on large data sets

the AI accelerator companies keep on marketing is just a matrix math accelerator, nothing special at all
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