Monday, June 16th 2025

Intel "Nova Lake-S" Series: Seven SKUs, Up to 52 Cores and 150 W TDP

Rumors of Intel's "Nova Lake-S" processors are increasing, meaning that the design is nearing completion. Expected to arrive in the second half of 2026, Nova Lake-S will offer configurations ranging from mainstream quad-core models to a flagship with 52 cores. Initial information suggests that Intel will employ a tile-based design, separating LPE cores from P-Cores and E-Cores to optimize flexibility and yield. At the top of the lineup is the rumored Core Ultra 9 model, possibly designated 385K. It will combine 16 P-cores, 32 E-cores, and four LPE-cores for a total of 52 cores, as previously rumored. With a TDP of 150 W, it will be the most powerful SKU Intel prepared for this generation. Below the flagship, Intel appears to be planning a Core Ultra 7 SKU with 14 P-cores, 24 E-cores, and four LPE cores, totaling 42 cores.

The Core Ultra 5 series may include three variants: a 28-core version with eight P-cores, 16 E-cores, and four LPE-cores; a 24-core version with eight P-cores, 12 E-cores, and four LPE-cores; and an 18-core model with six P-cores, eight E-cores, and four LPE-cores. Entry-level Core Ultra 3 parts would feature either a 16-core configuration with four P-cores, eight E-cores, and four LPE-cores, or a 12-core option with four P-cores, four E-cores, and four LPE-cores, both targeting a 65 W power envelope. All desktop SKUs are expected to feature four LPE cores on a separate die, suggesting a multi-tile package similar to Meteor Lake. Power demands will range from 65 W in entry-level segments to 150 W for high-end parts. Intel is reportedly preparing a new LGA 1954 socket even as it readies an Arrow Lake-S refresh for late 2025. Intel has also reportedly designated Xe3 "Celestial" for graphics rendering and Xe4 "Druid" for media and display duties.
Intel Nova Lake-S
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104 Comments on Intel "Nova Lake-S" Series: Seven SKUs, Up to 52 Cores and 150 W TDP

#27
LastDudeALive
ThomasKThose are your claims only. I'd much rather wait for actual reviews, than put my bets on some random guy's comments.
Oh absolutely. I'm just saying that based on what we saw with the first Core Ultra CPUs, lots of e cores absolutely performs better in multi-thread workloads than fewer fast HT P cores, so much so that Intel can match Zen 5 with fewer threads, just based on the efficient design of the e cores.
ThomasKLastly, please do blindly trust Intel's judgment of how many cores the average user needs, but don't forget it is the same company that gave you nothing but 4-cores on 7 generations of products.
Soooo... do you want consumers to have a choice on core count or not? I'm confused, because you're mad Intel has lots of cores on their premium i9 product, but you're also mad Intel didnt' have lots of cores on their premium products.
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#28
Fouquin
dgianstefaniThe 32 e cores will take space of eight P
Wait did I miss something? Skymont currently stacks about 3:1 E to P core ratio, with a full slice of 8 E-Cores consuming 1.34x more die space than 2 P-Cores. Has it been leaked/announced somewhere that the Arctic Wolf E-Core layout will be significantly smaller?
dgianstefanithe M4 Max you're comparing to is a significantly more expensive platform than the upcoming Intel Nova Lake
Presumptuous, but may prove to be right. M4 Max Mac Studio can be had for about $1800 right now with current sales. Apple usually gets even more aggressive on refurb prices. Meanwhile I priced up an Ultra 9 285K+Z890+DDR5-8400 config for about $1000-$1100 without SSDs, video card, case, power supply, or OS.
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#29
phints
Intel has gone insane with core counts. Can't imagine what these would be used for as very few tasks scale CPUs cores up like this. I feel like 8P + 8E + 4LPE is the sweet spot for any high end PC outside datacenter stuff. Oh well, here is to hoping they are more competitive to AMD next time. They reigned in their power consumption at least.
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#30
lexluthermiester
phintsCan't imagine what these would be used for as very few tasks scale CPUs cores up like this.
Not been paying attention to software development in the last 8 years, eh?
phintsI feel like 8P + 8E + 4LPE is the sweet spot for any high end PC outside datacenter stuff.
Interesting suggestion. Totally unrealistic though.
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#31
dgianstefani
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FouquinWait did I miss something? Skymont currently stacks about 3:1 E to P core ratio, with a full slice of 8 E-Cores consuming 1.34x more die space than 2 P-Cores. Has it been leaked/announced somewhere that the Arctic Wolf E-Core layout will be significantly smaller?
The 12/13/14th gen e cores were a little smaller relatively, the next gen ones little bigger relatively, especially if you compare a full eight, but they are divided into stacks of four, interposed with P cores, instead of the old raptor Lake design of all the p then all the e. Regardless, 1:4 or 1:3.5, and whatever the ratio is for nova lake, the point I'm making is unchanged and it's napkin math. No need to get pedantic over exact 2:7 or 2:8 ratios, unless that data changes the underlying point, which it doesn't. It's better to have 8/16 P Cores and 16/32 E cores than 3-4/7-8 extra P cores but no E cores. This has been discussed to death, and the general consensus is anything that scales to nT does better with e cores, and the ST/latency sensitive stuff doesn't (at least on consumer platforms) really scale past eight. Even AMD realises this, after ARM and then Intel, with their Zen C cores.
FouquinPresumptuous, but may prove to be right. M4 Max Mac Studio can be had for about $1800 right now with current sales. Apple usually gets even more aggressive on refurb prices. Meanwhile I priced up an Ultra 9 285K+Z890+DDR5-8400 config for about $1000-$1100 without SSDs, video card, case, power supply, or OS.
All discussion on unreleased products is, by definition, presumptuous. We're operating under the presumption that the leaks are accurate and discussing them in the relevant thread. Unless you're implying that Intel's top consumer CPUs will go from $5-700 for decades, to significantly different pricing, which would be suicide in face of competition. You're also comparing against the base RAM M4 Max, which makes little sense to buy considering the types of task these chips excel at. Apple math means comparable RAM amounts add up to a lot more than "$1800" to get the 96/128 GB you would pair a workstation based on x86 consumer silicon with. Unless that $1800 was also napkin math, because a quick check reveals "starting at $1999."



Just checked. 36 GB unified (VRAM + RAM) for $2k, $4k for 96 GB.
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#32
bonehead123
"Got any moar of dem Cores ?"

If so, I'll take 3,726,589.241 please, like, yesterday, hahahaha... :eek:..:roll:..:respect:
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#33
ThomasK
LastDudeALivebecause you're mad Intel has lots of cores on their premium i9 product, but you're also mad Intel didnt' have lots of cores on their premium products.
First you claim to know what Intel's e-core bumped CPU's performance is going to be. Now you also claim I'm mad?

Are you basing those claims on what? Your crystal ball or the voices in your head? Come back when you have some facts to back you up.

Until then, customers indeed have a choice on core count, thanks to competition, not a stagnant architecture, or having to throw your motherboard in the trash every 1 or 2 generations.
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#34
tfp
ThomasKFirst you claim to know what Intel's e-core bumped CPU's performance are going to be. Now you also claim I'm mad?

Are you basing those claims on what? Your crystal ball or the voices in your head? Come back when you have some facts to back you up.

Until then, customers indeed have a choice on core count, thanks to competition, not a stagnant architecture, or having to throw your motherboard in the trash every 1 or 2 generations.
While annoying for people that build their own PCs, how many normal people are impacted by this? Even when sockets have lived awhile CPU support isn't always great long term for early socket adopters because of changes in power requirements or other technical changes.
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#35
Unregistered
DavenSo many big releases in 2026 on brand new fab nodes:

Nova Lake - up to 52 cores on 18A
Zen 6 - up to 48 or 64 threads on N2
UDNA - merging all GPU IP into one on N2
Rubin - more performance over blackwell on N2
Someone knows when & if the stupid Lake naming will end?
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#36
dgianstefani
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PizderkoSomeone knows when & if the stupid Lake naming will end?
Who cares? Lake is just code name, like bergamo or Picasso or Rubin etc. RTX 3/4/5 is common name, just like 13/14 etc for Intel, Zen 3/5 AMD etc.
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#37
Fouquin
dgianstefaniNo need to get pedantic over exact 2:7 or 2:8 ratios, unless that data changes the underlying point, which it doesn't.
No need to become so defensive when asked for clarification on where your numbers stem from.
dgianstefaniSo for same die area they could have made 24+0+4, or gone with 16+32+4 P/E/LPE.
Emphasis mine. A third more die area is not the same.

If you made them up or did 'napkin math' that's fine, just don't present them as facts to build upon. It is consequential to have the correct information, I have a CPU Database to maintain and knowing what parts got bigger or smaller will lend to that cause, hence why I asked where you got your numbers. Pulling numbers out of our bumholes to throw around in arguments isn't what I'm here for, I'm here for facts not conjecture.
dgianstefaniUnless that $1800 was also napkin math
Not napkin math.

Here's a refurb for even cheaper.
dgianstefaniUnless you're implying that Intel's top consumer CPUs will go from $5-700 for decades, to significantly different pricing, which would be suicide in face of competition
Well aside from the times within the last 20 years in which Intel has, in fact, raised prices(P4 670, Q6600, i7 970, 12900KS): Intel can do whatever it wants with pricing. AMD is likely to increase prices with wafer costs going up, Intel probably will too. I remember when they used to trade places at the $1000 price point every other release. It is what it is.
dgianstefaniYou're also comparing against the base RAM M4 Max, which makes little sense to buy considering the types of task these chips excel at. Apple math means comparable RAM amounts add up to a lot more than "$1800" to get the 96/128 GB you would pair a workstation based on x86 consumer silicon with.
I am using the base configuration, 10p+4e, 36GB/512GB Studio as a comparison, correct. It's a full PC ready to use right out of the box for a similar price. You're putting up goal posts for what it "should be" while ignoring what it is. The base spec Studio is perfectly adequate mid-upper tier consumer computer for a lot of light workstation use, just like the average Ultra 9 285K PC. Your statement, I'll remind you, was that the M4 Max was a significantly more expensive platform full stop. If you want to pay more you absolutely can, but you do not have to.

I'll be unfollowing this thread now because this spiraled far out of control. I simply wanted one clarification and to point out that items A and B could be had for the same cost, but somehow that had to become a full blown argument. Why does every interaction with you have to become such a battle? So exhausting.
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#38
lexluthermiester
phintsIntel has gone insane with core counts. Can't imagine what these would be used for as very few tasks scale CPUs cores up like this. I feel like 8P + 8E + 4LPE is the sweet spot for any high end PC outside datacenter stuff. Oh well, here is to hoping they are more competitive to AMD next time. They reigned in their power consumption at least.
I think we're all glad Intel, AMD and everyone else who makes a CPU, doesn't think like you suggest.
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#39
ZoneDymo
tbh, im only interested in this to see how AMD will react.
AMD steppig up from the 16 core part for consumer after 4 generations would not be a bad thing.

Consumer grade 32 core would be pretty sweet and imagine if having full X3D cache as well.
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#40
lexluthermiester
ZoneDymoAMD steppig up from the 16 core part for consumer after 4 generations would not be a bad thing.
Agreed. 24 cores would be a good thing.
ZoneDymoConsumer grade 32 core would be pretty sweet.
As would this.
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#41
Contra
EssaudioWhat’s the source of the rumors ?
The same source that came up with the 8p+32e Arrow Lake story. The fact is that it didn't happen and couldn't happen because of the 12-stop ring bus, and as a result, it also has a devastating latency, so what's up with the previous generation. So everyone who falls for this 16p+32e FOMO is just like that :kookoo:
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#42
Hecate91
ZoneDymotbh, im only interested in this to see how AMD will react.
AMD steppig up from the 16 core part for consumer after 4 generations would not be a bad thing.

Consumer grade 32 core would be pretty sweet and imagine if having full X3D cache as well.
The rumor is Zen 6 or Zen 7 will have a hybrid core approach, with full power cores, "C" cores and efficiency cores.
tfpEven when sockets have lived awhile CPU support isn't always great long term for early socket adopters because of changes in power requirements or other technical changes.
That still isn't a good reason why, I'm sure Intel could design a long lasting socket if they wanted to, but of course it's more profitable for them and their board partners to change the socket with every new generation.
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#43
dgianstefani
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FouquinNo need to become so defensive when asked for clarification on where your numbers stem from.



Emphasis mine. A third more die area is not the same.

If you made them up or did 'napkin math' that's fine, just don't present them as facts to build upon. It is consequential to have the correct information, I have a CPU Database to maintain and knowing what parts got bigger or smaller will lend to that cause, hence why I asked where you got your numbers. Pulling numbers out of our bumholes to throw around in arguments isn't what I'm here for, I'm here for facts not conjecture.



Not napkin math.

Here's a refurb for even cheaper.



Well aside from the times within the last 20 years in which Intel has, in fact, raised prices(P4 670, Q6600, i7 970, 12900KS): Intel can do whatever it wants with pricing. AMD is likely to increase prices with wafer costs going up, Intel probably will too. I remember when they used to trade places at the $1000 price point every other release. It is what it is.



I am using the base configuration, 10p+4e, 36GB/512GB Studio as a comparison, correct. It's a full PC ready to use right out of the box for a similar price. You're putting up goal posts for what it "should be" while ignoring what it is. The base spec Studio is perfectly adequate mid-upper tier consumer computer for a lot of light workstation use, just like the average Ultra 9 285K PC. Your statement, I'll remind you, was that the M4 Max was a significantly more expensive platform full stop. If you want to pay more you absolutely can, but you do not have to.

I'll be unfollowing this thread now because this spiraled far out of control. I simply wanted one clarification and to point out that items A and B could be had for the same cost, but somehow that had to become a full blown argument. Why does every interaction with you have to become such a battle? So exhausting.
I'll treat the passive aggressiveness with humor.

Reseller deals close to the end of a product life cycle, used units instead of straight from Apple. Comparing specific extreme edition limited SKUs, stretching it with edge cases, as usual, to pick fault with me, in particular. You know I mentioned Raptor Lake P/E cores as the 1:4, something even Intel did in their PRs, but you are continuing to pretend the 30% larger die area of a specific generation is the only relevant factual info when there's been several generations of heterogeneous architecture. Talking about 50+ core CPUs in the thread about them, as if buyers would pair them with 32 GB of RAM, then changing goalposts to current 285K. Whatever dude.

I won't continue as it's unprofessional for staff to seem to be in conflict, and you've apparently unfollowed the thread, not that I consider this even slightly stressful or "exhausting".

Have a great day.
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#45
dgianstefani
TPU Proofreader
Hecate91The rumor is Zen 6 or Zen 7 will have a hybrid core approach, with full power cores, "C" cores and efficiency cores.

That still isn't a good reason why, I'm sure Intel could design a long lasting socket if they wanted to, but of course it's more profitable for them and their board partners to change the socket with every new generation.
There were three generations of CPU supporting two generations of DDR, plus more recent rebrands on LGA-1700. During this time core counts jumped massively and ST perf went up around 30%.

Zen 5 already has hybrid SKUs with normal and C CCDs.
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#46
Hecate91
dgianstefaniThere were three generations of CPU supporting two generations of DDR, plus more recent rebrands on LGA-1700. During this time core counts jumped massively and ST perf went up around 30%.
All 3 were still Alder Lake based, and only E core counts increased. Single thread went up due to core clocks being pushed up which we know how that went for 13th and 14th gen, lol.
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#47
Visible Noise
Hecate91All 3 were still Alder Lake based, and only E core counts increased. Single thread went up due to core clocks being pushed up which we know how that went for 13th and 14th gen, lol.
What cpu are you using?
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#48
dgianstefani
TPU Proofreader
Hecate91All 3 were still Alder Lake based, and only E core counts increased. Single thread went up due to core clocks being pushed up which we know how that went for 13th and 14th gen, lol.
Single core went up due to *Raptor Lake (not Alder Lake) having notably increased per core cache, a better memory controller, a refined process allowing better V/F curve leading to higher clocks, and entirely new dies with many hardware level tweaks being introduced. The same way Zen 3 is "based" on Zen 2 if we want to play the game of pretend.
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#49
tfp
Hecate91The rumor is Zen 6 or Zen 7 will have a hybrid core approach, with full power cores, "C" cores and efficiency cores.

That still isn't a good reason why, I'm sure Intel could design a long lasting socket if they wanted to, but of course it's more profitable for them and their board partners to change the socket with every new generation.
I guess, depends how well old BIOS are maintained and all that. It is nice that AMD has keep sockets longer and it really helped when AMD was behind or far behind on performance.

If there is so little improvement going forward as we have seen from both companies like in the last few years there are other tech changes i will care about that will require a new MB when I get a new CPU.
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#50
dgianstefani
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tfpI guess, depends how well old BIOS are maintained and all that. It is nice that AMD has keep sockets longer and it really helped when AMD was behind or far behind on performance.

If there is so little improvement going forward as we have seen from both companies like in the last few years there are other tech changes i will care about that will require a new MB when I get a new CPU.
AMD had to be bullied to add promised support for new CPU gens to old AM4 motherboards in past, due to BS about can't fit the microcode in BIOS, ignoring the fact they magically managed to after community noticed. All of these companies do exactly the bare minimum they can get away with.
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