yeah, let's dig "mid-range" GPUs more so people will be forced to pay $1000+ for single GPU, f...kin perfect solution.:kookoo::rolleyes::oops:

I am starting to think that the defect rates of tsmc 5nm are really low and the yields really high.

By default RX 9070 XT this is over-overclocked garbage.
The Navi 48 chip is good, but a middle-class videocard should have a 200W TDP, not 300W.
This is confirmed by people who reduce the Power Consumption in Adrenalin for 30% and get a very slight reduction in performance :cool:

I have the 9070 xt and it's true, from 200W to 300W you gain very little performance, maybe 10%, they pushed this chip to compete with 5070 ti better.

Navi 48 yields must be very good to prioritize the 9070XT, and it probably sells better than the 9070.
I would've liked to see the 9070 get a price cut, though of course that won't happen with scam altman and the AI circlejerk destroying the entire tech industry.

Some low quality german website wrote they end radeon 9070 earlier.

the same low quality website posts regularly affiliate amazon.de links to earn money on storage, common mechanical tools etc.. I see a lot of fear mongering articles everything will get more expensive. Of course when you notify the masses over months there will be some affects in the german market.

Everything has its price. Hogwards legacy is a perfect example on why to sell a graphic card. Low quality trash game. Political game, repetition of anything, no fun, bad visuals and crashes with radeon 7800xt when changing some settings. Stwar Wars jedi survivor and Avatar are other bad trash games. Note: hogwards legacy was given away by epic. After a few days playing, I have not yet bought the broom, It is one of the games which they screwed up. I can not judge the grahpics as changing any settings crashes the game with windows 11 pro and the radeon 7800xt.

I do not see any justification to keep a graphic card for maybe a future purchase of KCD2.

Laziness paid off, I have all of my parts, DRAM dropped from 1000€ to 700€ and there are too many offers. Several shops show me stock to buy 2x32Gib DRAM. Note: DRAM fits this topic as the core topic is less graphic cards because of less DRAM in the market.

Hecate91I would've liked to see the 9070 get a price cut, though of course that won't happen with scam altman and the AI circlejerk destroying the entire tech industry.

Prices are going up according to geizhals.

asrock 9070XT is not 650€ worth without 25€ shipping, i did not bother buying it a few hours ago.

I wonder how much this coincides with their "AI Driver Bundle" push and whatever Redstone has instore throughout the year, i.e. neural rendering performance.

*put your best foot forward*

The Spin doctoring is real.

According to Newegg as of this posting:

The cheapest, brand new 9070 is going for $580.00
The cheapest brand new 9070XT is going for $720.00

Which is about 25% difference.

IMHO this is the reason why they are cranking up the XT's and will turn defective XT GPU's into Non XT's. This is a business decision to make additional profit as like any of these corporations they will pad an extra profit when there is a "Crisis" that inflates costs.

Make no mistake. There was a reason why I bought my 9070 Spaphire Pulse last month. Because I already know the absolute Bull$h!t Tech Corporations are doing right now.

Here's a video on why I bought my 9070. I already knew I can get massive wattage decreases with little performance loss.
I'll be tinkering with it soon but it's not on my important list.
Making money is.

I played Last of us part 1 and 2 and i have to say, the attention to detail, art work and story puts to shame current UE5 games, even clair obscure expedition 33 seems like a simple game compared to these uber expensive games to produce.
What we can learn from this is you don't need 9070 xt's and rtx 5070 ti's to have amazing graphics, great gameplay and amazing story.
Nvidia and AMD only care to sell, i saw some people trying PRAGMATA and say how good it runs with RT, few days later Nvidia pushes Path tracing for a game already looking good, just shows you they can't leave it alone, they need to justify 300W gpus and 1000$ prices.
Next you see Digital Foundry pixel peeping that game, frame by frame, zoomed 400%, how good is the reflections, shadows, how stupid gaming has become.

_roman_Prices are going up according to geizhals.

asrock 9070XT is not 650€ worth without 25€ shipping, i did not bother buying it a few hours ago.

IMO, a 9070XT around $750 is still worth it and is still much cheaper than a 5070Ti, average price on Newegg is up to around $1,200 USD with all of their closer to MSRP cards out of stock for some reason.

_roman_asrock 9070XT is not 650€ worth without 25€ shipping, i did not bother buying it a few hours ago.

LOL it absolutely is worth it. I bought this 7900XT for 890 EUR ;)

I think my comfort zone would be up to 700,- for that GPU today. I'd pay it no ifs or buts.

Wasn't price gap between non-XT and XT very tiny where in performance, XT was significantly faster? And while I overpaid RX 9070 XT on launch and it was from smaller local store which always has higher priced graphic cards, it was still significantly cheaper than RTX 5070Ti and I still absolutely love it.

LuminescentI played Last of us part 1 and 2 and i have to say, the attention to detail, art work and story puts to shame current UE5 games, even clair obscure expedition 33 seems like a simple game compared to these uber expensive games to produce.
What we can learn from this is you don't need 9070 xt's and rtx 5070 ti's to have amazing graphics, great gameplay and amazing story.
Nvidia and AMD only care to sell, i saw some people trying PRAGMATA and say how good it runs with RT, few days later Nvidia pushes Path tracing for a game already looking good, just shows you they can't leave it alone, they need to justify 300W gpus and 1000$ prices.
Next you see Digital Foundry pixel peeping that game, frame by frame, zoomed 400%, how good is the reflections, shadows, how stupid gaming has become.

That's just deep dive analysis of technologies used in games and by graphic cards. It's what Digital Foundry does. If you cannot correctly interpret those results to real world, realtime non zoomed in use case, then you're the problem, not their analysis. They go into depth doing this so you can see where and how for example FSR4 improved upon FSR3. Or how recent DLSS 4.5 improves upon older DLSS 4.

LuminescentI played Last of us part 1 and 2 and i have to say, the attention to detail, art work and story puts to shame current UE5 games, even clair obscure expedition 33 seems like a simple game compared to these uber expensive games to produce.
What we can learn from this is you don't need 9070 xt's and rtx 5070 ti's to have amazing graphics, great gameplay and amazing story.
Nvidia and AMD only care to sell, i saw some people trying PRAGMATA and say how good it runs with RT, few days later Nvidia pushes Path tracing for a game already looking good, just shows you they can't leave it alone, they need to justify 300W gpus and 1000$ prices.
Next you see Digital Foundry pixel peeping that game, frame by frame, zoomed 400%, how good is the reflections, shadows, how stupid gaming gamers have become.

FTFY
DF caters to a demand of idiots clicking YT vids. Influencers are serving up straight up advertising and people 'like to watch it'. Not a day goes by without a forum post on TPU of some fool that flashed his BIOS because Youtube or a social told him so. Why not repaste your CPU while you're at it! You were fixing a software bug, but hey, just rebuild that PC, all is well.

Good luck with common sense in this environment. It has infested TPU as well, with simpletons asking for GPU reviews that are in fact game performance reviews for their specific hardware because otherwise they have to actually use some cognitive ability alongside their reading. We have the same pixel peepers here too, requesting 400% zoomed DLSS comparisons and getting served.

Yeah. We get what we pay for.
Nvidia's clusterfuck is a self inflicted harm we have been carefully cultivating ourselves.

RejZoRThat's just deep dive analysis of technologies used in games and by graphic cards. It's what Digital Foundry does. If you cannot correctly interpret those results to real world, realtime non zoomed in use case, then you're the problem, not their analysis. They go into depth doing this so you can see where and how for example FSR4 improved upon FSR3. Or how recent DLSS 4.5 improves upon older DLSS 4.

Really ? they said "The Last of Us Part 2 PC Review - We're Disappointed", this is the title for review of that game on PC.
They were disappointed it doesn't run on a cheap Nvidia GPU maxed, of course they didn't test AMD at all, game was built for old AMD architecture after all.
If they were honest and compare that game with the crap we see these days with RT and path tracing, man the difference is huge.

I mean yeah, no shit. With Nvidia effectively exiting the market between 500-1000$ it makes sense for AMD to try to focus on a product that effectively has no Nvidia equivalent.
The 5070 is too close to the 9070, the 9070XT is too far ahead of the 5070 to be a reasonable alternative.

vlad.coolishBy default RX 9070 XT this is over-overclocked garbage.
The Navi 48 chip is good, but a middle-class videocard should have a 200W TDP, not 300W.
This is confirmed by people who reduce the Power Consumption in Adrenalin for 30% and get a very slight reduction in performance :cool:

you're just saying stuff that make no sense. Since when is 9070XT mid-range lmao. It can run any game at any resolution with decent FPS and even more with redstone, if that's your thing. You're just shilling for ngreedia at this point, just come clean and say it. "mid-range" lmao.

It makes sense. In a higher priced product, the cost of VRAM is smaller as a percentage of the total price of the product.

LuminescentI have the 9070 xt and it's true, from 200W to 300W you gain very little performance, maybe 10%, they pushed this chip to compete with 5070 ti better.

Not all dies are equal and in many cases manufacturers choose a higher voltage just to be safe, to avoid a product to end up with a huge number of people reporting instabilities. This isn't something new. I have this in my signature "Core2Duo laptop with the CPU undervolted at 1.0125V down from 1.188V". It's typical for CPUs and GPUs to work with less voltage at even higher frequencies. if AMD, or Intel or Nvidia was using a voltage very close to what a chip needs, there would have been everyday thousands of cases with people reporting bsods and stuff.

I guess this is some intermediary news. Later in the year it will be obvious all hardware sales are going down fast. Then they will cut/stop manufacturing even more.

razzaQyou're just saying stuff that make no sense. Since when is 9070XT mid-range lmao. It can run any game at any resolution with decent FPS and even more with redstone, if that's your thing. You're just shilling for ngreedia at this point, just come clean and say it. "mid-range" lmao.

rtx 5070 Ti is lower High End
RX 9070XT is upper mid class

Source: Team Green PR manual

Vayra86... because otherwise they have to actually use some cognitive ability alongside their reading.

... nad thats why Reading with comprehension is now considered as Super Power.

Vayra86Yeah. We get what we pay for.

The more you pay (now), the more you pay (next time).

Vayra86Nvidia's clusterfuck is a self inflicted harm we have been carefully cultivating ourselves.

In the end we will own nothing and will be happy.

Good time to buy GPU was Autumn 2025.
(Prices without VAT)
Mar 2025: 758€ / Now: 682€ - GIGABYTE AORUS Radeon RX 9070 XT ELITE 16G
Dec 2025: 539€ / Now: 629€ - GIGABYTE Radeon RX 9070 XT GAMING OC 16G
Nov 2025: 463€ / Now: 564€ - SAPPHIRE PULSE AMD Radeon RX 9070 GAMING 16G

Too much hestitation .. and I had to buy full 9070XT instead of 9070. Short after Black Friday it went missing and 2 weeks later it vent from 463€ to 512€. So just added measly +26€ to get full 9070XT.

Undervolt -70 mV, Power Limit -30%, Radeon Chill 60 fps ....
4k@60 fps in game without FSR support
130~170W - Palworld
170~200W - Infinity Nikky

And just like that AMD is fallowing (trailing) NV footsteps to kill the privet GPU consumers world.

vlad.coolishBy default RX 9070 XT this is over-overclocked garbage.
The Navi 48 chip is good, but a middle-class videocard should have a 200W TDP, not 300W.
This is confirmed by people who reduce the Power Consumption in Adrenalin for 30% and get a very slight reduction in performance :cool:

You can get this kind of results from a lot of cards. I think these cards of recent generations are pushed too high with the power to squeeze as much out of them as they can.

I drop the power to 70% on my 3080Ti and lose very little performance. According to MSI Afterburner, the card hits clock speeds of around 1950 on core instead of maybe around 2050 I see it hit when the power limit is left at 100.

neatfeatguyYou can get this kind of results from a lot of cards. I think these cards of recent generations are pushed too high with the power to squeeze as much out of them as they can.

I drop the power to 70% on my 3080Ti and lose very little performance. According to MSI Afterburner, the card hits clock speeds of around 1950 on core instead of maybe around 2050 I see it hit when the power limit is left at 100.

A lot of cards really don't like it. The 7900XTX is a good example of a card that does not want to be TDP limited whatsoever (below stock).
The 9070XT is a bit of an exception for AMD as the sweet-spot TDP is more like 240W.

The same rig. 2 GPUs
1) 340W ... GIGABYTE AORUS Radeon RX 9070 XT ELITE 16G
2) 240W ... GIGABYTE AORUS Radeon RX 9070 XT ELITE 16G
3) 230W ... GIGABYTE Radeon RX 9070 XT GAMING OC 16G

www.3dmark.com/fs/33229059
www.3dmark.com/fs/33229092
www.3dmark.com/fs/34238927

vlad.coolishBy default RX 9070 XT this is over-overclocked garbage.
The Navi 48 chip is good, but a middle-class videocard should have a 200W TDP, not 300W.

Who's saying that? The voices in your head?

The 5070 Ti consumes about 300 W with RT, with some models hovering close or over that number. In the meantime, Nvidia is pushing close to 600 W on the high-end.

So why has this suddenly become a problem to you?

Dirt ChipAnd just like that AMD is fallowing (trailing) NV footsteps to kill the privet GPU consumers world.

With all the legitimately dumb things AMD does, there is no need to invent slights. AMD focusing on producing a card in segment that Nvidia is allegedly abandoning is a smart play. Which is odd to me because it goes against their usual mantra. "Never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity".