AMD Phenom X4 Compared to Intel Core 2 Duo in Crysis

#101

niko084Have seen a bunch showing the Phenom lacking behind.... Almost every single one....
I have talked to people that have tested them personally, "AMD" fans at that... They claim the same....

It's sad really, I love AMD, I have been running AMD's since the K5 days, until recently...

Hopefully they have something up their sleeves we don't know about again that they will just shoot out there.

I feel ya on that! Who doesnt want an underdog to beat the top dog. Oh well, if prices are right id still get one.. but the price has be very tempting. Im still concerned if the mobo makers have something to do with the performance were seeing. Not saying the mobos are intentially doing this, but i think a revision might help out alot from their part.

Im more on a look out for a decent mother board from AMD (probably start looking at X38 now with what ive seen lately). The mother board is a part thats just as equally important as the CPU. Something that can update flawlessly later, big overclock abilities and has pcie 2nd gen is what i care about. If i find a great mobo under the 200 hundred mark i could live with a cheap ol entry dual core and over clock it like mad until quad core become dirt cheap. :roll:

#102

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

the new chips seem kinda slow....maybe its the mobos lack of a WORKING BIOS!!!

#103

niko084

cdawallthe new chips seem kinda slow....maybe its the mobos lack of a WORKING BIOS!!!

Doubtful... They have been in testing for a LONG time... They should have that solid by now, especially being AMD/ATI merger...

#104

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator

I kinda didn't like the AMD + ATI merger. Both were industry-dominant companies before. AMD was flying high with the success of the Athlon 64, ATI's Radeon X1900 quietly slipped in and gave a sound-thrashing to the Geforce 7800. Look at them now.

#105

erocker

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btarunrI kinda didn't like the AMD + ATI merger. Both were industry-dominant companies before. AMD was flying high with the success of the Athlon 64, ATI's Radeon X1900 quietly slipped in and gave a sound-thrashing to the Geforce 7800. Look at them now.

They had runs but were never dominant. What about the millions of suckers who bought P4's over the better AMD? ATi has been around a while, sure but nVidia has been the dominant video card manufacturer the past fifteen years. I completely disagree with what you said, regardless of what thrashings ATi's cards have done to Nvidia's, Nvidia has always sold more, just like Intel.

#106

hat

Enthusiast

One of my uncles is like that... seriously... he's a diehard Intel fanboy... He bought a PD 3.4GHz :banghead:

#107

VILLAIN_xx

btarunrI kinda didn't like the AMD + ATI merger. Both were industry-dominant companies before. AMD was flying high with the success of the Athlon 64, ATI's Radeon X1900 quietly slipped in and gave a sound-thrashing to the Geforce 7800. Look at them now.

Well no one likes it now because it seems to be hurting them. I know i do too! Honestly though, i dont think AMD or ATI will dissappear if anyone is speculating that. I think AMd will choose to focus on making GPUs only before dissappearing from the map. They sold more GPUs than CPUs since they merged. Also Do not forget they recieved a huge check for 8% shares from the small government Abu Dahbi.

But the biggest sales are always the cheapest entry levels of any product. Which is where AMD has been lookin at for the last year and half. I think there will be an even cheaper Phenom coming out next year just like how they whipped out the BE-2100 series and 3600X2 before that.

Anyways check out that Abu Dahbi news i told ya about. Its all over the net but this one was a bit more detailed than most.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21840227/

Last time i heard Mubadala Investor Company gave alot of money to computer tech engineer schools. Could this mean something?

#108

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator

erockerThey had runs but were never dominant. What about the millions of suckers who bought P4's over the better AMD? ATi has been around a while, sure but nVidia has been the dominant video card manufacturer the past fifteen years. I completely disagree with what you said, regardless of what thrashings ATi's cards have done to Nvidia's, Nvidia has always sold more, just like Intel.

Nvidia and Intel have sold more even during times when they didn't make the best products in the market. This was solely because they had better product-distribution channels and marketing teams. People bought their product mostly because 1. They weren't informed about the presence of better alternatives 2. The alternative products never really reached their markets. Did you forget about the lawsuit AMD filed against Intel (which it won) where Intel was playing foul in not letting stocks/containers of AMD products reach south-east Asia? So sales figures are really not indicative of the quality of products made by these companies. The entire GeForce FX line of products were outsold (and outperformed) by the Radeon 9000 series. The Fastest single-GPU DirectX 9 card in today is the Radeon X1950 XTX. By the time things moved into the DX 10 arena, and most tech-forums showing rumored prototypes of a certain DX 10 card from ATi, ATi was merged with AMD.

ATI was founded in 1985, 8 years before NVidia, they were one of those tho started the GPU industry.

PS. You and I have the same video-cards (check system specs)

VILLAIN_xxWell no one likes it now because it seems to be hurting them. I know i do too! Honestly though, i dont think AMD or ATI will dissappear if anyone is speculating that. I think AMD will choose to focus on making GPUs only before dissappearing from the map. They sold more GPUs than CPUs since they merged. Also Do not forget they recieved a huge check for 8% shares from the small government Abu Dahbi.

Well, end of the day AMD is able to sell to its potential and manufacturing capacity.

Here in India, most government offices and banks use Athlon XP based systems. The police station closest to me has a "rig" running an Athlon XP 3200+. Late night, when idle, one of the officers and I play Counter Strike: Source online. On August 15th this year (Indian Independence day) I donated my old Radeon 9800 Pro card to them.

#109

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

btarunrNvidia and Intel have sold more even during times when they didn't make the best products in the market. This was solely because they had better product-distribution channels and marketing teams. People bought their product mostly because 1. They weren't informed about the presence of better alternatives 2. The alternative products never really reached their markets. Did you forget about the lawsuit AMD filed against Intel (which it won) where Intel was playing foul in not letting stocks/containers of AMD products reach south-east Asia? So sales figures are really not indicative of the quality of products made by these companies. The entire GeForce FX line of products were outsold (and outperformed) by the Radeon 9000 series. The Fastest single-GPU DirectX 9 card in today is the Radeon X1950 XTX. By the time things moved into the DX 10 arena, and most tech-forums showing rumored prototypes of a certain DX 10 card from ATi, ATi was merged with AMD.

ok 1 the X1950XTX is not the fastest card on the market it trades blows with the 7900GTX
hwbot.org/hardware.compare.do?type=gpu&id=741_1&id=1034_1&id=1036_1
and 2 the FX line of cards KILLED the 9xx0 series cards in non DX9 tests IE openGL was laughabe on ATis cards and as you can see from HWBOT only the DX9 and 9c tests did the 9800s win
hwbot.org/hardware.compare.do?type=gpu&id=337_1&id=120_1&id=585_1&id=223_1&id=338_1&id=100_1

also NV is still the king of AGP try and beat an ATi card thats beats the 7950GT :D or 7900GTX for that matter (gainward bliss 7800GS 512mb is a rebadged 7900GTX)

#110

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator

cdawallok 1 the X1950XTX is not the fastest card on the market it trades blows with the 7900GTX
hwbot.org/hardware.compare.do?type=gpu&id=741_1&id=1034_1&id=1036_1
and 2 the FX line of cards KILLED the 9xx0 series cards in non DX9 tests IE openGL was laughabe on ATis cards and as you can see from HWBOT only the DX9 and 9c tests did the 9800s win
hwbot.org/hardware.compare.do?type=gpu&id=337_1&id=120_1&id=585_1&id=223_1&id=338_1&id=100_1

also NV is still the king of AGP try and beat an ATi card thats beats the 7950GT :D or 7900GTX for that matter (gainward bliss 7800GS 512mb is a rebadged 7900GTX)

If your math serves you right, On an avg, the X1950 XTX is ahead of the 7900 GTX (3 out of 5) in real-world tests, in AquaMark the difference is a nibble.

Over-clocking? You see, over-clocking capabilities is an unfair parameter to judge hardware on.

Geforce FX fared better only in some OpenGL tests compared to Radeon 9xxx. DX9 is the API that propels the industry.

Want to know which is the fastest AGP card in existence? Click here

#111

AsRock

TPU addict

Am i reading this right ?.. 1-5FPS slower for AMD on there new gear which could easily get better ?.

If i am right OMG 5 FPS differance OOOOOOO O please lol.

#112

VILLAIN_xx

question!

AsRockAm i reading this right ?.. 1-5FPS slower for AMD on there new gear which could easily get better ?.

If i am right OMG 5 FPS differance OOOOOOO O please lol.

Totally lol.

I notice the hardest critics are the hard core gamers...

But

Did i witness a stock Phenom 9900 2.6ghz compete almost neck in neck with a Intel 3.0ghz on Bioshock?

the 9600 2.3ghz trailed by a measely .6 frames against the goliath Qx9770 on Supreme commander.

Wow.

Um isnt this what Core 2 people were bragging about when E6600 2.4ghz defeated an AMD FX at 2.6ghz on games?
see it for your self techreport.com/articles.x/13633/6

#113

mdm-adph

btarunrWant to know which is the fastest AGP card in existence? Click here

You sure about that? [GeCube X1950 XT AGP]

It's still an ATI, though. ;)

#114

Deleted member 3

AsRockAm i reading this right ?.. 1-5FPS slower for AMD on there new gear which could easily get better ?.

If i am right OMG 5 FPS differance OOOOOOO O please lol.

Count in percentages and add the fact that C2D is already being replaced with the next generation as well. Even though the difference isn't huge in it still shows AMD is still far behind.

Besides, a C2D costs less than those Phenoms and can be clocked far higher.

#115

[I.R.A]_FBi

DanTheBanjomanCount in percentages and add the fact that C2D is already being replaced with the next generation as well. Even though the difference isn't huge in it still shows AMD is still far behind.

Besides, a C2D costs less than those Phenoms and can be clocked far higher.

that is the whole picture, teh phenoms cant compete with outgoing tech and they are more expensive to boot ...

#116

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

btarunrIf your math serves you right, On an avg, the X1950 XTX is ahead of the 7900 GTX (3 out of 5) in real-world tests, in AquaMark the difference is a nibble.

Over-clocking? You see, over-clocking capabilities is an unfair parameter to judge hardware on.

Geforce FX fared better only in some OpenGL tests compared to Radeon 9xxx. DX9 is the API that propels the industry.

Want to know which is the fastest AGP card in existence? Click here

ROFL are you kidding me an X1950PRO is NO WERE NEAR a 7950GT or 7900GTX...wtf are you smoking?

FASTEST AGP CARD click me

i would love to see a X1950PRO even touch a 7900GTX 512mb

overclocking is a fair judge for me and most who surf this forum...I dont care if its only a percent in the RW that do it i do and thats what matters to me. again FX5950 beat out the 9800PRo in the VAST MAJORITY of opengl tests and games and DX9 is falling away to DX10 just as DX8 did to DX8.1 and DX9

#117

3991vhtes

hatOne of my uncles is like that... seriously... he's a diehard Intel fanboy... He bought a PD 3.4GHz :banghead:

Why :banghead: about that?

Intel > AMD

They're both great, don't get me wrong, but Intel's generally benchmark higher, and are more stable.

#118

theonetruewill

cdawallROFL are you kidding me an X1950PRO is NO WERE NEAR a 7950GT or 7900GTX...wtf are you smoking?

FASTEST AGP CARD click me

i would love to see a X1950PRO even touch a 7900GTX 512mb

overclocking is a fair judge for me and most who surf this forum...I dont care if its only a percent in the RW that do it i do and thats what matters to me. again FX5950 beat out the 9800PRo in the VAST MAJORITY of opengl tests and games and DX9 is falling away to DX10 just as DX8 did to DX8.1 and DX9

cdawallalso NV is still the king of AGP try and beat an ATi card thats beats the 7950GT :D or 7900GTX for that matter (gainward bliss 7800GS 512mb is a rebadged 7900GTX)
Umm.... Are you sure you don't mean the Gainward 7800GS is a rebadged 7800GT.... It only has 20 pipelines, not 24 like the 7800GTX or 7900GTX.
And the X1950XT AGP clearly defeats a rebadged 7800GT card... Sorry, but Nvidia is not the king of AGP, currently ATi is. Your argument about the X1950Pro not being anywhere near a 7900GTX is true, but slightly begins to lose merit when it's actually an X1950Pro vs 7800GT argument.

#119

Tatty_Two

Gone Fishing

Solaris17well i look at it this way im an amd fanboi..however i want a penryn...but i think i will go phenom why? because a mad cheap processor that preforms worse by a whole 5fps is way better than spending the extra 300$$ as for amd and their futire i hope thay make it theirs no doubt that this is a really dark time for amd....my hopes is they pull an intel and instead of slapping more cores on or just spending as little money as possible to keep in the game with ht 3.0 and pci-e 2.0 they throw some mad money into R&D and as i said pull an intel and come out with an arch change ever gen. instead of using old arch to compete with new chips by adding more cores...if you think about it AM2 was the last arch change and theirs were no suggnificant changes other than the mem controller. that means that current amd chips are using the arch they made to stomp P4's in the ghz race...but were past that. they need something new. i mean look at penryn thats next gen coming out soon and want to know something intel claims thairs a bunch of changes more eficents and powerfull than the original conro's we all love....that my friends is improvement amd ought to take a page revamp their little nano wiore network and finally deliver kick ass product.

my 2cents.

But the entry level Yorkfield 45nm quads are actually expected to be LOWER in price! So your very good argument (and it is good) is not applicable really :p

#120

kwchang007

VILLAIN_xxTotally lol.

I notice the hardest critics are the hard core gamers...

But

Did i witness a stock Phenom 9900 2.6ghz compete almost neck in neck with a Intel 3.0ghz on Bioshock?

the 9600 2.3ghz trailed by a measely .6 frames against the goliath Qx9770 on Supreme commander.

Wow.

Um isnt this what Core 2 people were bragging about when E6600 2.4ghz defeated an AMD FX at 2.6ghz on games?
see it for your self techreport.com/articles.x/13633/6

Alot of those tests seemed VERY limited by the gpu. q6600 and qx6800 scoring withing 2 fps....doesn't seem cpu bound by me.

#121

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

theonetruewillUmm.... Are you sure you don't mean the Gainward 7800GS is a rebadged 7800GT.... It only has 20 pipelines, not 24 like the 7800GTX or 7900GTX.
And the X1950XT AGP clearly defeats a rebadged 7800GT card... Sorry, but Nvidia is not the king of AGP, currently ATi is. Your argument about the X1950Pro not being anywhere near a 7900GTX is true, but slightly begins to lose merit when it's actually an X1950Pro vs 7800GT argument.

i take it you didnt read the link

mvktech.netThis was followed quite fast with some more impressive version, namely a Gainward BLISS 7800 GS GLH AGP clocked at 450/1300MHz. Really not much difference with the normal version except being overclocked and still using the G70 core just like on the GeForce 7800 GT video card. And now it becomes even more interesting, NVIDIA did a design refresh on their G70 core by optimizing and going for a 90nm manufacturing process. This gave us the introduction of the GeForce 7900 series based around the optimized G71 core with 24 pipelines and 8 vertex shaders for both the GTX and GT version. Guess what, yeah indeed the G71 core is powering the Gainward BLISS 7800 GS+ AGP graphics card.

that would meant the 7800GS+ 512mb is a 7900GTX not the older 7800GS 256mb edition which is based of the 7800GT as you said

#122

zekrahminator

McLovin

...Why are you having a battle over video cards that are ancient news?

#123

theonetruewill

cdawalli take it you didnt read the link
that would meant the 7800GS+ 512mb is a 7900GTX not the older 7800GS 256mb edition which is based of the 7800GT as you said

I think they're wrong, the Gainward Bliss 7800GS 512MB has only got 20 pipelines. Ahh I've just seen the one you're talking about I didn't think they'd got it right but I've read other articles; they released a second 512MB (yes the first one was also available with 512MB GDDR3 as well) 7900GT (it's not anywhere near GTX speeds) core based 7800GS. Firstly these cards were extremely rare, but secondly- do you really believe the 7900GT can destroy an X1950XT? I don't.

#124

Tatty_Two

Gone Fishing

theonetruewillUmm.... Are you sure you don't mean the Gainward 7800GS is a rebadged 7800GT.... It only has 20 pipelines, not 24 like the 7800GTX or 7900GTX.
And the X1950XT AGP clearly defeats a rebadged 7800GT card... Sorry, but Nvidia is not the king of AGP, currently ATi is. Your argument about the X1950Pro not being anywhere near a 7900GTX is true, but slightly begins to lose merit when it's actually an X1950Pro vs 7800GT argument.

There is a 7950GT AGP card, it is supposed to be faster than the 1950Pro..................... although personally I cant confirm that or otherwise, the few bits I have read suggests it is

www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurationDetails.jspa;jsessionid=aYX67Sd4w7z9JxHDKz?series=GeForce%26trade%3B+7900&productConfigurationId=1006137

#125

VILLAIN_xx

kwchang007Alot of those tests seemed VERY limited by the gpu. q6600 and qx6800 scoring withing 2 fps....doesn't seem cpu bound by me.

I totally 1000% agree with you. I've had this discussion with Btarnr already. We can all agree to that. From 95% of the threads ive seen, the pubbers who are harshest on phenom stomp about "who gets better Fps in games".

CPU, GPU, MOBO are the 3 main power horses for hard core gaming.

These benchies are done with an "iffy mobo, an "inferior" CPU, and a staple GPU used on all the tests for the phenom.

I really hope the next line of mobos can make a difference on the phenom overall. Im still convinced the mobo makers havent worked long enough with the phenomx4 since it was almost a completely remade,rehash of their first quad project.... ;)

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