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As a TPU follower for quite some time, long before becoming a member, I've personally not seen bias towards one brand or the other.:)

However, have seen a few that does, when I do, may read a review, will take it with a grain of salt.:D

The cool thing about TPU is it's wealth of information, just by opening the GPU-Z app & clicking 'Lookup', there's the specs in full, as well as (sometimes) a review, that's how I stumbled across this discussion, and a few others. caught my eye. Doesn't matter if AMD or NVIDIA, as well as integrated graphics, the details are in front of the screen to read.:toast:

TBH, I don't care which side wins the battle, because in the end, this means more choice for us at lower pricing. Personally, I'm more of a NVIDIA fanboy when it comes to GPU's.....however if I were building a new PC & had the funds, would take the better of the two cards (soon to be three if Intel is serious), regardless of brand. That's why (likely) am leaning to a Threadripper build next year, costs far less than Intel, may be 10% slower under certain loads, yet the price differential would nearly net one of these killer GPU's. Plus the many PCIe lanes, to me, 60 is a dream come true!:peace:

BTW, while this isn't my best rig, just got a killer deal on a GTX 670 ($65 shipped) & will be playing with it for a few days, to ensure I didn't get ripped off, so far, so good! I like both new & older hardware, there's some great GPU's on eBay with lots of life left, however with these, prefer NVIDIA over AMD. Costs less, uses less power at the AC socket & delivers great bang for the buck.:)

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It's a shame that DX12 isn't really taking off as much as everyone thought though. DX11 is still firmly entrenched. So while Radeon VII could be considered more 'future proof' in a way, I think DX11 is still really important to show. On that note do you think it is a driver thing or a hardware thing? I have heard that AMD's driver is a lot less bottlenecky (is that a word? xD) in DX12 and Vulkan so it can extract more performance from the GPU.
Quite right, DX11 is still very popular, which is why there is good justification for the mix of tests TPU chose. If you are looking to determine how "future proof" a GPU might be, you should probably disregard the average performance summary here that includes so many DX11 games and focus on titles that are tested on more advanced APIs.
 
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I have no doubt Ngreedia will bounce back after the $1,200.00 RTX debockle. Probably a new gpu at around $900.00 lolz
 

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I remember back around when I first joined this forum those saying that W1zzard was biased against NVidia!
 
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People tend to sympathize the "underdog"

It is part of our biology over millions of years of evolution. Just look at this peer reviewed scientific journals here:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146167207307488


Abstract
When people observe competitions, they are often drawn to figures that are seen as disadvantaged or unlikely to prevail. The present research tested the scope and limits of people's support for underdogs. The first two studies demonstrated, in the context of Olympic matches (Study 1) and the Israeli—Palestinian conflict (Study 2), that observers' support for a competitor increased when framing it as an underdog. The final two studies explored mechanisms underlying support for underdogs. Study 3 showed that participants attributed more effort to a team when they believed it to be an underdog, and perceptions of effort mediated liking. In Study 4, participants reading a hypothetical sporting event supported a team with a low probability of success and labeled it an underdog unless it had greater resources than an opponent, suggesting that low expectations by themselves do not engender support if positive outcomes are not seen as deserved.

So yeah, by our nature people WILL be drawn to rooting for the smaller guys(AMD here). While through education and critical thinking we can function less dependent on our inherent nature and more based on facts and logic.
 
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I get what you're saying there. But I believe your reasoning is flawed. One doesn't have to root for the sure winner to display education or critical thought. It's not about either of those things in reality. It's about the social construct of those with power vs. those without power. Plain and simple. It doesn't make you stupid, illogical, uneducated, non-factual, or unwise in any way shape or form to root for underdogs. That's ridiculous...and frankly dumb...to think that's the truth at the heart of the matter. Like I said, it's totally a social thing. We support those who are like us...because they are like us. Underdog or not.

Anyway...on the topic of the thread. I was disappointed with the TPU Radeon VII review. Which I felt was overly negative towards it. Too much talk about what it isn't. Not enough talk about what it really is. But I wouldn't say I get a bad impression from TPU reviews very often. It happens. Just not a lot.
 
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I get what you're saying there. But I believe your reasoning is flawed. One doesn't have to root for the sure winner to display education or critical thought. It's not about either of those things in reality. It's about the social construct of those with power vs. those without power. Plain and simple. It doesn't make you stupid, illogical, uneducated, non-factual, or unwise in any way shape or form to root for underdogs. That's ridiculous...and frankly dumb...to think that's the truth at the heart of the matter. Like I said, it's totally a social thing. We support those who are like us...because they are like us. Underdog or not.

Anyway...on the topic of the thread. I was disappointed with the TPU Radeon VII review. Which I felt was overly negative towards it. Too much talk about what it isn't. Not enough talk about what it really is. But I wouldn't say I get a bad impression from TPU reviews very often. It happens. Just not a lot.

Dude nothing wrong with supporting underdog. Just pointing out it is human nature.

We like seeing efforts

Underdog struggling to compete infer greater effors

People like underdog.

Very simple.
 
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#34
I remember back around when I first joined this forum those saying that W1zzard was biased against NVidia!
Those phases come and go for every longlasting review site. When I first started becoming aware of the computer gaming community, I remember [H]OCP's Kyle Bennett was accused of being biased in favor of ATi. Then Nvidia. Then AMD. Hey, I guess the checks from Toronto bounced during the transition from ATi to AMD :kookoo:
 

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I was disappointed with the TPU Radeon VII review. Which I felt was overly negative towards it. Too much talk about what it isn't. Not enough talk about what it really is.
This made me curious

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#36
All I can say is the reviews here are good - The info/results is gathered and put out there for the reader.
From that point it's up to you, the reader to decide if what you are seeing makes the item being reviewed good or not.

I'll say from what I saw of the Radeon VII I'd buy it but others would not because personal expectations are different between people.

Some really want absolute max FPS in a game while others are of the mindset of as long as it plays smooth and gives an overall good experience it's fine. Features it supports also matter for some based on what they expect from it once it's purchased right along with how well it executes these features.

There is also the basic concept of $$ spent for what you get in return, cheaper for what makes you happy is always good but not everyone has deep pockets to make a fuss over a few FPS - For some it's a matter of getting something that just works.

All that considered along with a review done is relevant to the reader, it's up to the reader of an artice to interprit what they see vs what they expect and go from there.
Personally I've seen nothing that amounts to bias here, w1zzard has done a good job of his reviews and continues to do so.
 
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#37
There are scenarios that Vega VII can literally tie the RTX 2080 Ti, but definitively those are rare and Vega VII can't be a serious contender for the RTX 2080 Ti. Also there are several games that runs way above 170fps that triggers CPU bottleneck conditions on AMD hardware, inflating the scores in nVidia favors as even an RTX 2060 ties Vega on those scenarios, and affects the overall summary of scores. That is why I skip those games that can be run on a nail clipper and see games like Strange Brigade, FFXV and so on.
 
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After taking a look at some of the other reviews, you are spot on.
If I read it correctly, TPU's Radeon VII review had 1 test for Vulkan, 2 for DX12 and 18 for DX11.
Other reviews that focused more on DX12 showed better performance for the Radeon VII.
Exactly, many reviews show better overall performance In DX12.
 

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This is common. People want to believe that things are different than real life, because they have some absurd brand loyalty for no reason.
 
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I have some brand loyalty to a certain extent. Let me run the list.
ASUS
Sapphire
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SteelSeries
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ATI :D
 
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The thing that I would consider biased about the reviews is that there are not enough DX12 titles in the game list which is where AMD shines. Then I remembered that pretty much no one uses DX12 so the amount of titles is probably proportionate.
 
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At the end of the day, I'm still trying to work out what is so special about DX12, it's not like the eye candy goes through the roof compared to DX11. BFV takes a hit even before the evil attempt at bringing RTRT to consumers kicks in.

As it stands, all credit to W1zzard, he must feel like Lady Diana walking through a minefield.
 

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The thing that I would consider biased about the reviews is that there are not enough DX12 titles in the game list which is where AMD shines. Then I remembered that pretty much no one uses DX12 so the amount of titles is probably proportionate.
I wouldn't say amd shines I would say the ideal behind Dx12 can utilize a design that isn't really targeted directly at gaming
 
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#45
As a TPU follower for quite some time, long before becoming a member, I've personally not seen bias towards one brand or the other.:)

However, have seen a few that does, when I do, may read a review, will take it with a grain of salt.:D

The cool thing about TPU is it's wealth of information, just by opening the GPU-Z app & clicking 'Lookup', there's the specs in full, as well as (sometimes) a review, that's how I stumbled across this discussion, and a few others. caught my eye. Doesn't matter if AMD or NVIDIA, as well as integrated graphics, the details are in front of the screen to read.:toast:

TBH, I don't care which side wins the battle, because in the end, this means more choice for us at lower pricing. Personally, I'm more of a NVIDIA fanboy when it comes to GPU's.....however if I were building a new PC & had the funds, would take the better of the two cards (soon to be three if Intel is serious), regardless of brand. That's why (likely) am leaning to a Threadripper build next year, costs far less than Intel, may be 10% slower under certain loads, yet the price differential would nearly net one of these killer GPU's. Plus the many PCIe lanes, to me, 60 is a dream come true!:peace:

BTW, while this isn't my best rig, just got a killer deal on a GTX 670 ($65 shipped) & will be playing with it for a few days, to ensure I didn't get ripped off, so far, so good! I like both new & older hardware, there's some great GPU's on eBay with lots of life left, however with these, prefer NVIDIA over AMD. Costs less, uses less power at the AC socket & delivers great bang for the buck.:)

http://speccy.piriform.com/results/pveD6x2AwNO8ed8Pn4kWJ4B

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If I may correct you on that, the said review draws a picture on the Threadripper cpu system, so there are reasons for its materially different judgement. It would be unfair, if we would call it "AMD gpu" bias because clearly it is the "AMD cpu" at variance with the common assumption here.
 
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#46
Those who call others biased are usually the most biased people.

I don't understand the concept of brand/company loyalty.

They all suck equally in my book:

* Microsoft sucks - I'm not a big fan of Windows 8/10 and Office 2013 or newer.
* Intel sucks - limiting overclocking was a disgusting move, and their products are overpriced.
* Nvidia sucks - their products are overpriced and time to time they pull some nasty move.
* AMD sucks - their products aren't cheap like used to be. Radeon drivers aren't rock stable.
* Apple sucks - their products ARE overpriced.

Both RTX 2080 and Radeon VII suck for me. I refuse to spend $600 on something that is going to least 2-3 years.
 
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#47
This made me curious
I see your point. I guess what leaves me off-put is the constant comparison to Nvidia. Which is really my problem. I have no interest in Nvidia or their products...for personal reasons. Thus...I don't really care how other products stack up compared to theirs. I don't care how theirs perform. I don't care how much theirs cost. I don't care if for the same price theirs is better. I don't care if for a lesser price theirs is better. I JUST DO NOT CARE ABOUT NVIDIA. But I realize other people do. And that for a review something usually needs compared to something else to make certain points about it. I just wish it wasn't always a comparison to Nvidia somethings. Is that sensible or reasonable? Probably not. None-the-less...I don't like it.

Long story short...it's me. Not you. And I know that. But I still gotta be me.
 
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#48
Those who call others biased are usually the most biased people.

I don't understand the concept of brand/company loyalty.

They all suck equally in my book:

* Microsoft sucks - I'm not a big fan of Windows 8/10 and Office 2013 or newer.
* Intel sucks - limiting overclocking was a disgusting move, and their products are overpriced.
* Nvidia sucks - their products are overpriced and time to time they pull some nasty move.
* AMD sucks - their products aren't cheap like used to be. Radeon drivers aren't rock stable.
* Apple sucks - their products ARE overpriced.

Both RTX 2080 and Radeon VII suck for me. I refuse to spend $600 on something that is going to least 2-3 years.
What's wrong with AMD drivers? much better than NVIDIA IMO the rest is par for the course.
 
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#50
a few games that favour amd cards seem to be missing from the test review. and i guess that could lead people to say the games that are used are chosen to show nvidia in the better light.
but i always check multiple different reviews and come to a conclusion my self.
I realize the R VII out performs the 2080 in specific workloads and some specific games.
And i dont doubt that better drivers will improve the games it lags behind in..

But honestly If amd want to release a card with drivers that do not show its full potential when reviewers get the card that is amd's fault.
the cards were given with the drivers to use and the results are what they are, Fair enough maybe tpu didnt have some games that show the r vii out performing the 2080, but other places only use those specific games and show it always out performing the vii.. The review linked in the 1st page ONLY showed results where the R Vii out performed the 2080.. and there were not that many results.
at least tpu had a lot of test variables.
so just read as many reviews as you can.
i do think TPU's review of the R VII is probably one of the harshest ones but i wouldnt call biast.
Every one has their own testing methods and if you want to keep a consistent hierarchy list or at least % performance increase then you cant mess with the methodology.

So as far as im concerned I dont think its a bias review, but people should never rely on just 1 review to make a decision either.
 
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