Oh look. A 5450 rebrand. Why not just call the chip Cedar? Double the shading units, and yet lower pixel/texture rate. Glorified 5450 with double the RAM! 6450 rebrand!

RCoonOh look. A 5450 rebrand. Why not just call the chip Cedar? Double the shading units, and yet lower pixel/texture rate. Glorified 5450 with double the RAM!

It's a 6450 because it has 160 shaders :p

a poor 6450 (not 5450 ;-) ) rebrand with sucky 1066MHz (effective! ouch!) ddr3 64bit
next step 1333MHz 32bit sdram?

with only 8.5GB/s of bandwith it is only able to drive 2D or pre 2000 games at low resolution (damn a 9800pro is way better!)

iphone's gpu is better than this O.o

They should probably have named it the R3 230 or R1 230.

RCoonOh look. A 5450 rebrand. Why not just call the chip Cedar? Double the shading units, and yet lower pixel/texture rate. Glorified 5450 with double the RAM!

About the 3rd time you've whined about something AMD related in past 2 days -_-

LionheartAbout the 3rd time you've whined about something AMD related in past 2 days -_-

He is paid for that, don't you know ?

LionheartAbout the 3rd time you've whined about something AMD related in past 2 days -_-

I'm the anti-jorge. :laugh:
But I don't have specific beef with AMD, I hate on all brands. I just dislike rebrands.
We shouldn't let companies get away with stirring the pot and sticking a new label on it. Makes things stagnant.

EDIT: Maybe you shouldn't take it so personally, as you seem to make a big deal out of pointing it out. I recommend you leave it out.

HalfAHertzIt's a 6450 because it has 160 shaders :p

Ah, with half the memory!

jigar2speedHe is paid for that, don't you know ?

I wish I was paid to write an opinion based on extrapolated evidence from TPU's GPU database (which was wrong but has since been edited, besides that, it's now factual). Maybe I should make an application?

RCoonI wish I was paid to write an opinion based on extrapolated evidence from TPU's GPU database (which was wrong but has since been edited, besides that, it's now factual). Maybe I should make an application?

LOL,

64bit DDR3?? S3 Trio64V+ would be jealous man.

such beautiful minimalistic design, even it lacks power :p

Still more than Intel HD Graphics 4000, while this market area is exactly where AMD would rather see APU's fill for OEM's. They'd rather not even offer a card for this, other than a good upgrade for every Intel CPU sold. If it's so lucrative that it demands a "new chip", why or where is Nvidia? Actually Nvidia has walked away from this segment... 3 or more years ago. With the 40Nm rebrands of 520 Fermi as GT 610 at 29W TDP, or 630 just a rebadge of the GT 440 (65W TDP)... pitiful power, performance and price. Nvidia hasn't got a grip in this area, and they're the ones with no alternate arrangement, both Intel, AMD have low power on-chip GPU solutions. Nvidia has forfeited with no acceptable solution, for the low power, half-height, SFF, Media, HTPC segment.

Bashing AMD on this, hypocrites… AMD has little reason to produce some “new card” for a segment they have the lock on, or see/want to sell an APU to. While Nvidia has this great "Maxwell design" that could supposedly blow this out of the water and they don’t seem to want to get any "skin" in the game.

What about power consumption compared to 6450? is there any info yet?

ThefumigatorWhat about power consumption compared to 6450? is there any info yet?

Same as a 6450, same chip, check the TDP on the TPU database. Less VRAM, so that might help a tiny fraction.

CasecutterWhile Nvidia has this great "Maxwell design" that could supposedly blow this out of the water and they don’t seem to want to get any "skin" in the game.

Profit margin is nonexistant in that market. We're talking GPU's that cost the consumer £20/$30. The cost of a GPU's materials probably take up most of that.

RCoonProfit margin is nonexistant in that market. We're talking GPU's that cost the consumer £20/$30. The cost of a GPU's materials probably take up most of that.

So
Nvidia can't measure up/contest (stagnant) in making a 28Nm, but you’re the first one to blast AMD on a rebrand... like I said... Thanks!

CasecutterSo
Nvidia can't measure up/contest in making a 28Nm, but you’re the first one to blast AMD on a rebrand... like I said... Thanks!

My point is they don't need to rebrand, they're making people think it's a shiny new card that's more efficient and might have a chance of being a GCN card and provide extras. But it's not. They could just continue selling their 6450 stocks as they are, instead of allowing retailers and places like PC world to mislead customers into thinking they're getting new tech with new support.

And why would NVidia want to get into a market to compete for pennies on the pound? They make all their money over charging for GPU's and bringing out profit maximising cards like the Titan.

Where I work we still buy 5450's and GTX 210's because they're £20 a pop and allow for dual screens on basic computers, and drive 1440p IPS monitors. We don't care about new tech or ridiculous new naming monikers for something we are very familiar with.

Squirrel... where?

Your feelings are for the uninformed and those not cognizant of what they’re purchasing... such a upright attitude.

But yes in this low end, dual monitor segment needing anything over a 5450 at 20W TDP is all most are looking for, 6450's aren't significantly different to merit anting up to. The G210 (30.5W TDP) which are not readily found while more expensive, why?

Instead of engineering a $65 entry level GCN card with 160 shaders, AMD would rather you just buy a $45 A4 APU with 160 shaders. But I guess for the typical walmart consumer that insists on keeping a throwaway pc with a celeron inside, a rebranded HD 6450 is a good upgrade.

damricInstead of engineering a $65 entry level GCN card with 160 shaders, AMD would rather you just buy a $45 A4 APU with 160 shaders. But I guess for the typical walmart consumer that insists on keeping a throwaway pc with a celeron inside, a rebranded HD 6450 is a good upgrade.

Where did you read that it is GCN? This is a previous generation GPU rebranded to fit with more modern card naming.

your missing the point.
rebrand is to identify it properly within the current product stack.
its a gpu that is good for its purpose. e.g driving 2 or 3 monitor's on the cheap.