Friday, May 22nd 2015

Technical Director for Frostbite at DICE Reveals AMD "Fiji" Graphics Card

Johan Andersson, technical director for the Frostbite game engine at DICE, developers of games such as Battlefield, tweeted the first clear picture of AMD's next flagship graphics card, and it looks a lot [better] than this mockup render. We'd be tempted to call it the Radeon R9 390X, but older reports suggest that AMD could give it a fancy name, just as NVIDIA named its top-dog "Titan." That's not all, Andersson commented that "this new island is one seriously impressive and sweet GPU," referring to the card's GPU codename of "Fiji." AMD is expected to launch this card in the third week of June. Either to preempt that, or out of spook (with an effort to siphon off high-end GPU sales), NVIDIA is preparing the GeForce GTX 980 Ti, which will launch in the first week.
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#26
64K
EboI dont mind if the new R9 390X is slower than Titan X, I dont mind if it uses more power.
I just want the card to see how the new HBM ram is working:).

I can without any doubt still play my Tetris and FB games without any problems and the few games I have time to play.

I want to support the underdog no matter what, without the red team theres no development in GFX anymore.
Im a very happy owner of a R9 290 Tri-x OC from Sapphire, it runs everything I trow at it without any hickups and I will support AMD again.
It would be a crappy world for gamers without AMD in it that's for sure so I respect your wanting to support them. I know there are people who would gladly see AMD fall but they have no idea what that would do to Nvidia's pricing and a lack of tech advancement as well because there would be little incentive for Nvidia to push forward.

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#27
Dave65
Let's hope it performs as good as it looks!
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#28
15th Warlock
Omg that card looks badass! :rockout:

My Radeon box is due for a refresh, anyone in the market for two, slightly used 290Xs? :p

I sincerely hope all the hype sorrounding this card comes to fruition, and the card is priced sensibly, exciting times for the pc master race! :toast:
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#29
CrAsHnBuRnXp
ironwolf:cry: Someone hand me some anti-upgrade-itch cream! I was just about ready to jump into a 290X or GTX 970 but with all the goodness coming around the corner I will just wait. But ugh it's tough, hence the request for anti-upgrade-itch cream. :laugh:
Im in the same boat. Im dying to upgrade to Skylake. Still have to wait 3-6 months.
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#30
gigantor21
It's been a while since I've anticipated the pricing and benchmarks for cards from both companies so eagerly.

The wait for reviews and impressions is agonizing, LOL.
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#31
Patriot
Legacy-ZATheir cards are always so tempting to buy, but, then I remember just how bad their driver support is, then I lose all and any temptation to do so. :)
Having owned both... I really don't know what side you are talking about.
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#32
Casecutter
btarunrSame clocks as Titan-X (reportedly). With these specs, there's no doubt that 980 Ti will be slower than Titan-X. Maybe (and this is just my magic ass talking) NVIDIA is preparing to seal a $650-ish price point where Fiji-XT just single-digit-percent slower than Titan-X. *OR* Fiji-XT is faster than Titan-X, NVIDIA knows this, wants to vacuum money from people with $650-ish to spare, before Fiji-XT hits the shelves. If 980 Ti was faster than Fiji-XT, they'd launch it closer to Fiji-XT (like GTX 275 before HD 4890).
Eewh, with just 2.5-3 mo's since TitanX and Nvidia see's it apropos with 8% less in SMM, and relieve it of 50% of the cheap Hynix memory (was un-used no biggy), and they roll in with 35% off from the price! If $650 is the price, early adopters got more than slightly pilfered, even worse it was done with alacrity. Don't they call that the "Bum's Rush"
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#33
awesomesauce
Please AMD, if it's really good, name the card ATI ^^ :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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#34
arbiter
btarunrSame clocks as Titan-X (reportedly). With these specs, there's no doubt that 980 Ti will be slower than Titan-X. Maybe (and this is just my magic ass talking) NVIDIA is preparing to seal a $650-ish
Yes it will be slower BUT probably only 10% or so. Tack on the fact of 3rd party coolers it will Overclock pretty nicely so any gap could be removed pretty quick. If Nvidia sells it for 600-650$ which if rumor on AMD's chip is 850$ that puts AMD in a pretty bad spot. I doubt fiji will much faster then titan X if it even is. Benchmarks already from AMD already pretty much had it Slower then a titan as it is.
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#35
GC_PaNzerFIN
btarunrSame clocks as Titan-X (reportedly). With these specs, there's no doubt that 980 Ti will be slower than Titan-X.
That is valid for the NVIDIA stock cooler card. Need to take in to account the fact now we will see some cards with aftermarket AIB coolers. Even if stock clocks are the same, 980 Ti with AIB cooler will clock in reality much higher offsetting some of the lost performance in CUDA-cores. I can see some OC model even beating Titan X in overall performance.
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#36
HumanSmoke
CasecutterEewh, with just 2.5-3 mo's since TitanX and Nvidia see's it apropos with 8% less in SMM, and relieve it of 50% of the cheap Hynix memory (was un-used no biggy), and they roll in with 35% off from the price! If $650 is the price, early adopters got more than slightly pilfered, even worse it was done with alacrity. Don't they call that the "Bum's Rush"
Well, two points:
1. How many actual/potential Titan X adopters would not have been aware that Nvidia would be doing just this? I'm guessing the percentage is the barest fraction above 0%.
2. As I alluded to in the post I linked to, if history is any indicator, the $650 price tag will buy a vendor cooler, higher clocks, and quite possibly, more leeway with power budget ( the 6GB of GDDR5 lost should translate into~ 30-35W of power that can be used for higher clocks), and quite possibly a non-reference PCB and custom power delivery circuit depending upon vendor. Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, Palit, EVGA, and Galaxy amongst others all have a tendency to release their lower tier custom design overclocked cards at reference MSRP.

I really wouldn't bother bringing pricing depreciation into the discussion. Graphics cards aren't particularly known as blue chip investments, and I seem to recall that depreciation isn't vendor specific.
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#37
Xzibit
ironwolf:cry: Someone hand me some anti-upgrade-itch cream! I was just about ready to jump into a 290X or GTX 970 but with all the goodness coming around the corner I will just wait. But ugh it's tough, hence the request for anti-upgrade-itch cream. :laugh:
Try this
:roll:
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#38
Casecutter
HumanSmokeWell, two points:
1. How many actual/potential Titan X adopters would not have been aware that Nvidia would be doing just this? I'm guessing the percentage is the barest fraction above 0%.
2. As I alluded to in the post I linked to, if history is any indicator, the $650 price tag will buy a vendor cooler, higher clocks, and quite possibly, more leeway with power budget ( the 6GB of GDDR5 lost should translate into~ 30-35W of power that can be used for higher clocks), and quite possibly a non-reference PCB and custom power delivery circuit depending upon vendor. Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, Palit, EVGA, and Galaxy amongst others all have a tendency to release their lower tier custom design overclocked cards at reference MSRP.

I really wouldn't bother bringing pricing depreciation into the discussion. Graphics cards aren't particularly known as blue chip investments, and I seem to recall that depreciation isn't vendor specific.
I would say these first 980Ti will be reference, with AIB stickers, as there announcement seems a little preemptive, while yes the MSRP as btarunr presented IDK. Sure later they will have vendors unleash cards, and users to be less tether, but what’s said by todays revelations let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
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#39
Basard
I'm hoping something similar and cheaper will be available when i finally retire the ROG 5870... Maybe AMD's new CPUs will be worth buying and I can finally retire the Phenom II as well :P... Otherwise I think I'll be getting a Skylake. I've been eyeballing the hell outta the Devils Canyon chip for a while now, lookin for some good mobos.....

I'm such a cheap bastard.... Never spent over 140 bucks on a CPU or 170 on a GPU. I think the most expensive (counting for inflation) component I've ever bought was a Creative Graphics Blaster rivaTNT card, back in the day, 150 smackers that cost me, lol...
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#40
AsRock
TPU addict
BasardI'm hoping something similar and cheaper will be available when i finally retire the ROG 5870... Maybe AMD's new CPUs will be worth buying and I can finally retire the Phenom II as well :p... Otherwise I think I'll be getting a Skylake. I've been eyeballing the hell outta the Devils Canyon chip for a while now, lookin for some good mobos.....

I'm such a cheap bastard.... Never spent over 140 bucks on a CPU or 170 on a GPU. I think the most expensive (counting for inflation) component I've ever bought was a Creative Graphics Blaster rivaTNT card, back in the day, 150 smackers that cost me, lol...
HA i remember having a TNT card and all so remember the cooler dropping off too lol
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#41
iO
Such a sweet card.
Let's hope the didn't cheap out with a noisy pump or squeaky coils or some other faux-pas they often did in the past...
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#42
Serpent of Darkness
CasecutterDon't they call that the "Bum's Rush"
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HumanSmoke1. How many actual/potential Titan X adopters would not have been aware that Nvidia would be doing just this? I'm guessing the percentage is the barest fraction above 0%.
This is probably in relation to Casecutter's reply: Eewh, with just 2.5-3 mo's since TitanX and Nvidia see's it apropos with 8% less in SMM, and relieve it of 50% of the cheap Hynix memory (was un-used no biggy), and they roll in with 35% off from the price! If $650 is the price, early adopters got more than slightly pilfered, even worse it was done with alacrity. The translation would be early Titan-X consumers got robbed or snatched by the "great" deal NVidia proposed to it's consumers. They (NVidia) knew that NVidia Consumers are suckers, and they did so knowing that they would launch a gimped version after Titan-X: A R9-290 version variant to their R9-290x version aka GTX Titan-X. GTX 980-TI is either under performing, equal, or better than GTX Titan-X for less than half the price.

In your own reply, by your own Aquarius Logic, you imply that their is probably a number between 0.00% to 1.00% adopters who aren't aware of the move NVidia has made. That's the rhetoric question you are asking in the quote up above to indirectly imply your points. The adopter's aren't aware they are victims of NVidia's sweet deal aka what Casecutter calls a "Bum Rush." In an indirect perspective or point that shares a relation to your point, and it is any individual could argue that they (adopters) are 99.0% to 100.0% suckers because they paid for NVidia's sweet deal of a 23% above GTX 980 in performance with a full GM200, no 64bit Floating Point Precision, and 12GBs Framebuffer--card. This line of thought would be true. If not, your first point made by you isn't true. It later begs the question why would you buy NVidia products only to be screwed by it in a shorter interval of time (2 to 3 months) and be ok with that?
64KIt would be a crappy world for gamers without AMD in it that's for sure so I respect your wanting to support them. I know there are people who would gladly see AMD fall but they have no idea what that would do to Nvidia's pricing and a lack of tech advancement as well because there would be little incentive for Nvidia to push forward.
+1.0

Thank you for being a voice of reasoning.

In general:

I will probably wait to see how the AMD R9-390x does on the 3rd party benches between that and it's competitors: GTX 980-Ti and GTX Titan. GTX Titan alone has been a sever disappointment, to me because it hasn't past my own expectations. Most likely, I will either wait or invest in 2 R9-390x with the 8 GBs Framebuffers.

Things I think AMD should work on for the future:
1. AMD should possibly work on their own variant to PhysX in the future.
2. Improve or revamp their CFx.
PatriotHaving owned both... I really don't know what side you are talking about.
That member is talking about AMD Graphic Cards. They are tempted to purchase their graphic cards, but are reminded of how poor their driver support is. In addition, this is a topic of discussion about the AMD R9-300 Graphic Card. More specifically, it's a vague post about the R9-390x.
awesomesaucePlease AMD, if it's really good, name the card ATI ^^ :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I think it was 15th Warlock or someone else stated in the "GTX 980-Ti spec leak" topic of discussion, it (GTX 980 Ti or R9-390x; I can't find the member's post) should be called the Cronos. The rational thought is probably that Cronos is the head of the Obsidian Order aka "The Titan" Faction. They are against the Pantheon, and Cronos was the head of the Titans after he dethroned his father, Uranus or Ouranos. This could imply that R9-390x is a "Titan Slayer," or GTX 980-Ti is the head Titan. Naming it ATI is just epic fails in my point of view. Calling it an ATI R9-390x is just fails.
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#43
net2007
question to someone more knowledgeable.. what is AMD's answer to and Nvidias vxgl
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#44
Aceman.au
Since the first 3 Nvidia (780's) cards I ever bought were basically bricks straight out the box and returned for a refund, I think I'll stick with AMD.
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#45
HumanSmoke
Serpent of DarknessIn your own reply, by your own Aquarius Logic, you imply that their* is probably a number between 0.00% to 1.00% adopters who aren't aware of the move NVidia has made.
Just an observation or two.
1. Aquarius Logic isn't a thing, so no need to capitalize. Aquarius (logic) is actually an enterprise simulator in software.
2. If you plan on coming across as erudite, probably best if you don't make basic grammatical errors straight off the bat. *You see what you did their there?
Serpent of DarknessThat's the rhetoric question you are asking in the quote up above to indirectly imply your points.
No. I am not asking a rhetorical question. A question of any description ends with this notation "?". What I stated, rather than implied, is that Titan X consumers would be well aware that Nvidia would launch a cheaper card with most, if not all, the performance of the Titan X. Unless you are of the opinion that people who spend $1000 per graphics card are somehow completely ignorant of recent history even if they cannot grasp the concept of understanding the business model that is geared towards maximizing amortization of the silicon. There is also ample proof (as I linked to earlier) that shows the concept of a cheaper 980Ti was generally accepted and commented upon even before the Titan X launched - as an example I posted both the name and possible price point back in January. It's hardly rocket science if you have even a passing interest in graphics.
For those that are completely ignorant of how history works, have little understanding of (nor seemingly the inclination to find out) how the graphics market works, and have $1K to toss at a single piece of hardware that will be rendered second-class kit within a year.....well, maybe they can commiserate with people who bought the last best things such as the Titan Z and 295X2 that were worth cents on the dollar mere months after launch.
Serpent of DarknessIn an indirect perspective or point that shares a relation to your point, and it is any individual could argue that they (adopters) are 99.0% to 100.0% suckers because they paid for NVidia's sweet deal of a 23% above GTX 980 in performance with a full GM200, no 64bit Floating Point Precision, and 12GBs Framebuffer--card. This line of thought would be true. If not, your first point made by you isn't true.
Getting past the utter senselessness of your grammar, by your reasoning, every person that pays a higher percentage of cost than the product delivers in performance against some (arbitrary) baseline is by definition a sucker....presumably including yourself,since you seemed perfectly fine with spending three times the amount of a 290X to gain twice the performance. People use different metrics aside from pure value for money when buying hardware - not least of which are that they can afford it, and they will put up with paying a premium for have the best hardware they can purchase. You could ask a dozen people what is an acceptable price to pay for a graphics card whose relative value and performance degrades as soon as the next best thing is on the shelves, and get answers ranging across the entire range of market segments
Serpent of DarknessIt later begs the question why would you buy NVidia products only to be screwed by it in a shorter interval of time (2 to 3 months) and be ok with that?
Because for those 2-3 months, these people have been benchmarking for fun and profit....2 to 3 months of enjoyment they wouldn't have had had they sat around like the vast majority of consumers waiting for better relative value. I would have thought this was obvious for someone who claims to have bought the Ares II and HD 7990?
net2007question to someone more knowledgeable.. what is AMD's answer to and Nvidias vxgl
The basic underpinning of VGXI is the partially resident texture (PRT) feature of DX12/11.3, although from my understanding the VGXI has performance enhancements to enable the feature with lower GPU workload (at least for Maxwell µarch graphics). Having said that, I think all GCN architecture graphics can take advantage of PRT.
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#46
Steevo
Just a thought.....


how do you spot a Nvidia fanboy? Look for any butthurt replies that may threaten their epeen or glorious leader that reek of used douche and failed masturbation.



I am looking forward to competition in the GPU marketplace at any level, it benefits everyone and prevents things like $1000 midrange cards, or generation old cards being ignored.
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#47
Fluffmeister
SteevoJust a thought.....


how do you spot a Nvidia fanboy? Look for any butthurt replies that may threaten their epeen or glorious leader that reek of used douche and failed masturbation.



I am looking forward to competition in the GPU marketplace at any level, it benefits everyone and prevents things like $1000 midrange cards, or generation old cards being ignored.
It's been painful time for you guys recently, no doubt about it.

Let's hope AMD deliver, hell I may even go AMD if it's super special.

It will be fun to play the victim for a change.
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#48
Steevo
FluffmeisterIt's been painful time for you guys recently, no doubt about it.

Let's hope AMD deliver, hell I may even go AMD if it's super special.

It will be fun to play the victim for a change.
Touche' sir.

I promise to split the victimization with you if we get to alternate weeks, and holidays. you pay for dental and I will cover daycare.
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#49
HumanSmoke
Steevothat reek of used douche and failed masturbation.
If you ever get the concoction to market, you could try a play on your name, maybe " Steev eau de toilette".
I wish you every success in your endeavour.
FluffmeisterLet's hope AMD deliver, hell I may even go AMD if it's super special.
I think everyone needs AMD to make a big splash with Fiji, although personally I'm eyeing up Arctic Islands or Pascal as my next major graphics update. The games at the moment don't seem to warrant the outlay of big cash, and DX12 gaming, as well as decent well featured monitors aren't quite here yet.
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#50
Prima.Vera
Is quite easy and logical actually. AMD needs to beat up the Titan X both in performance and price. It will be no surprise if this card will be faster than the 980Ti, the actual surprise will be if the 390X will be cheaper than the 980Ti! But all the info on the internets point that the 390X will be both faster and much more expensive than the 980Ti. Either way the suckers who bought TitanX should feel very stupid right now.
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