Thursday, July 28th 2016

AMD Radeon RX 470 and RX 460 Official Specifications Leaked

The official specifications of two the two upcoming mainstream graphics cards by AMD, the Radeon RX 470, and the Radeon RX 460, were leaked to the web as slides from the company's official press presentation ahead of their early-August product launches. The RX 470 is based on the same "Ellesmere" Polaris10 silicon as the RX 480. It features 2,048 stream processors across 32 GCN compute units; 128 TMUs, 32 ROPs, and 4 GB of memory across a 256-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface.

The RX 470 features clock speeds of 926 MHz core, 1206 MHz boost, and 6.6 Gbps memory, working out to 211 GB/s memory bandwidth. The RX 460, on the other hand, is based on the "Baffin" Polaris11 silicon, featuring 896 stream processors, 48 TMUs, 16 ROPs, and 4 GB of memory across a 128-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface. Its core is clocked at 1090 MHz, with 1200 MHz boost, and 7 Gbps memory, working out to 112 GB/s memory bandwidth. The RX 470 draws power from a single 6-pin PCIe power connector as its TDP is rated at 120W; the RX 460 relies entirely on the PCIe slot for its power, as its TDP is rated at <75W. The RX 470 will be available from 4th August, 2016; with the RX 460 following on 8th August.
Source: VideoCardz
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55 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 470 and RX 460 Official Specifications Leaked

#26
ArdWar
ZoneDymoDo they call 1280x720 HD gaming or something or what?
Yes. While there's no standard for gaming, by TV stadard 720p is HD. 1080p is Full HD. :D
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#27
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
jabbadapHmm does W1zzard have R9-380x, would be interesting to see clock to clock comparison with RX 470(shader count is the same).
Good question. I think he only reviewed 2 of them, abstaining from the best one, the Sapphire. It would indeed be good to see if this ends up being an upgrade. We already know the RX-480 is.
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#29
GoldenX
Well, the 460 is 2x-3x my current card, good enough for my 1440x900.
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#30
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Why is the RX460 getting so much flack? That is going to be the midrange gaming card stuffed into tons of OEM's. It is aimed to take the "e-sports" position so 1080P at medium settings with >60FPS.
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#31
Casecutter
ZoneDymowhy is it being compared with the 270 and 260 and not the 370 and 360?
deu270 is better than 370; thats why.
R9 270
TMUs:
80
ROPs: 32
Compute Units: 20

R7 370
TMUs:
64
ROPs: 32
Compute Units: 16
Even with the higher Boost the R7 370 received, the 270 is to me the better one to compare to. The R7 370 (Trinidad PRO) must of had some production "mojo" as they up the clocks, all while reducing the TDP from the R9 270's 150W to 110W.
WernerHerzogCurrently looking for a replacement for my GTX750ti
While I'd believe the 460 will be faster I don't see it as the offering enough rungs up the ladder to see huge seat of the pants difference. Cards like nicer 750Ti/260X where "entry" 1080p, I'd say a 460 will end up generally sparing with the GTX 950. If the 950 was enough of a bump to justify the move a couple of months back you would've, this isn't really effecting that any differently, even now with prices dropping huge on those. A 470 will work more up to what Uber 960's / 380 offered. I see that as providing a good 4-5 rungs up, a prodigious jump into 1080p. If you're hoping to hold out with some low-Watt OEM PSU, don't just go find a nicer 80+ that's ~400W and stop the insanity.
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#32
Dimi
Those Doom & GTA V benchmarks are complete BS. Unless they are running those games at 640x480 coupled with a high end cpu.

People seem to forget that these new polaris cards require high end cpu's to score such high numbers in Doom using the Vulkan API.

According to the Steam hardware survey of last month, 47% still uses an intel dual core cpu and barely over 3% has a cpu clocked higher than 3.7 ghz.

I've posted this screenshot before but people can't overlook this.

There's 4 FPS difference between all 3 cpu's with the 1060 and there's 50!!!! fps difference with the RX 480.

The 460 and 470 are budget gpu's and they will most likely be paired with older or budget cpu's.


i.imgur.com/Pg4xTmn.png
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#33
Captain_Tom
DimiThose Doom & GTA V benchmarks are complete BS. Unless they are running those games at 640x480 coupled with a high end cpu.

People seem to forget that these new polaris cards require high end cpu's to score such high numbers in Doom using the Vulkan API.

According to the Steam hardware survey of last month, 47% still uses an intel dual core cpu and barely over 3% has a cpu clocked higher than 3.7 ghz.

I've posted this screenshot before but people can't overlook this.

There's 4 FPS difference between all 3 cpu's with the 1060 and there's 50!!!! fps difference with the RX 480.

The 460 and 470 are budget gpu's and they will most likely be paired with older or budget cpu's.


i.imgur.com/Pg4xTmn.png
You're right Nvidia GPU's are great for those with Peasant systems :D
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#34
Alduin
Dj-ElectriCEfficiency wise Polaris is at maxwell level
In that case, RX 460 is expected to be about as fast as a GTX 750 Ti

So, how revolutionary 99$ for a product like that would be, if the GTX 750 Ti is already being sold for 99$?
Don't mistake
Rx 460 is based on polaris 11 which is more power efficient than polaris 10
And performance of 460 is clearly faster than gtx 750 ti
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#35
ShurikN
Radeon lordDon't mistake
Rx 460 is based on polaris 11 which is more power efficient than polaris 10
And perfomance of 460 is clearly faster than gtx 750 ti
TBH, we wont know that until the tests.
When the RX480 was announced at 150W, a lot of ppl assumed (myself included) it will actually be at 110-120W during gaming load. And we all know how that turned out.
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#36
Captain_Tom
ShurikNTBH, we wont know that until the tests.
The 260X and 750 Ti were neck and neck in performance, so this thing will likely be 30% and use 40-60w.
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#37
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
I don't think it is more power efficient. It's just a smaller chip so it uses less power. Kind of like a 13.0L I-6 diesel engine can be expected to consume a lot more fuel than a 2.0L I-4 at the same RPM.
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#38
Captain_Tom
FordGT90ConceptI don't think it is more power efficient. It's just a smaller chip so it uses less power. Kind of like a 13.0L I-6 diesel engine can be expected to consume a lot more fuel than a 2.0L I-4 at the same RPM.
No the rumor is in fact that the 470 is more efficient than the 480, and the 460 is more efficient than the 470.

The 470 uses 70% as much energy for 85% the performance of the 480. This is because the 14nm process is still maturing and so bigger dies are not getting efficient yields yet.
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#39
arbiter
DimiThose Doom & GTA V benchmarks are complete BS. Unless they are running those games at 640x480 coupled with a high end cpu.

People seem to forget that these new polaris cards require high end cpu's to score such high numbers in Doom using the Vulkan API.

According to the Steam hardware survey of last month, 47% still uses an intel dual core cpu and barely over 3% has a cpu clocked higher than 3.7 ghz.

I've posted this screenshot before but people can't overlook this.

There's 4 FPS difference between all 3 cpu's with the 1060 and there's 50!!!! fps difference with the RX 480.

The 460 and 470 are budget gpu's and they will most likely be paired with older or budget cpu's.


i.imgur.com/Pg4xTmn.png
Yea that is not a good trend needing power of higher end intel for 480 to take the lead. Even ignoring the fact that vulkan was original Mantle and they had least 2 year head start optimizing their hardware/software for it.

Hopefully some other sites will see that and investigate this to add more validation to this if its true or not.
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#40
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Captain_TomNo the rumor is in fact that the 470 is more efficient than the 480, and the 460 is more efficient than the 470.

The 470 uses 70% as much energy for 85% the performance of the 480. This is because the 14nm process is still maturing and so bigger dies are not getting efficient yields yet.
But you have to bare in mind that 480 was pegged to 150w. The 470 and 460 aren't going to try to hard to stay below a power threshold. They'll be significantly below it.
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#41
dyonoctis
DimiThose Doom & GTA V benchmarks are complete BS. Unless they are running those games at 640x480 coupled with a high end cpu.

People seem to forget that these new polaris cards require high end cpu's to score such high numbers in Doom using the Vulkan API.

According to the Steam hardware survey of last month, 47% still uses an intel dual core cpu and barely over 3% has a cpu clocked higher than 3.7 ghz.

I've posted this screenshot before but people can't overlook this.

There's 4 FPS difference between all 3 cpu's with the 1060 and there's 50!!!! fps difference with the RX 480.

The 460 and 470 are budget gpu's and they will most likely be paired with older or budget cpu's.


i.imgur.com/Pg4xTmn.png
I think that the Doom test was made with vulkan enabled. I only have a core i5 4440 @3.1GHZ and my R9 270x went from 30 fps with open gl to 50 with vulkan. But apparently AMD always had more trouble than nvidia when it comes to dealing with weak CPU. (And the fact that all the cpu review are made with nvidia gpu doesn't help to get more data on that).



The good old QX6850 can do well in some recent games, but again, they only used Nvidia card.
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#42
dyonoctis
I've tried to launch doom with only 2 core active, but it's always crashing, so I can't tell if a modern core i3/pentium will get bad performance with Doom+vulkan.
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#43
Sempron Guy
the 460 will be a perfect replacement for my century old HD5750 XD. I can probably play nba 2k15 on max out settings at 1080p now plus a bunch of old RTS games. :)
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#44
arbiter
dyonoctisI think that the Doom test was made with vulkan enabled. I only have a core i5 4440 @3.1GHZ and my R9 270x went from 30 fps with open gl to 50 with vulkan. But apparently AMD always had more trouble than nvidia when it comes to dealing with weak CPU. (And the fact that all the cpu review are made with nvidia gpu doesn't help to get more data on that).
It was talked about some time ago that nvidia drivers seem to be less cpu taxing compared to amd, probably reason why DX11 games were so much more efficient on nvidia cards.
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#45
GoldenX
Nvidia spent a lot of money on reducing CPU overhead in their OpenGL and DirectX11 drivers, it must be that. Aaand, their architecture is optimized for those APIs instead of Vulkan and DX12. Similar to how GCN cards are worse by comparision than Terascale ones (HD2000-HD6000) on DirectX 9.
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#46
dyonoctis
I've seen a video of someone running doom with a core i3 and a radeon R9 380x with vulkan, the performance was close to what you can get with a Intel Core i7-5930K. So i'm guessing only ppl with a cpu weaker than a sandy bridge i3 will get lower performance.

But to be honest, if you are going for a gpu aimed at 1080p high/ultra setting there is a small problem if you still have a 2009 cpu (and dual core at that). A recent core i3 can even outperform a 1st gen core i5 in other task than gaming. And some games won't even start if you don't have a at least 4 virtual core. A core i3 and a entry level motherboard only cost 150$.
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#47
GoldenX
It costs that on first world countries. But yeah, a Skylake i3/Pentium is WAY better than my quad core Phenom II.
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#48
Keullo-e
S.T.A.R.S.
dyonoctisI've tried to launch doom with only 2 core active, but it's always crashing, so I can't tell if a modern core i3/pentium will get bad performance with Doom+vulkan.
At least it ran fine with Pentium G3258 @ 4.5GHz + R9 290 @ 1100MHz at ultra settings. :)
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#49
Prima.Vera
P4-630GTA V 74fps? What resolution and what settings....
800x600 High Settings.

Those cards are slapping 3dFX's VooDoo3 in the face!
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#50
Captain_Tom
Prima.Vera800x600 High Settings.

Those cards are slapping 3dFX's VooDoo3 in the face!
I don't get why anyone is questioning the resolution: it is obviously 1080p! They wouldn't use any other resolution but the standard to compare things.
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