Tuesday, December 27th 2016

Motherboard Vendors Optimistic about High Price-Performance Ratio of AMD Ryzen

AMD Ryzen, the high performance processor based on the company's "Zen" micro-architecture, will increase the company's market-share of the desktop CPU market in Q2-2017, according to sources from motherboard manufacturers, in a report by Taiwan-based industry observer DigiTimes. The report states that motherboard manufacturers are "optimistic about [Ryzen's] high price/performance ratio," prompting them to ramp up orders of motherboards for the new platform, from their suppliers.

According to the report, the new platform built around the AMD Ryzen processor will be officially released by the end of February 2017, and will enter global mass-shipments in March. It will help increase AMD's desktop processor market share in the following quarter. The sources point out that motherboard vendors are sourcing high-end X370, mid-range B350, and entry-level A320 chipsets from AMD, and their new product designs are now in the final stage of related testing. The B350 and A320 chipsets are already launched, to support the 7th generation A-Series "Bristol Ridge" APUs.
Source: DigiTimes
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55 Comments on Motherboard Vendors Optimistic about High Price-Performance Ratio of AMD Ryzen

#1
Mistral
Was there any official word on compatibility with current aftermarket coolers?
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#2
TheLaughingMan
Mistral, post: 3576507, member: 49446"
Was there any official word on compatibility with current aftermarket coolers?
Rumor mill stated that the spacing for the holes is exactly the same so all current coolers that work with AM3 socket will work with AM4.
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#3
ensabrenoir
.........think everybody will be happy to build something new from Amd. Its like you finally ran out of turkey after Thanks Giving(Amd's last launch) so no more turkey based left overs..... bring on the Beef!!!!!!
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#4
RejZoR
Keeping the cooler attachment format would make sense, so users can re-use their coolers, saving few bucks. Users saving few bucks = happy users.
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#5
springs113
I read somewhere that the current coolers are incompatible.
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#6
Assimilator
I certainly hope the pictured motherboard isn't an X370, because a VGA connector, single front USB 3.0, and non-right-angled SATA ports are certainly not high-end.
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#7
TheLostSwede
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I certainly hope the pictured motherboard isn't an X370, because a VGA connector, single front USB 3.0, and non-right-angled SATA ports are certainly not high-end.
Judging by the chipset heatsink, it's an MSI board.

Saw a picture on Facebook of the PCB of a Gigabyte board without components that sadly looked very similar in terms of features...
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#8
ixi
Somehow I dont care. If you can buy new mobo + cpu then you can afford new cooler.

But then again if its not compatible then vendors will have to make them and start giving before launch or selling.

In the end. Meeh.
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#9
the54thvoid
Can't believe it's looking like March until retail availability. If Vega isn't released then as well, if not earlier, I don't think that will work well for AMD.

Gives far too long for Nvidia and Intel to price position. Good for us, bad for AMD. Not that I've seen Intel adjust prices to suit competition.
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#10
uuuaaaaaa
Mistral, post: 3576507, member: 49446"
Was there any official word on compatibility with current aftermarket coolers?
According to recent news/rumors It most likely won't be compatible.
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#11
Nosada
ixi, post: 3576569, member: 151815"
If you can buy new mobo + cpu then you can afford new cooler.
Some people have fairly expensive cooling set-ups, not having to spend that money again = bigger budget for higher end CPU = more money in AMD's pocket instead of some after market cooler company.
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#12
sunweb
uuuaaaaaa, post: 3576584, member: 98273"
According to recent news/rumors It most likely won't be compatible.
Where did you get this from? The only piece of news i've seen on this subject is a confirmation that indeed AM2/AM3 coolers are compatible with AM4 boards.
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#14
Xzibit
the54thvoid, post: 3576578, member: 79251"
Can't believe it's looking like March until retail availability. If Vega isn't released then as well, if not earlier, I don't think that will work well for AMD.

Gives far too long for Nvidia and Intel to price position. Good for us, bad for AMD. Not that I've seen Intel adjust prices to suit competition.
As of now I don't expect the lower variants to be released along side given we haven't heard anything about them. If nothing comes out of CES 2017 about the lower core ones I think they'll be released later on in Q2.
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#15
pidgin
PFFFF, march. They need a whole new lineup of vega GPUs at CES and release in january, otherwise AMD stock will plummet. Probably a good time to short tho.
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#16
the54thvoid
Xzibit, post: 3576594, member: 105152"
As of now I don't expect the lower variants to be released along side given we haven't heard anything about them. If nothing comes out of CES 2017 about the lower core ones I think they'll be released later on in Q2.
Crazy Vega thought. AMD know NV have a GP102 card in the wings. Maybe Radeon Group are intentionally holding back to see its performance. It would be wise for AMD/RTG to fine tune post 1080ti, unless of course, Nvidia are doing the same with Vega.

Or is it simply because HBM2 is not yet at production volume?
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#17
noname00
For me it's a dissapointment but not a surprise that Ryzen won't be available until March. Releasing it on January 4th (according to rumors) did not make any sense. Knowing how AMD usually pushes back release dates, I don't think we will be able to buy a Zen in Q1 2017. Maybe the motherboard.
Come on, benchmarks!
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#18
john_
uuuaaaaaa, post: 3576590, member: 98273"
Different hole spacing:

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_s_am4_socket_will_not_be_compatible_with_old_cpu_coolers/1
That explains why some say the coolers are compatible and some that coolers are not. I am not sure about the difference of height, but the length I don't think would be a problem. I believe most coolers have enough free area around the socket to not have a problem with 3mm less from each side, also I bet some Chinese manufacturer can create "compatibility" brackets, with the middle plastic knobs, where the cooler locks, a little longer in length.

the54thvoid, post: 3576601, member: 79251"
Crazy Vega thought. AMD know NV have a GP102 card in the wings. Maybe Radeon Group are intentionally holding back to see its performance. It would be wise for AMD/RTG to fine tune post 1080ti, unless of course, Nvidia are doing the same with Vega.

Or is it simply because HBM2 is not yet at production volume?
Not a good idea waiting. Considering that Pascal is just Maxwell on 16nm, Volta can be something really different and much stronger. Nvidia could have started development on Volta at the same time they where just shrinking maxwell to create Pascal. That gives them plenty of time to create something really new and powerful. If AMD waits they could get hit by high Volta(z).
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#19
iO
Hopefully we will get some high end SFF boards this time...
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#20
avenger001
the emperor does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation
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#21
mouacyk
Did anyone have a knee-jerk reaction at reading "high price/performance"? The optimistic position for Zen should be high performance/price or low price/performance. Vendors are optimistic about high price/performance? Basic ratio math fail here.
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#22
Ungari
the54thvoid, post: 3576578, member: 79251"
Can't believe it's looking like March until retail availability. If Vega isn't released then as well, if not earlier, I don't think that will work well for AMD.

Gives far too long for Nvidia and Intel to price position. Good for us, bad for AMD. Not that I've seen Intel adjust prices to suit competition.
Very few consumers are enthusiasts.
If you were to poll Steam, EA, Origin users, the vast majority don't even know what Ryzen or Vega is.
It won't be until they notice the price difference that they will even pay attention to these products, and even then half of them will buy Intel and Nvidia because of name recognition.
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#23
phanbuey
Ungari, post: 3576664, member: 165475"
Very few consumers are enthusiasts.
If you were to poll Steam, EA, Origin users, the vast majority don't even know what Ryzen or Vega is.
It won't be until they notice the price difference that they will even pay attention to these products, and even then half of them will buy Intel and Nvidia because of name recognition.
While true, that doesn't really change the fact that waiting to release a product another 3 months will hurt them.
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#24
TheLaughingMan
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I certainly hope the pictured motherboard isn't an X370, because a VGA connector, single front USB 3.0, and non-right-angled SATA ports are certainly not high-end.
Its that same rendered image they have been using as an example including the virtual reality build thing at their Press event. I would just ignore what someone did in 20 minutes.
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#25
prtskg
phanbuey, post: 3576666, member: 45008"
While true, that doesn't really change the fact that waiting to release a product another 3 months will hurt them.
Sure. But if early release means unsatisfactory products (bugs), I'd prefer to wait a while.
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