TheGuruStudIsn't this illegal?

You pay for this pos OS and are to receive updates as long as m$ supports the OS. They're defrauding customers. There's no technical reason.

I bet it doesn't say this if I install windows 8 on a pentium 1 (assuming I had enough ram).

This is wild buffoonery and sets this thread off on the wrong track. Reasons:
1) "You pay for this pos OS". If I believed Windows was a pos, I wouldn't buy it and use an alternative. This is buffonery.
2) "are to receive updates as long as m$ supports the OS" Read the TOS/License Agreement. MS has no obligation to distribute or provide updates for a retail or OEM version of Windows. A security patch doesn't exist until it is created. If such language was in the agreement you would have a limited right to something that doesn't exist or no quantity is known.
3) "they're defrauding customers". Source? Fraud is a legal term.
4) "there's no technical reason" Source?

Also, if you read your Windows 7 or 8 retail agreement you will also see MS has the right to modify the terms at any time. You agree to this by using the product. People have to be reasonable in their arguments. MS is greedy. MS is constantly finding ways to be annoying. MS screws up Windows updates. MS created Zune. MS spies on you under default settings in all versions of Windows. MS really spies on you on default settings in W10. MS is using a primary file system that is 24 years old. With all that, is it the most universally accepted productive OS available? Yes. When you get bogged down in silly arguments you undermine the valid reasons to hold MS feet to fire for the sake of improvement.

TheOneCan you smell the desperation?

Not surprising since Win10's numbers have slowly been decreasing lately, Ryzen should have boosted them, but with the reports that it is faster in Win7 it may have lead people away.

Personally, I think this is the best comment on this story that I have seen. It is FASTER on Win 7. Why? Because M$ has been in the practice of releasing successively slower OSs over time. I have a dual core Opteron running Win XP x64 that boots faster than a 6-core Xeon 1650v2 on both Win 7 and Win 10.

etayoriusWin7 x64 is more than enough for me, i own no DX12 game in my list and Doom Multiplayer who i been playing obsessively supports Vulkan, which works on Win7. So no, i don't see myself using Win10 unless Bethesda (Or Rockstar) starts using DX12 and dumps everything else.... oh wait, Bethesda announced they will start using Vulkan in their next projects.

And thats because Bethesda often used OpenGL before and Vulkan is replacing OpenGL - Which is why Doom had Vulkan patch, but ran OpenGL on release. There will be loads of DX12 titles coming out. It will be the default game API like DX11 is now, it's only a matter of time. People will be forced to go Win 10 over time unless they hang on to old hardware and games.

suffice to say, M$ simply want to push all of their user to one big, nice, neat boxes of consumer in Windows 10 ecosystem
where M$ want to unload ads, steam-like apps, with untold amount of dollars revenue potentials
thats was the plan, but a hiccup happened with ryzen apparently defying M$ commandment, which windows 7 was forbidden for KL/Ryzen CPU
so M$ now need to 'fix' their master plan in order to hasten their vision !

ShihabyoooUntil they bundle one of those security rollups with special update to the Update Agent making this platform check local. MS has shown to have little against including non-security "modifications" with security updates. Or eve simpler make all new MSU packages work that way.

It's becoming more and mroe difficult to trust MS when it comes to updates.

I use The MS Defcon system By Ask Woody.com 4 all updates

Well, as someone who get to use Unix from time to time, I am just glad Windows exists.

eidairaman1 I use The MS Defcon system By Ask Woody.com 4 all updates

You and all of those who google their KBs before applying. I'm starting to wonder if anyone but that guy checks everything that comes out of Wupdate!

Still, I doubt that that would help, thanks to the "convenience" of update rollups.

ShihabyoooYou and all of those who google their KBs before applying. I'm starting to wonder if anyone but that guy checks everything that comes out of Wupdate!

Still, I doubt that that would help, thanks to the "convenience" of update rollups.

Yeah i dont use those, thats why im building my toolkit.

eidairaman1Yeah i dont use those, thats why im building my toolkit.

Interesting! Care to expand?

That's just desperate. Not the kind of company I want for my OS.

How is it that those who claim to hate Microsoft's OS support and update policies, insist on using Windows 7 after support has officially ended? I costs money to update obsolete software, are you willing to pay for it? Windows 10 is a good OS, and it's "spyware" elements are easily avoided, if you take the time to learn instead of spending all your time writing online rants. Also, lack of online privacy is a fact of life, in case you haven't noticed, so don't do anything illegal and you won't have anything to worry about.

ShihabyoooInteresting! Care to expand?

Just the updates that I fine combed on a usb drive with a batch script. A starters kit for 7 32bit users, i add additional updates when need be. Im now working on my 7 64 kit, aka new os install kits.

Im considered category b, updates without telemetry

@Hood, there are firms that still use NT3.5/4.0 2000, Win 7, they just enter a contract with them to continue updates.

seems i had to post again my usual reply to M$ ..:

Vayra86The reasons do matter.

You paid for a Windows VERSION number with a LIMITED support period of which in the case of 7, that support ended two years ago. It's really that simple.

Also, your phone app analogy is extremely flawed. There are TONS OF APPS that do not work unless you update your Android OS. And many, MANY phones don't get Android OS updates, hell this is one of the primary criticisms Android has always siuffered from, and one of the main reasons my phone is a Nexus 5 which gets stock Android directly from Google itself.

That is also why I said that Microsoft's lifecycle policy is one of the best in the business. And it really is, only MacOSX comes close to it. And when you look at W7 enterprise and embedded, it is truly unsurpassed. The only other OS in the world with a longer lfecycle is Linux, which is community driven for the most part.

Last, no need to get all touchy and personal at all....


Full support VS Extended (security only)
Windows XP 14 april 2009 8 april 2014
Windows Vista 10 april 2012 11 april 2017
Windows 7* 13 januari 2015 14 januari 2020
Windows 8 9 januari 2018 10 januari 2023

Now, we could have a debate on dropping the support for 8, but when it comes to 'is this illegal'.... I strongly doubt you'll get Microsoft convicted because of all the reasons I posted earlier.

Microsoft is using their monopoly on the desktop OS market to push their new product that users don't want. They got sued once for that. They should get sued again for this windows 10 shit.

TheGuruStudYou didn't negate anything. You're just a m$ apologist.

The reason doesn't matter. You paid for it meaning you can use on the hardware you want. We should start killing phone apps if you don't buy a new phone to run them on.

Yeah right dude. :D I see it is easier to attack, eh? So, do not buy a Ryzen or Kabylake based CPU then if you want to run Windows 7 or 8.1, perceived problem solved. Heck, I have not read the article yet and I bet you it is really much to do about nothing and all about FUD.

Oh, I also noticed that there is no news story about how Windows 7 updates are now working extremely fast. In fact, they are faster than I have ever seen them before but, I guess that does not paint MS in a negative light now, does it?

lets see

1. this is pretty much targeted at windows 7 and its 48% market share... windows 8.1's 6% share is tiny already and the amount who use ryzen on it has to be even tinier. So I'd expect this to be a way to try and get people to move off of 7, trouble is enthusiasts aren't really the bread and butter of the 48% and few others are going to care they buy computers fully loaded software and all, not processor/mobo/memory upgrades.

2. Microsoft is up +40.71% since windows 10 was released. I get some enthusiast here don't like it, but stock holders do and the adoption rate is quite high in consumers as well.

3. Microsoft has always considered the motherboard the machine. If you changed motherboards and used the same license you're to blame when it's not supported, not the other way around. If you purchased a new windows 8.1 one for just ryzen then it's microsoft's fault because yes that OS is still fully supported. Just remember you're in the extreme minority, not that being in the minority makes it right to mistreat you, just something to keep in mind.
If you purchased a "security only" updates OS for a brand new hardware configuration well then you need to go check out some Sam Elliot memes online.

ManofGodYeah right dude. :D I see it is easier to attack, eh? So, do not buy a Ryzen or Kabylake based CPU then if you want to run Windows 7 or 8.1, perceived problem solved. Heck, I have not read the article yet and I bet you it is really much to do about nothing and all about FUD.

ManofGodOh, I also noticed that there is no news story about how Windows 7 updates are now working extremely fast. In fact, they are faster than I have ever seen them before but, I guess that does not paint MS in a negative light now, does it?

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TheGuruStudBoy, you just ignored the point, again (as if I said anything about android or software updates when what I meant was hardware). You keep saying win 7 as if you have a point. You don't. Why does joe schmo with his 10 yr old dual core get updates, but I don't? You can't legitimately answer that, so you go off on tangents and say "support is ending soon."

Do us a favor and stop defending these assholes, mmkay?

Joe Schmo gets updates because there are millions of machines with 10-year old dual core CPUs already running Windows 7. Nobody likes systems being bricked, so Microsoft has an obligation to continue that support for those CPUs.

Quite different is spending money to introduce new features to Win7 so that new hardware architectures work on old OS software. Validation costs a lot of money and that money has already been spent on Windows 10.

I hope that makes sense.

That there is some plain old BS. Can't wait until they add Skylake to the list. :rolleyes:

Windows 10 runs butter smooth... why are people so stubborn to stick with an ancient OS?

krukThis really isn't important for those who purchased a retail version of Windows 7. They are ending support 3 years prematurely for the customers who bought/will buy Ryzen/Kaby Lake. It's none of their business on what type of CPU I install my retail Windows 7 copy. It's also none of their business why I didn't upgrade to Windows 10. End of story.

Bollocks. Windows 7's mainstream support did end on 01/13/2015. Therefore MS doesn't have to provide the necessary code, drivers or whatever is needed to run Ryzen on Windows 7. Microsoft has never lied to you, let alone betrayed its users in this regard. No, people are simply in denial, when in fact MS informs users years in advance.
Windows 8.1 is a different story though. Its mainstream support lasts until 01/09/2018.

yogurt_21lets see

2. Microsoft is up +40.71% since windows 10 was released. I get some enthusiast here don't like it, but stock holders do and the adoption rate is quite high in consumers as well.

But isn't MS having its growth elsewhere, and not on OS sales? Nadela is overall taking the company to good places, but "Windows" is just one piece of a very large company.

This thread...
I loved the guy who said it does not matter which CPU runs the system. Yes. Yes it does.
You all should chill down for a moment.

EasoThis thread...
I loved the guy who said it does not matter which CPU runs the system. Yes. Yes it does.
You all should chill down for a moment.

From the perspective of simply issuing security updates? No, not really.