Tuesday, December 5th 2017
AMD Officially but Silently Downgrades Radeon RX 560 with an 896 SP Variant
The phenomenon of Radeon RX 560 graphics cards with 896 stream processors is more widespread than earlier thought. It looks like RX 560 cards with 896 stream processors will be more widely available than the previously thought Greater China region; with AMD silently editing the specifications of the SKU to have either 896 or 1,024 stream processors, as opposed to the 1,024 it originally launched with. There are no clear labeling guidelines or SKU names to distinguish cards with 896 stream processors from those with 1,024.
The Radeon RX 560 and the previous-generation RX 460 are based on the 14 nm "Polaris 11" silicon, which physically features 16 GCN compute units (CUs), each packed with 64 stream processors. The RX 560 originally maxed this silicon out, with all 16 CUs being enabled, while the RX 460 has two CUs locked. The decision to change specs of the RX 560 effectively makes it a re-brand of the RX 460, which is slower, and provides fertile grounds for bait-and-switch lawsuits.
Source:
Heise.de
The Radeon RX 560 and the previous-generation RX 460 are based on the 14 nm "Polaris 11" silicon, which physically features 16 GCN compute units (CUs), each packed with 64 stream processors. The RX 560 originally maxed this silicon out, with all 16 CUs being enabled, while the RX 460 has two CUs locked. The decision to change specs of the RX 560 effectively makes it a re-brand of the RX 460, which is slower, and provides fertile grounds for bait-and-switch lawsuits.
129 Comments on AMD Officially but Silently Downgrades Radeon RX 560 with an 896 SP Variant
is OC'd to 1196 Boost when the base clock for real 560 is 1175 and 1275 boost
i see msi fooled everyone but me, and HIS and everyone else lol
Pay more attention to what is being discussed before you start calling me a 'noob' because off to the ignore list you'll go.
"virtually no manufacturer made a 560D"
Here's an Amazon search for your mythic 560D:
www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=RX+560D&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3ARX+560D&tag=tec06d-20
Here's one for 560. Can you tell me which ones have 896 shaders and which ones have 1024? If not, then blame AMD who is shipping these different cuts of chips to the manufacturers, all as "560"
www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=RX+560&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3ARX+560&tag=tec06d-20
At least ASUS does show how many shaders the card has so u know what to look for, MSI being shady doesnt say anything about sp's on their web.
ASUS RX560 1024 sp
ASUS RX560 "EVO" 896 sp
EDIT: Also considering how easy is to return a card if not the desired one, is just silly how much complaining is going on here
But, where does ASUS discern the SPs? I don't see it on the box... You have to dig down to the specs on the webpage, no?
EDIT: Yeah, also a good point, I mean, good thing we can return it when we get ripped off by AMD and its AIBs for whatever reason we are getting ripped off. (that was sarcastic, btw). The point isn't about the ability to easily return (awwwww shucks, they got me, derp), but the fact that there is misleading information out there.
Anyway, if it really was a mistake, why hasn't AMD come out and said hey, MSI/ASUS/Whomever, its a 560D... please update? These cards have been out for a few months... its not like they are new and this is the first time they are seeing it. Clearly it looks bad as is, so I really do not understand why a statement hasn't been made, at least to AIBs, and the offending misinformation updated over these lasts months.
EDIT : Weird how we are concerned about the people who aren't tech savvy when these things don't affect us at all. :)
Newegg - It doesn't have it in the title/name, but the SP count is listed as a feature like it does on most(all?) other cards AMD/NVIDIA.
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126222&cm_re=asus_560-_-14-126-222-_-Product
Amazon - It doesn't mention it all all
www.amazon.com/dp/B07661CXT2/?tag=tec06d-20
ASUS website - Not at the asus website either (not in the name as you said, but in the specs)
www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/ROG-STRIX-RX560-O4G-EVO-GAMING/
www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/RX560-O4G-EVO/
Ill bite.. where do you see it named that?
EDIT: Is it possible the database at TPU is wrong calling 560 Aero a 896 SP card? it has the clocks of the full version...
EDIt2: Another consideration is, do you see the SP/CUDA cores listed in MSI's other cards? I didn't check, but a random GTX 1080 and it doesn't have it either... so... conspiracy or normal? Is the database correct? Or is it right?? These two show 1024 for example...
www.game-debate.com/hardware/index.php?gid=3980&graphics=Radeon RX 560 MSI Aero ITX OC 4GB
techreport.com/news/31944/msi-debuts-slot-powered-radeon-rx-560-aero-itx-oc-cards
So... db here wrong somehow (doubtful as its a GPU-z dump, right?)? Are they really "shady" if they don't show the SP/CUDA count on their other cards either? Just something to think about.
@T4C Fantasy Fooled you? Doesn't your DB get added by GPUz submissions??? So, wasn't the data in the dump?
The card was listed as having 4GB GDDR5 everywhere , including on Nvidia's website (it still is funnily enough). So both of them were at fault , much more so Nvidia since they completely obscured that aspect of it's specifications.
But just as always we look at things superficially.
and i knew these 560s and 560D and since that amazon the clock speed 1196 is 560D
i didn't need gpuz dumps in other words
I believe the 1196 clocks are regular 560 while the d is lower at 1106? Cant go by clocks though.
with these skus you can go by clocks
www.msi.com/Graphics-card/Radeon-RX-560-AERO-ITX-4G-OC.html <--560D
its not wrong
I honestly don't know what to believe. There are exceptions to what you are saying in this list...
videocardz.net/gigabyte-radeon-rx-560-4gb-oc/
The giga card and asus 560 both run at "560D" speeds, but arent 560Ds(right?).
Is there a card in that list with the clocks you state show 56/14 setup?
EDIT: This Sapphire boosts to 1226, not 1275... while the 560 boosts higher to 1300 Mhz
www.sapphiretech.com/productdetial.asp?pid=3ECEAD87-2972-477A-A3BE-480194D9FD6E&lang=eng
videocardz is wrong, i laughed at it it says BOOST clock 1275
BOOST clock for 560 is 1275 DEFAULT
Radeon RX 560 AERO ITX 4G OC
- Boost Clock / Memory Frequency
that gigabyte is base clock OCs still 1275 boost :p1196 MHz / 7000 MHz
use tpu db if you want accuracy
www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2990/radeon-rx-560d
www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2940/radeon-rx-560