Argh...we don't need another GTX1060...

ummmm......ok then.

Meanwhile, on the rest of the planet Earth people are waiting on Nvidia to release some news about the successor to the Pascal GPU line for gaming.

newtekie1Argh...we don't need another GTX1060...

That's okay because unless you live in China, there isn't.

According to Expreview, the GTX 1060 5GB is exclusive to the Chinese market, and it won't be available at retail. That means you won't find the GTX 1060 5GB on any shelves. If you really want to get your hands on one, online e-commerce websites like Taobao or Alibaba are your only options.

64Kummmm......ok then.

Meanwhile, on the rest of the planet Earth people are waiting on Nvidia to release some news about the successor to the Pascal GPU line for gaming.

There is less and less of a need for it man. PC gaming is becoming smaller and smaller. Expect dedicated GPU releases to become father and farther apart. Cite digital downloads as signs to the otherwise and Ill note that includes ALL digital downloads. Phones, Tablets, Consoles AND PC's.

www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/01/11/pc-sales-decline-again---5th-year-row/96460196/

Soon Apple will retire the Mac and go full mobile. Pretty soon its gonna be cloud computing with nice terminals in each home. R&D for this stuff is going to be for the next console. PC gamers will get the scraps.

Looks like Nvidia and AMD gave up on the market that used to be in between the 300-400 segment. Rip xx60Ti.

They didn't gave up. Miners bought ALL of them...

TheMailMan78There is less and less of a need for it man. PC gaming is becoming smaller and smaller. Expect dedicated GPU releases to become father and farther apart. Cite digital downloads as signs to the otherwise and Ill note that includes ALL digital downloads. Phones, Tablets, Consoles AND PC's.

www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/01/11/pc-sales-decline-again---5th-year-row/96460196/

Soon Apple will retire the Mac and go full mobile. Pretty soon its gonna be cloud computing with nice terminals in each home. R&D for this stuff is going to be for the next console. PC gamers will get the scraps.

You're confusing PC sales with PC gaming sales. It's clear that PC sales have been declining but revenue generated by PC gaming increases year after year. There's no denying that mobile gaming is king but I would ask you this.....if PC gaming is going ass-up then why is more than half of Nvidia's revenue coming from GPU sales dedicated for PC gaming?

What is holding back gaming GPU tech advancement doesn't have anything to do with the health of PC gaming right now. It has to do with the lopsided market. There is simply no real competition for Nvidia with the 1070, 1080, 1080 Ti GPUs right now.

64KWhat is holding back gaming GPU tech advancement doesn't have anything to do with the health of PC gaming right now. It has to do with the lopsided market. There is simply no real competition for Nvidia with the 1070, 1080, 1080 Ti GPUs right now.

It also doesn't have anything to do with the competition ... When the 1070, 1080 and 1080 Ti GPUs sales drop, nVidia will be forced to release a new, faster generation if there is any competition around or if there is not ...

64KWhat is holding back gaming GPU tech advancement doesn't have anything to do with the health of PC gaming right now. It has to do with the lopsided market. There is simply no real competition for Nvidia with the 1070, 1080, 1080 Ti GPUs right now.

I think that the reality is that AMD has some good hardware but, their drivers are relatively bad compared to nVidia's and they can't efficiently drive the hardware. Why else would AMD always gain performance with drivers on a regular basis? There are some benchmarks (in Linux, since that's where I live,) where Vega stands up to all of those GPUs relatively well but, they're few and far in between. It says that the GPU can reach that though. Pair that with constant driver improvements and it just puts a giant spotlight on drivers. Even RADV is in many cases performing better than AMD's own code. That alone should tell you something about AMD drivers and not so much the hardware.

As a software engineer, I'm the last person to throw developers under the bus but, as far as performance is concerned, this is undoubtedly mostly a driver problem because AMD crams a lot of hardware in their cards and I feel that a lot of times, it goes underutilized.

So it's with same memory config as quadro p2000. But yeah oem card for Chinese market, nothing to see here.

jabbadapSo it's with same memory config as quadro p2000. But yeah oem card for Chinese market, nothing to see here.

Aka, low cost, high volume.

krukIt also doesn't have anything to do with the competition ... When the 1070, 1080 and 1080 Ti GPUs sales drop, nVidia will be forced to release a new, faster generation if there is any competition around or if there is not ...

I disagree. Why would the sales drop? Gamers continue to upgrade over time but if the sales did drop what is the motivation for Nvidia to release the successors to the Pascal line? If Nvidia did that they would just be competing with themselves. What is needed is for RTG to step up to the bat with 7nm Navi probably but what is the timetable for that?

newtekie1Argh...we don't need another GTX1060...

You mean another 970

AquinusI think that the reality is that AMD has some good hardware but, their drivers are relatively bad compared to nVidia's and they can't efficiently drive the hardware. Why else would AMD always gain performance with drivers on a regular basis? There are some benchmarks (in Linux, since that's where I live,) where Vega stands up to all of those GPUs relatively well but, they're few and far in between. It says that the GPU can reach that though. Pair that with constant driver improvements and it just puts a giant spotlight on drivers. Even RADV is in many cases performing better than AMD's own code. That alone should tell you something about AMD drivers and not so much the hardware.

As a software engineer, I'm the last person to throw developers under the bus but, as far as performance is concerned, this is undoubtedly mostly a driver problem because AMD crams a lot of hardware in their cards and I feel that a lot of times, it goes underutilized.

@fullinfusion, what say you?

64KI disagree. Why would the sales drop? Gamers continue to upgrade over time but if the sales did drop what is the motivation for Nvidia to release the successors to the Pascal line? If Nvidia did that they would just be competing with themselves. What is needed is for RTG to step up to the bat with 7nm Navi probably but what is the timetable for that?

Intel had been competing with themselves for years for the most part. What if they had stopped at Haswell?

Prince ValiantIntel had been competing with themselves for years for the most part. What if they had stopped at Haswell?

More like sandbagging and not innovating

I would not be surprised if some of these showed up in eBay.

64KI disagree. Why would the sales drop? Gamers continue to upgrade over time but if the sales did drop what is the motivation for Nvidia to release the successors to the Pascal line? If Nvidia did that they would just be competing with themselves. What is needed is for RTG to step up to the bat with 7nm Navi probably but what is the timetable for that?

The sales will definitely start dropping, because thats how consumers work. That's why we get new models of everything, even if the old ones are perfectly fine.

The motivation for nVidia will be transition from 1080p to higher resolutions and, of course, increasing game system requirements. The CPUs were never really the limit in gaming (thats why Intel could get away with 5% improvement per gen), but the GPUs already are. If not at 1080p, then at 1440p and most definitely at 4K.

Navi is needed for the price war, but that is it.

I predict it'll be about as fast as the 3GB model, due to the drop in memory bandwidth.

www.techspot.com/review/1263-gears-of-war-4-benchmarks/

64KYou're confusing PC sales with PC gaming sales. It's clear that PC sales have been declining but revenue generated by PC gaming increases year after year. There's no denying that mobile gaming is king but I would ask you this.....if PC gaming is going ass-up then why is more than half of Nvidia's revenue coming from GPU sales dedicated for PC gaming?

What is holding back gaming GPU tech advancement doesn't have anything to do with the health of PC gaming right now. It has to do with the lopsided market. There is simply no real competition for Nvidia with the 1070, 1080, 1080 Ti GPUs right now.

But the most used GPUs according to steamstats are gtx750ti and gtx960. And the most played games dota 2, League, CS go, world of tanks, minecraft, heartstone, warcraft and pubg. Except for the last one, all these games run on modest hardware and they drive most of the pc gaming revenue.

Not the ubisoft/EA console port at 4k, that's for a niche.

AquinusI think that the reality is that AMD has some good hardware but, their drivers are relatively bad compared to nVidia's and they can't efficiently drive the hardware. Why else would AMD always gain performance with drivers on a regular basis? There are some benchmarks (in Linux, since that's where I live,) where Vega stands up to all of those GPUs relatively well but, they're few and far in between. It says that the GPU can reach that though. Pair that with constant driver improvements and it just puts a giant spotlight on drivers. Even RADV is in many cases performing better than AMD's own code. That alone should tell you something about AMD drivers and not so much the hardware.

As a software engineer, I'm the last person to throw developers under the bus but, as far as performance is concerned, this is undoubtedly mostly a driver problem because AMD crams a lot of hardware in their cards and I feel that a lot of times, it goes underutilized.

And how again can you benefit brand new hardware when devs or games are not ready for it yet?

nem..www.techspot.com/review/1263-gears-of-war-4-benchmarks/

A nem special! In short.... what?

64KMeanwhile, on the rest of the planet Earth people are waiting on Nvidia to release some news about the successor to the Pascal GPU line for gaming.

Speak for yourself. I am very happy with my current card. Not interested in upgrading again until there is a good need to do so.

nem..www.techspot.com/review/1263-gears-of-war-4-benchmarks/

Those differences are are tiny and, in the heat/action of gameplay, are completely irrelevant.

JismAnd how again can you benefit brand new hardware when devs or games are not ready for it yet?

I wouldn't call my 390 "new hardware," and it suffers the same problem.

But just lowering the prices for internet cafè for the normal 1060 6gb would not be enough? Really?
I really wanna see the price for 1gb less and if is going to be the new memory or the "old" .
Something is not right at all.