Thursday, June 28th 2018

Prices of First-gen AMD Threadrippers Drop Like a Rock

Intel's strategy against AMD's unexpected doubling in core-counts of its Ryzen Threadripper HEDT processors has been that of a headless chicken in a room painted Vantablack. It announced a 28-core processor that would require you to buy a new motherboard; and is frantically working on a 22-core processor for the existing LGA2066 platform. It's looking like AMD isn't in a mood to walk into Intel's core-count trap, and could hit Intel where it hurts the most - pricing. The top-dog 32-core part has already reared its head on German web-stores, seeking a little over 1,500€, just 500€ more than the price its previous-generation 16-core flagship, the Threadripper 1950X launched at. At 1,500€-ish, AMD could end up disrupting Intel's entire >10-core lineup that's priced between $1199 to $1999, currently occupied by 12-core, 14-core, 16-core, and 18-core SKUs.

AMD may not spare Intel's sub-$1000 Core X lineup, either. Prices of first-generation Ryzen Threadripper processors are seeing a dramatic drop, with the flagship Threadripper 1950X being priced under 650€. Prices of the 12-core Threadripper 1920X have slipped to just under 550€. The Core i9-7900X, meanwhile, continues to command a touch over 880€. The drop in prices of first-gen Threadrippers is likely retailers trying to clear out inventories to make room for 2nd generation Threadrippers. It could also be a prelude to AMD announcing more affordable 12-core and 16-core Threadrippers based on the 2nd generation "Zen+" architecture.
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77 Comments on Prices of First-gen AMD Threadrippers Drop Like a Rock

#1
R0H1T
phanbuey said:
That's actually not true... When I bench the 7820x @ 4.9ghz it generally edges out single core scores of CFL at the same speed and sometimes 100Mhz faster (cinebench, cpu-z, superpi, aida etc). In games and latency tests the ringbus will always win and like you said in AVX / FPU of any kind (512 or otherwise) SKX is an absolute monster.

I do agree with you about the 32 core TR though, nothing can touch that.
I'm not disagreeing with you per se but I don't see CFL in here?

The thing is SKL-X is probably better across the board in AVX tasks, as compared to CFL, however pretty much everywhere else CFL is ahead, even if only marginally.
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TheGuruStud
phanbuey said:
Maybe they match in Cinebench and a few encryption workloads but most of the time SK-x has better IPC. Granted not by much and zen 2 will most likely spank sk-x into next week.



I have an r7 1700 for work and a 7820x at home, they're definitely not in the same class even at the same speed.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1457-ryzen-7-vs-core-i7-octa-core/page3.html
Blender doesn't seem to use any intercore communication, which is why it works so great on ryzen (and AMD always demos it). Gaming takes a pretty noticeable on hit on both for that reason.

I don't care for Steve much, but here ya go.

It's pretty clear what's going on.
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#3
phanbuey
TheGuruStud said:
Blender doesn't seem to use any intercore communication, which is why it works so great on ryzen (and AMD always demos it). Gaming takes a pretty noticeable on hit on both for that reason.

I don't care for Steve much, but here ya go.

It's pretty clear what's going on.
Good video, thanks for that.


As far as gaming goes for SK-x/Ryzen if you tweak the mesh/ use good ram for Ryzen (tweak trfc, timings, gear down etc.) and it will get pretty damn close. I feel like he doesn't really spend enough time with these platforms.




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#4
TheGuruStud
phanbuey said:
Good video, thanks for that.


As far as gaming goes for SK-x/Ryzen if you tweak the mesh/ use good ram for Ryzen (tweak trfc, timings, gear down etc.) and it will get pretty damn close. I feel like he doesn't really spend enough time with these platforms.
Yeah, but I think it's more of real world use. People definitely will slap some 3200 into ryzen, but how many are tweaking subtimings and mesh?
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#6
TheGuruStud
dogsbody said:
This is easy:

x = $629.99 / 1950

x ~=$0.323

But cannot tell whether this is really good value for x or not ...
1800x was 500 at launch and still wasn't a bad value at the time (just not amazing like 1700). The math is easy. 1700 was ~200 recently (and 1800x was 240, iirc), so if you're waiting on rock bottom pricing, there's still some room for it to drop another 1-150, stock allowing.

I gave up as I wanted better OC, so I'm waiting for TR3. I have high hopes for Zen 2. TSMC better not screw me.
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#7
R0H1T
dogsbody said:
This is easy:

x = $629.99 / 1950

x ~=$0.323

But cannot tell whether this is really good value for x or not ...
As compared to the 1700 nope, otherwise when you look at the complete platform (64 PCIe lanes & quad channel mem) it's a steal.
Of course 16 cores isn't for everyone but someone doing genome sequencing(?) could stock all these chips before they go out of stock, with the impending launch of TR2 :pimp:
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Caring1
dogsbody said:
This is easy:

x = $629.99 / 1950

x ~=$0.323

But cannot tell whether this is really good value for x or not ...
:roll::roll::roll:
Not sure every one gets it.
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TheGuruStud
Caring1 said:
:roll::roll::roll:
Not sure every one gets it.
Yes, but a lot of people really are wondering if they should buy.
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#10
JoniISkandar
dwade said:
Intel made records in profit recently despite Ryzen and Epyc. They'll do fine with or without your worries.
most intel money come from OEM aka Lenovo DELL etc,, after intel play dirty pay OEM to not use AMD when AMD clearly has better product than crap Pentium 4,, now after 1 years Ryzen, Oem ready to take Ryzen lineup,,
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#11
Robin2win14
Hood said:
Clearly, Intel has a superior product line, and has no need to drastically drop prices. Just as obviously, AMD is having much trouble selling TR, and has dropped the price of their flagship CPU 4 times (so far). Intel just doesn't seem to be worried, despite the yellow journalism tactics employed by misguided editors. Strange how people spin the facts to fit their preconceived notions, as if that will magically make TR a success. Threadripper is a niche product, with very little appeal for most PC users. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CF7CmG/amd-threadripper-1950x-34ghz-16-core-processor-yd195xa8aewof
@btarunr - I can't help but notice that your personal rig is running an Intel CPU and NVIDIA GPU. Where's all the love for AMD? I guess you voted with your wallet. Is it any wonder AMD is losing sales to Intel, when even AMD fans won't buy their hardware, despite all their rabid posts to the contrary?
Clearly, you got your facts wrong. Going by your logic, if TR is a niche product, so too must all Intel high core CPUs be nice products. Since the introduction of ZEN, the CPUs have been selling like hot cakes, stealing market share from Intel like crazy. Don't believe me? Google is your friend! The only advantage Intel has over the Ryzen chips, is stronger single core performance. Which is cool for gamers, obviously. But it is not just gamers who buy PC parts! Also, I hope you see the irony when you say that people spin the facts to fit their preconceived notions.
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#12
Vya Domus
I am amazed people still debate the usefulness of these CPU , which now feature dozens of cores, for gaming in this day and age.
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#13
R0H1T
Robin2win14 said:
Clearly, you got your facts wrong. Going by your logic, if TR is a niche product, so too must all Intel high core CPUs be nice products. Since the introduction of ZEN, the CPUs have been selling like hot cakes, stealing market share from Intel like crazy. Don't believe me? Google is your friend! The only advantage Intel has over the Ryzen chips, is stronger single core performance. Which is cool for gamers, obviously. But it is not just gamers who buy PC parts! Also, I hope you see the irony when you say that people spin the facts to fit their preconceived notions.
Tbf Intel was gonna release a 5GHz 28 core (probably 300W TDP & consuming 1KW of power at full load) monster before the end of this year, or am I imagining things o_O
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#14
Vayra86
Hood said:
I agree that Intel's HEDT CPUs make even less sense for most gamers and casual users. Nobody needs all those cores to make posts, web surf, watch videos, or even high-end games, which is maybe 90% of what I do. My quad core i7 is overkill for most of what I do. So my perspective is probably different from most people. I know a lot of people on this site have more use for the high core counts, at work or for video rendering etc. at home, but I think a lot of us hardware geeks just love the idea of having that much speed and power. I can't really afford the expensive parts anymore, may end up with Ryzen myself when this Intel system craps out. So don't take my posts personally, I just feel like I have to stick up for the underdog, which seems to be Intel these days. When I read posts from Intel-haters, I just get reactive. I guess I'm ornery that way sometimes.
Defending either company regardless of its position in the market makes no sense at all. Look back at AMD the past ten years. Has their fanbase achieved even the slightest dent in terms of stealing Intel market share? Nope. Perhaps they even achieved more pronounced losses for AMD by overhyping things every single time.

Its very simple: people buy the product they want and only a strong product from a competitor will make them switch. And most consumers are very sensitive to price but when it comes to reliability and comfort... those can weigh in just as heavily. Despite hundreds of fans saying otherwise. Facts and benches and measurements dont lie and that is what informed customers go on.

The best approach IMO is an objective analysis of data and getting as much data as possible at that. Only that really is useful and informative and only that will prevent people from acting and looking like fools. Viewing yourself as someone battling for anything in name of a brand belongs to children... Adults fight for ideals and the hardware business is hardly one where that has a place.
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Bones
Vayra86 said:
Defending either company regardless of its position in the market makes no sense at all. Look back at AMD the past ten years. Has their fanbase achieved even the slightest dent in terms of stealing Intel market share? Nope. Perhaps they even achieved more pronounced losses for AMD by overhyping things every single time.

Its very simple: people buy the product they want and only a strong product from a competitor will make them switch. And most consumers are very sensitive to price but when it comes to reliability and comfort... those can weigh in just as heavily. Despite hundreds of fans saying otherwise. Facts and benches and measurements dont lie and that is what informed customers go on.

The best approach IMO is an objective analysis of data and getting as much data as possible at that. Only that really is useful and informative and only that will prevent people from acting and looking like fools. Viewing yourself as someone battling for anything in name of a brand belongs to children... Adults fight for ideals and the hardware business is hardly one where that has a place.
You would be shocked to have seen how many times a decision of what to get was purely based on cost alone, all other factors literally tossed aside.
As long as it would work and was the cheapest it was "The Choice".
Yes, the place I used to work for was like that and they didn't care about features or anything else except if it would do the job and whether it vs something else was the cheapest.

I will admit many times this kind of decision making led to a good deal of problems.
Here's how it always went - The one(s) that said to do it that way would then lay dealing with the problem(s) from their choice on everyone else beneath them and you know what that was about.

If you coudn't make it work you were in deep sh!t...... Nevermind you had no say about what was chosen because your job wasn't to buy, just to deal with it.

This was with everything from IT work, electrical, building maintenance, fire safety and more to what was used to pickup paper and trash from the parking lot.
It's no wonder to me why we had so many department heads either roll or just walk.

Do understand folks like us that actually know and care would make smarter decisions even if it cost a little more up front. These guys coudn't see beyond the end of their pocketbook that in most cases cheaper now was more expensive later..... And of course no one could tell them differently.

However even though AMD as the example within this thread is cheaper, it's not something you'd have to worry about getting the job done because it will.
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#16
TheGuruStud
Bones said:
You would be shocked to have seen how many times a decision of what to get was purely based on cost alone, all other factors literally tossed aside.
As long as it would work and was the cheapest it was "The Choice".
Yes, the place I used to work for was like that and they didn't care about features or anything else except if it would do the job and whether it vs something else was the cheapest.

I will admit many times this kind of decision making led to a good deal of problems.
Here's how it always went - The one(s) that said to do it that way would then lay dealing with the problem(s) from their choice on everyone else beneath them and you know what that was about.

If you coudn't make it work you were in deep sh!t...... Nevermind you had no say about what was chosen because your job wasn't to buy, just to deal with it.

This was with everything from IT work, electrical, building maintenance, fire safety and more to what was used to pickup paper and trash from the parking lot.
It's no wonder to me why we had so many department heads either roll or just walk.

Do understand folks like us that actually know and care would make smarter decisions even if it cost a little more up front. These guys coudn't see beyond the end of their pocketbook that in most cases cheaper now was more expensive later..... And of course no one could tell them differently.

However even though AMD as the example within this thread is cheaper, it's not something you'd have to worry about getting the job done because it will.
Hey, I work for one of those places! They have billions and end up spending double, b/c all of the cheap crap and contractors just fails after a couple years. Then they complain about maintenance costs instead of spending 20% more to do everything right. BUT, they have granite counter tops and oak floors!!!!!!!!1!1!11!1
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#17
Toranova
Hood said:
Clearly, Intel has a superior product line, and has no need to drastically drop prices. Just as obviously, AMD is having much trouble selling TR, and has dropped the price of their flagship CPU 4 times (so far). Intel just doesn't seem to be worried, despite the yellow journalism tactics employed by misguided editors. Strange how people spin the facts to fit their preconceived notions, as if that will magically make TR a success. Threadripper is a niche product, with very little appeal for most PC users. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CF7CmG/amd-threadripper-1950x-34ghz-16-core-processor-yd195xa8aewof
@btarunr - I can't help but notice that your personal rig is running an Intel CPU and NVIDIA GPU. Where's all the love for AMD? I guess you voted with your wallet. Is it any wonder AMD is losing sales to Intel, when even AMD fans won't buy their hardware, despite all their rabid posts to the contrary?
Sorry mate, I usually don't like calling people out, you're probably a nice enough person however you're talking absolute shit. You have done zero research and are basing these on your own view of the world, not on facts. A quick google will reveal that AMD's CPU and GPU share of the market has grown in recent years. It is not losing sales to Intel, it is taking them.

Literally the first google article after googling 'Current AMD CPU share growth' proves you wrong. Link for a source as I like to back up my argument with facts instead of sprouting either unresearched or uneducated crap. I'm guessing it's probably you just didn't do your research as you don't come across as uneducated.

I personally use Intel at the current time, however, pretending that AMD isn't going well is simply you being biased and not knowing your facts.
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#18
Bones
TheGuruStud said:
Hey, I work for one of those places! They have billions and end up spending double, b/c all of the cheap crap and contractors just fails after a couple years. Then they complain about maintenance costs instead of spending 20% more to do everything right. BUT, they have granite counter tops and oak floors!!!!!!!!1!1!11!1
Probrably in their personal office and the boardroom - All the rest is crap.
That's how it was for us.
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TheGuruStud
Bones said:
Probrably in their personal office and the boardroom - All the rest is crap.
That's how it was for us.
Apts for idiot students that will trash them half the time. High quality laminate flooring and engineered stone tops would be best and save a lot of money. But they want to be able to advertise as having the most high end apts.

The higher ups believe themselves to be so untouchable that one would casually browse his pedo forum at work...until he was arrested. Oops, too much info, you can figure it out lol.
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#20
Caring1
If the price is dropping like a rock, perhaps someone should tell the retailers in my country, the price is barely moving.
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#21
AlwaysHope
Vya Domus said:
I am amazed people still debate the usefulness of these CPU , which now feature dozens of cores, for gaming in this day and age.
Gotta agree. Devs aim game code at current & maybe future gen of console architecture. PS5 is rumored to be based on Ryzen core goodness. But how many for PS5? is anyone's guess atm.
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#22
R0H1T
AlwaysHope said:
Gotta agree. Devs aim game code at current & maybe future gen of console architecture. PS5 is rumored to be based on Ryzen core goodness. But how many for PS5? is anyone's guess atm.
I'm assuming cores, right? If the next console chip is gonna be made on 7nm, GF or TSMC, then it'll feature at least 8 (ryzen) cores with the option of 12/16 cores open, depending on how they make it i.e. single APU type or MCM ala KBL-G.
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#23
GhostRyder
Edit: Misread the title, thought we were talking about different chips.

Well they will definitely fill up for the users who need those cores for rendering, virtualizing, and such. More cores is going to revolutionize these types of workloads in the coming years!
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#24
bug
GhostRyder said:
This is AMD's best way to get their processors back in servers. More cores for a cheaper price will mean data centers who are virtualizing everything will buy up machines with these chips.
Actually, AMD's way back into servers is Epyc, not Threadripper. Threadripper is AMD's answer to Intel's HEDT.
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GhostRyder
bug said:
Actually, AMD's way back into servers is Epyc, not Threadripper. Threadripper is AMD's answer to Intel's HEDT.
My mistake, didn't read enough to realize we were only talking about threadripper. Thought Epyc was part of the conversation... Thanks for the catch.
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