yeeeemanBut what am I talking when enthusiats who know what the 2700X and 8700K are capable of, are still buying the Intel one even when prices are stupidly expensive. I wouldn't pay more than 300$ on 8700K, more so knowing that in one month we will get a 8 core version at 450$.

Unfortunately you may think of me as an Intel fanboy, I have an 8700K-based system here. I looked at my receipt from Microcenter, I paid exactly $299.99 for the processor and $139.99 for the motherboard. Now that I look back on the purchase, I maybe should have gone the AMD route but hey... you know what they say about hindsight.

You actually did get a good price on it. I am not discarding the 8700K as an option, I am just saying that people shouldn't buy by default, no matter the price.

If I were in the market to build right now, you bet your ass I wouldn't buy an 8700K if it was too expensive. I know that Microcenter is selling them for $329.99, any more than that... no sale.

Then again, Microcenter is known to price their processor lineup at a lower cost; they make it up when you buy other components.

There's one big factor that folks seem to be forgetting, supply and demand ... the 8700k has been out of stock frequently of late.... listed on newegg earlier today at $380 and "out of stock", it's just resurfaced as in stock and $400. Vendor pricing will increase or decrease in response to supply and demand and vendors will always 'maximize their profits" as best as they can. if you want to see prices drop you have 2 choices a) don't buy till they come back down or b) buy the competitor's CPU. One would think that Intel would be dropping prices with new generation on the horizon.

Yeah, except all these high prices people are seeing are not Intel raising prices. It’s vendors dealing with Intel’s inability to supply enough. That’s why different vendors have different prices.

High demand still, and short supply will have vendors asking for more.

TheOneThat would make the 3700X $360-390, the 3600X $260-290, based on 2nd Gen launch prices, putting them right next to Intel, which is what I am worried about.

nah ... for me it would be 379$ (3700X increased price by 60$) versus 479 (8700K current pricing) ... still 100$ difference is totally fine and 260-290 is totally fine for a 6/12 versus a 6/6 at 289-319 (8600K current pricing)

rtwjunkieYeah, except all these high prices people are seeing are not Intel raising prices. It’s vendors dealing with Intel’s inability to supply enough. That’s why different vendors have different prices.

High demand still, and short supply will have vendors asking for more.

true, well there will be no more demand from me ... shortage or greedy retailer, i don't care :laugh:

GreiverBladenah ... for me it would be 379$ (3700X increased price by 60$) versus 479 (8700K current pricing) ... still 100$ difference is totally fine and 260-290 is totally fine for a 6/12 versus a 6/6 at 289-319 (8600K current pricing)


true, well there will be no more demand from me ... shortage or greedy retailer, i don't care :laugh:

I disagree.

yeeeemanI agree. All these years of absence have made them a bad name of being a non option. And now, when they really have great CPUs, people still don't know that they got back in the game.
But what am I talking when enthusiats who know what the 2700X and 8700K are capable of, are still buying the Intel one even when prices are stupidly expensive. I wouldn't pay more than 300$ on 8700K, more so knowing that in one month we will get a 8 core version at 450$.

if the 8700K is currently on sale in the UK for £450 no way on this planet is an 8 core version gonna be on sale in one month for $450 dollars.. be real.. he he..

for whatever reason supply is not meeting demand i see no reason why this situation is not gonna apply equally to the next version chip when it arrives..

once people lock into amd or intel it takes a while for this brand loyalty to change.. it dosnt happen overnight.. if the 8700K is over priced so will its successor be..

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TheOneI worry that if AMD can get their gaming performance up that they will just price them along side Intel's if not higher.

I honestly don;'t think so. I think AMD will do whatever it takes for them to get as much marketshare as they can. That is what drives opinion at the end. If more people are buying AMD more people will recommend and talk about it. I just went to 2700x from being with Intel for the last 8 years.

Have you noticed even though 8700k price has been going up there have been some sales on 2700x on the flip side? Yep! Newegg and Amazon had sale on 2700x around 290 last few days. So AMD is actually doubling down on it right now.

John NaylorThere's one big factor that folks seem to be forgetting, supply and demand ... the 8700k has been out of stock frequently of late.... listed on newegg earlier today at $380 and "out of stock", it's just resurfaced as in stock and $400. Vendor pricing will increase or decrease in response to supply and demand and vendors will always 'maximize their profits" as best as they can. if you want to see prices drop you have 2 choices a) don't buy till they come back down or b) buy the competitor's CPU. One would think that Intel would be dropping prices with new generation on the horizon.

Intel is having supply issue. Its not really that all of sudden eveyrone is buying up 8700k. They are running in to issues where they can't make enough due to them adjusting out put to make other processors I think. So yea they are making less and in return prices are going up. No doubt fanboys will still buy intel but data is there. Looks like AMD is getting more buyers now as they more people are recommending it. It really boils down to more buyers, the more people that buy AMD the more people will talk about it and recommend it.

TheOneI worry that if AMD can get their gaming performance up that they will just price them along side Intel's if not higher.

This the real truth of the matter!

NkdI honestly don;'t think so. I think AMD will do whatever it takes for them to get as much marketshare as they can. That is what drives opinion at the end. If more people are buying AMD more people will recommend and talk about it. I just went to 2700x from being with Intel for the last 8 years.

I hope they don't, PC gaming has had it rough over the past year or so when it comes to hardware pricing.

NkdHave you noticed even though 8700k price has been going up there have been some sales on 2700x on the flip side? Yep! Newegg and Amazon had sale on 2700x around 290 last few days. So AMD is actually doubling down on it right now.

Last month I bought a 2600 and X470 board for $250 ($230 if MIR), not the highest end, but it was a good deal and was perfect for what I needed it for.

It's not "supply and demand" if there's no demand:



Also, I don't believe it's just retailers lifting their margins - the same has been said about GPU prices during cryptocraze, and then Nvidia published their record revenue.

TheOneI disagree.

well you have your opinion no worries :laugh:


altho ... if a 3700X was 379 and a 9700K was 479 you would take the 9700K? :laugh: not me ... it would be a bad deal compared to the other (even if it was a 2700X, tho luckily a 2700X is 299-319 for me atm )

GreiverBladewell you have your opinion no worries :laugh:


altho ... if a 3700X was 379 and a 9700K was 479 you would take the 9700K? :laugh: not me ... it would be a bad deal compared to the other (even if it was a 2700X, tho luckily a 2700X is 299-319 for me atm )

Never said I would buy an Intel CPU at $380+, if mainstream CPU's start costing $400<, I will start buying HEDT.

Also don't forget that it did cost $400 for a Ryzen 1700X last year at launch, but AMD had to adjust pricing.

TheOneNever said I would buy an Intel CPU at $380+, if mainstream CPU's start costing $400<, I will start buying HEDT.

Also don't forget that it did cost $400 for a Ryzen 1700X last year at launch, but AMD had to adjust pricing.

well if i buy HEDT because of that ... it has to be a Threadripper .... for the same reason as with mainstream :laugh:

but i should do it literally right now ... X700K always did cost 400$+ for me :roll:

GreiverBladewell if i buy HEDT because of that ... it has to be a Threadripper .... for the same reason as with mainstream :laugh:

but i should do it literally right now ... X700K always did cost 400$+ for me :roll:

Now imagine how much more it would cost if it cost $400 here in the US.

TheOneNow imagine how much more it would cost if it cost $400 here in the US.

ohhhh yes i can ... pricing in Switzerland were always crazy ... specially for Intel and Nv ... i hate it ... kinda, but i thanks AMD for the lower cost option for my next upgrade which is due next year

My upgrade is probably 2020, I mean motherboard-cpu-ram.
If something good not surprise me. If some good comination show up earlier I will keep my RAM 2666MHz C15.
Interesting stuff are Maximux XI Code and i9-9900K.

Only I look, Geekbench i7-9700K 6200-30000, my i7-5820K 4.5GHz 5300-28500.
I know i7-9700K no HT Link, but that's not improvement worth of upgrade from my perspective.
i9-9900K is 6300-3xxxx...again is not reason to upgrade.

GreiverBladeohhhh yes i can ... pricing in Switzerland were always crazy ... specially for Intel and Nv ... i hate it ... kinda, but i thanks AMD for the lower cost option for my next upgrade which is due next year

So... I couldn't help myself and checked out some Swiss prices. I opened pc-ostschweiz.ch, pcp.ch, digitec.ch (I clicked on random search results). The first two shops are selling it for 475-480 CHF, the other one - 520 CHF.

You think these prices are... "crazy"? Let me give you some context. Going by today's rates and prices, I would have to pay anywhere between 555-607 CHF for the same CPU.

Some further context: my monthly salary equals ~600 CHF - the average for my country. The same average for Switzerland is 10 times more. You get paid 10 times more on average, yet the same CPU is cheaper over there. Now that, my friend, is "crazy" :')

P.S. - For those reading this who are lazy/unaware: You may easily substitute CHF with USD, the Swiss National Bank's current rate is USD/CHF 0.9938 - they're practically equal.

aherm ... with my monthly earning way below the average ... it is crazy... aka: 800chf a month when all essential is paid (which these 800 chf are for food, regular expenses, monthly bill and hobby )

some have a leasing for a car ... i have no car but a leasing on computer hardware ... my car is my rig ... (halfway finished to pay for the latest acquisition in a 24 month billing plan )

ofc taking in account country average is important .... but don't forget that not every Swiss guy/girl are working in banks and sleeping on a mattress filled with bank note :laugh: