Tuesday, May 7th 2019

AMD Radeon RX 3080 XT "Navi" to Challenge RTX 2070 at $330

Rumors of AMD's next-generation performance-segment graphics card are gaining traction following a leak of what is possibly its PCB. Tweaktown put out a boatload of information of the so-called Radeon RX 3080 XT graphics card bound for an 2019 E3 launch, shortly after a Computex unveiling. Based on the 7 nm "Navi 10" GPU, the RX 3080 XT will feature 56 compute units based on the faster "Navi" architecture (3,584 stream processors), and 8 GB of GDDR6 memory across a 256-bit wide memory bus.

The source puts out two very sensational claims: one, that the RX 3080 XT performs competitively with NVIDIA's $499 GeForce RTX 2070; and two, that AMD could start a price-war against NVIDIA by aggressively pricing the card around the $330 mark, or about two-thirds the price of the RTX 2070. Even if either if not both hold true, AMD will fire up the performance-segment once again, forcing NVIDIA to revisit the RTX 2070 and RTX 2060.
Source: Tweaktown
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210 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 3080 XT "Navi" to Challenge RTX 2070 at $330

#1
sergionography
Interesting. I wonder how power efficiency will play out on this though. Hopefully AMD doesn't squeeze things way above the sweetspot efficiency curve.
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#2
Brusfantomet
Is the “performs competitively with NVIDIA's $499 GeForce RTX 2070” the same as Radeon VII comparison to the 2080? Because to me it looks like the VII needs water-cooling to actually get close to the 2080.
One can hope that it’s the case. Having 93 % of the compute units of the Radon VII (if frequencies stays the same) it shuld place it on par with the 2070. But I am not holding my breath.
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#3
Caring1
Probably run hotter and use a lot more power too.
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#4
VulkanBros
Reminds me....

And is still running - just changed the thermal paste and the thermal paddings
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#5
kastriot
Well this decoy is necessary for upcoming 5nm AMD gpu and then fun begins.
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#6
sutyi
Caring1 said:
Probably run hotter and use a lot more power too.
RTX 2070's avg around 190-210W under gaming. If NAVI can not close a 20-25% performance gap while being literally two nodes lower than VEGA and going up to 220-240W TDP per se... it won't be funny...
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#7
R0H1T
This needs to be merged with the choo choo thread :laugh:
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#8
Vayra86
If this is true, its a pretty neat price/perf move for the midrange. With this, AMD is fast cannibalizing on Nvidia's profits and market, and with minimal effort. Nvidia has to match this in some way; they either do it with slightly higher performance (likely) at a slightly higher price point or they do some weak refresh of Turing and compete on price instead (highly unlikely given the place Turing's at on this node). But that still makes it a pretty sweet drop from the 2060, which was already a decent bang/buck performance card.

And, it does make Navi rather interesting for as long as it will last (that is until more 7nm GPUs come to market). Very curious about the power this thing will need.

R0H1T said:
This needs to be merged with the choo choo thread :laugh:
Please no, let's keep hype and inflated expectations out of here for once...
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#9
The Quim Reaper
Hmmm...is that a 2060 Ti with 8GB VRAM release, suddenly being prepared at Nvidia HQ, I see?
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#10
R0H1T
Isn't this just a rehash of WCCF leak/rumor which itself was probably based on Jim's reveal It is.
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#11
THANATOS
If It has 56CU then RTX2070 performance is possible, but they wouldn't price it at $330 If the Nvidia card is selling for $499. Nvidia's card would be ~50% more expensive and AMD is not a charity. Either the performance and parameters will be worse or the price higher. $449 would be acceptable for this kind of performance.
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#12
Upgrayedd
Cut Intel with X399 and now Nvidia with 3xxx if true. Starting to feel like they are just doing it to seem competitive, more of a bark than a bite.
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#13
spnidel
isn't the rtx 2070 pretty much a 1080 performance-wise? if so, then god damn, AMD... node shrink, and you still can't beat a 1080 ti with something that isn't HBM memory with power consumption that isn't trash. sad.
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#14
NdMk2o1o
spnidel said:
isn't the rtx 2070 pretty much a 1080 performance-wise? if so, then god damn, AMD... node shrink, and you still can't beat a 1080 ti with something that isn't HBM memory with power consumption that isn't trash. sad.
So you're assuming the rumor is true then that also means you must assume the other part about the cost is true or is it just the bits that suit you? And if so then 1080/2070 performance for $330 is pretty darn good and better value /performance that anything nvidia has to offer, not to mention that navi 10 was always slated to be a midrange part from initial press statements going back as much as 2 years. So what is exactly is trash about a card that costs $330 that competes with a $500 one? Nothing to me.
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#15
M2B
Why RX? RX means R10 and it makes sense as the successor of the R9.
It should be called R11 (RXI).
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#16
erocker
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THANATOS said:
If It has 56CU then RTX2070 performance is possible, but they wouldn't price it at $330 If the Nvidia card is selling for $499. Nvidia's card would be ~50% more expensive and AMD is not a charity. Either the performance and parameters will be worse or the price higher. $449 would be acceptable for this kind of performance.
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But AMD has done this before several times with both CPU's and GPU's.
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#17
GinoLatino
NdMk2o1o said:
So you're assuming the rumor is true then that also means you must assume the other part about the cost is true or is it just the bits that suit you? And if so then 1080/2070 performance for $330 is pretty darn good and better value /performance that anything nvidia has to offer, not to mention that navi 10 was always slated to be a midrange part from initial press statements going back as much as 2 years. So what is exactly is trash about a card that costs $330 that competes with a $500 one? Nothing to me.
Exactly!
Some people are evidently bad at math or something...

Anyway lets hope for the consumers sake that AMD has a decent product. And if someone wish AMD to fail just because he is an nVidia "follower", he is a complete R _ _ _ _ D!
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#18
medi01
Let's repeat adoredTV "leak", shall we. A screenshot from the vid:





sutyi said:
being literally two nodes lower
It's one node, not two.
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#19
Manu_PT
Why are we stilll talking about AdoredTv "leaks" is beyond me... I need to create an AMD rumours youtube channel quick
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#20
medi01
THANATOS said:
Nvidia's card would be ~50% more expensive and AMD is not a charity
Remind me, why 570 (3 years old) ivs slower 1050Ti/1650 works.

Manu_PT said:
Why are we stilll talking about AdoredTv "leaks" is beyond me...
He got a number of things right, some of which were quite unusual to expect, so he should have actual source within AMD.
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#21
Assimilator
Pretty obvious that this rumour is someone taking the Radeon VII's performance vs RTX 2080 and extrapolating that to vs a 2070. But that's inane because GDDR uses a lot more watts than HBM (one of the reasons why Polaris is such a power hog), so claiming only 15W more than 2070 for the same performance is laughable at best. TSMC 7nm is obviously far superior to GloFo 14nm but there is only so much it can do with the dog that is (hopefully) GCN's last hurrah.

erocker said:
But AMD has done this before several times with both CPU's and GPU's.
They've never undercut their competitor by such a significant amount, and they have zero incentive to do so this time around, unless they want to go all-out on trying to regain marketshare. NVIDIA putting high margins on its GPUs is good news for AMD's cashflow too (assuming the latter can produce a competitive product), and RTG certainly needs money if it's going to have any hope of competing into the future.

My prediction: almost-RTX 2070 performance at $450 and 220W TDP, quickly dropping to under $400 as NVIDIA drops its own prices in retaliation.
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#22
medi01
Assimilator said:
They've never undercut their competitor by such a significant amount
8 core Zen CPUs.
290/290x.
1050Ti vs 470/570.
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#23
THANATOS
erocker said:
But AMD has done this before several times with both CPU's and GPU's.
When did they release a GPU with the same performance but only 2/3 of price? Even the super cheap RX570 has "only" 1/3(33%) better performance/price ratio than ~14% faster GTX1060 and this NAVI should have 1/2(50%) better price/performance ratio than RTX2070 while performing the same? I call this nonsense, there is no reason for them selling It so cheaply unless the performance is lower.
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#24
the54thvoid
If naming conventions are true, they've done this to piss off Nvidia. Unlikely, Nvidia can make their next gen line 3080 etc.
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#25
Vayra86
the54thvoid said:
If naming conventions are true, they've done this to piss off Nvidia. Unlikely, Nvidia can make their next gen line 3080 etc.
Inb4 Nvidia GTX 10000

You get a free Dragonball Z sticker with it.

NdMk2o1o said:
So you're assuming the rumor is true then that also means you must assume the other part about the cost is true or is it just the bits that suit you? And if so then 1080/2070 performance for $330 is pretty darn good and better value /performance that anything nvidia has to offer, not to mention that navi 10 was always slated to be a midrange part from initial press statements going back as much as 2 years. So what is exactly is trash about a card that costs $330 that competes with a $500 one? Nothing to me.
The price/perf was not his point, it was efficiency, and yes, that is pretty meh for 7nm, wouldn't you agree? Navi really needs that shrink to keep it somewhat reasonable, but this can't really last long on 7nm in the current state.

But... we haven't seen the actual numbers yet :)
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