Tuesday, May 7th 2019

AMD Radeon RX 3080 XT "Navi" to Challenge RTX 2070 at $330

Rumors of AMD's next-generation performance-segment graphics card are gaining traction following a leak of what is possibly its PCB. Tweaktown put out a boatload of information of the so-called Radeon RX 3080 XT graphics card bound for an 2019 E3 launch, shortly after a Computex unveiling. Based on the 7 nm "Navi 10" GPU, the RX 3080 XT will feature 56 compute units based on the faster "Navi" architecture (3,584 stream processors), and 8 GB of GDDR6 memory across a 256-bit wide memory bus.

The source puts out two very sensational claims: one, that the RX 3080 XT performs competitively with NVIDIA's $499 GeForce RTX 2070; and two, that AMD could start a price-war against NVIDIA by aggressively pricing the card around the $330 mark, or about two-thirds the price of the RTX 2070. Even if either if not both hold true, AMD will fire up the performance-segment once again, forcing NVIDIA to revisit the RTX 2070 and RTX 2060.
Source: Tweaktown
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213 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 3080 XT "Navi" to Challenge RTX 2070 at $330

#101
f22a4bandit
Going to treat this rumor with a mountain of salt. However, is the pricing really that unbelievable? It's not as if AMD will have dedicated hardware for raytracing on these things, nor the RnD costs of the RTX cards to make up. It's plausible at least.
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#102
medi01
THANATOS, post: 4043304, member: 184835"
You were quoting @Assimilator as shown in your link and he was only talking about GPUs,
Oh, really? Only about GPUs? Even barring idocity of commercial company undercutting competitors in CPU but not GPU market, just how pathetic can the argument get:

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#103
bug
f22a4bandit, post: 4043451, member: 88569"
Going to treat this rumor with a mountain of salt. However, is the pricing really that unbelievable? It's not as if AMD will have dedicated hardware for raytracing on these things, nor the RnD costs of the RTX cards to make up. It's plausible at least.
It's not the pricing that should be taken with a grain of salt, but the alleged performance and power efficiency. Plus, this is all a rumor, nothing from AMD directly.
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#104
prtskg
f22a4bandit, post: 4043451, member: 88569"
Going to treat this rumor with a mountain of salt. However, is the pricing really that unbelievable? It's not as if AMD will have dedicated hardware for raytracing on these things, nor the RnD costs of the RTX cards to make up. It's plausible at least.
I think NAVI has RT cores as Sony has said their next console has. And their next console uses NAVI, which I think you already know.

bug, post: 4043454, member: 157434"
It's not the pricing that should be taken with a grain of salt, but the alleged performance and power efficiency. Plus, this is all a rumor, nothing from AMD directly.
I think they'll achieve that performance thanks 7nm and factory overclocking. Power efficiency is something I'll believe when I see it.
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#105
THANATOS
medi01, post: 4043446, member: 158537"
So "AMD never cut price like that" is BS.
The poster above found $330 vs $499 unbelievable, but AMD did $499 vs $1089.

As I already mentioned It's about GPUs not CPUs. So my reply
So what?
was correct, because I was talking about GPUs.
Scroll lower to my next post for more details.
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#106
kastriot
War.. war between brands and their supporters never change :)
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#107
Dave65
Caring1, post: 4043076, member: 153156"
Probably run hotter and use a lot more power too.
Don't care, if it is as fast and cheaper the cost of power is slight.
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#108
THANATOS
medi01, post: 4043453, member: 158537"
Oh, really? Only about GPUs? Even barring idocity of commercial company undercutting competitors in CPU but not GPU market, just how pathetic can the argument get:


As I mentioned already, you quoted a part of what Assimilator said and in the rest you didn't quote he only mentioned nvidia and GPUs.
Did Assimilator directly mention cpus or Intel somewhere in that post? No.
Did Assimilator quote and reply to erocker who mentioned both CPUs and GPUs? Yes.
You simply assumed he was talking about both of them. If you want to know If he really meant both or just GPUs then ask him It's that simple!

BTW erocker was quoting and replying to my post and surprise I was talking only about Nvidia vs AMD and GPUs. So the whole debate was started by me and was about GPUs and not both of them.
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#109
EarthDog
Dave65, post: 4043476, member: 82235"
Don't care, if it is as fast and cheaper the cost of power is slight.
Indeed, but heat mitigation and noise are also part of the equation. ;)
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#110
lexluthermiester
sergionography, post: 4043073, member: 102909"
Interesting. I wonder how power efficiency will play out on this though.
I was wondering this also.
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#111
medi01
THANATOS, post: 4043478, member: 184835"
...you quoted a part of what Assimilator said...
No, I literally put entire screenshot with entire post.
Are you OK?

THANATOS, post: 4043478, member: 184835"
Did he directly mention cpus or Intel somewhere in that post?
You mean, when saying "AMD never undercut their competitor by such a significant amount" he meant only some competitors in some of the markets, but just forgot ot put "some" into the sentence?
Could it be he also meant particular time period?
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#112
Legacy-ZA
I don't think I have seen any mention of this yet; If the new AMD cards support Crossfire, AMD might have a big advantage over nVidia.

nVidia doesn't support nVlink/SLi on their RTX2060 / 2070 and 1600 series cards.
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#113
Casecutter
AnarchoPrimitiv, post: 4043306, member: 168101"
videocard could end up costing you an egregious $30/year extra...and we can't have that
And being so attentive you've already invested in a PSU that is at least GOLD+ right?

THANATOS, post: 4043360, member: 184835"
So what? I already said we were talking about GPUs not CPUs, can't you read?
Jun 25th, 2008 the 4870 released at $299, and the GTX 280 released about a month earlier Jun 16th, 2008 at $650 and only offered 13% more performance, or on perf/$ that was half the 4870.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Diamond/HD_4870/23.html

Having efficiency is great unless you have to pay someone else that "monthly savings" all up front.
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#114
THANATOS
medi01, post: 4043492, member: 158537"
No, I literally put entire screenshot with entire post.
Are you OK?
I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about this.
medi01, post: 4043140, member: 158537"
They've never undercut their competitor by such a significant amount
8 core Zen CPUs.
290/290x.
1050Ti vs 470/570.
medi01, post: 4043492, member: 158537"
You mean, when saying "AMD never undercut their competitor by such a significant amount" he meant only some competitors in some of the markets, but just forgot ot put "some" into the sentence?
Could it be he also meant particular time period?
Just ask him, then you will know If he meant in this part of his post:
They've never undercut their competitor by such a significant amount, and they have zero incentive to do so this time around, unless they want to go all-out on trying to regain marketshare.
both GPUs and CPUs or not, because in his whole post he explicitly mentioned only GPUs and Nvidia and there was no mention of CPUs and Intel.
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#115
cucker tarlson
f22a4bandit, post: 4043451, member: 88569"
Going to treat this rumor with a mountain of salt. However, is the pricing really that unbelievable?
lol,nvidia themselves have a 2070 challenger at $350,and it comes with rt features too.
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#116
THANATOS
Casecutter, post: 4043506, member: 94772"
And being so attentive you've already invested in a PSU that is at least GOLD+ right?


Jun 25th, 2008 the 4870 released at $299, and the GTX 280 released about a month earlier Jun 16th, 2008 at $650 and only offered 13% more performance, or on perf/$ that was half the 4870.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Diamond/HD_4870/23.html

Having efficiency is great unless you have to pay someone else that "monthly savings" all up front.
It was almost 11 years ago, but I accept It. Thanks for providing this. I still think It won't happen with Navi, but that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.
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#117
EarthDog
Legacy-ZA, post: 4043502, member: 101150"
I don't think I have seen any mention of this yet; If the new AMD cards support Crossfire, AMD might have a big advantage over nVidia.

nVidia doesn't support nVlink/SLi on their RTX2060 / 2070 and 1600 series cards.
MEH... multi-GPU has lost its luster and has been losing favor for what seems like years now. Scaling isn't always there, double the power, double the heat, double the price... unless you cannot reach the FPS you want, single card is the way to go.
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#118
bug
kastriot, post: 4043474, member: 165334"
War.. war between brands and their supporters never change :)
This isn't war, this is just medi01 going bananas over CPUs in a thread about GPU rumors.
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#119
Super XP
Ibotibo01, post: 4043303, member: 184878"
I wanna say that When GTX 1050 Ti released in 2016, it's price was 140 Dollars. RX 470 costed 180 Dollars and it only pass %30 GTX 1050 Ti. GTX 1050 Ti is only 75W. Well, how much power RX 470 spends?
R9 390X-390=RX 580 for 2 years. I think that Nvidia defeats AMD. GTX 980 is same with GTX 1060 6GB.
AMD builts Ryzen for 4 years because of the fact that Jim Keller helps AMD and he left AMD. So what will we see in 2021?
In the same way, Raja koduri left AMD. I don't expect these GPUs are as good as RTX 2070 for 330 Dollars. Maybe it will same with GTX 1660 Ti(RX3080 non XT).




Why do you defend AMD?
Everyone is right for Nvidia's pricing method
. I think that GTX 1650 should costs 130 Dollars.
Jim Keller never stays with one company for very long. He's hired to help design CPU Micro-Architectures, then moves on.

What Jim Keller did for AMD is not only assist with the ZEN Design, but also had a hand in the CPU Design after ZEN 4's completion in 2021 or so. Basically he's set AMD up for several years in advance.

He will do the same for Intel, then move onto other ventures or simply retire.

It took AMD about 5 years to design and launch ZEN. In 2015 AMD started development on a New GPU Design, built from the ground up. That GPU should be available sometime in 2020, though depending on how well Navi performs as a last GCN based effort, AMD may as well push the new GPU Design to 2021 to further enhance the architecture. D

With Dr. Lisa Su leading AMD, the success of ZEN I am confident Navi will impress just enough to satisfy the average gamer, all while they prepare the brand new gpu.

EarthDog, post: 4043528, member: 79836"
MEH... multi-GPU has lost its luster and has been losing favor for what seems like years now. Scaling isn't always there, double the power, double the heat, double the price... unless you cannot reach the FPS you want, single card is the way to go.
As much as I would like to disagree, I cannot lol

Perhaps one day Games will take better multi Core advantage.
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#120
Casecutter
EarthDog, post: 4043484, member: 79836"
Indeed, but heat mitigation and noise are also part of the equation.
How's that helping the "de-contented" GTX 1660 Ti, even with low TDP many run hot and not better on dBA, they just cheapen-up what they give as a cooler to the point it look like something you use to expect from $120 budget construction. Oh, but "gussy it up" with a plastic backing-plate.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_1660_Ti_Ventus_XS/32.html

THANATOS, post: 4043513, member: 184835"
It was almost 11 years ago, but I accept It. Thanks for providing this. I still think It won't happen with Navi, but that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.
These are just rumors but I think AMD want's to grab market share. I think AMD will be doing all it takes to get RGT back competitive and working off Nvidia inflating their margins is one place. They'll do this 7nm derivative of GCN for at best 18 months, and the it will move to the "Next Gen" Architecture. I think their "Ryzen" will be early 2022. Right now need to build on what is/was a rebirth after their lull in R&D and moving past the pruning dead wood from the Raja Koduri era.
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#121
cucker tarlson
medi01, post: 4043446, member: 158537"
So "AMD never cut price like that" is BS.
The poster above found $330 vs $499 unbelievable, but AMD did $499 vs $1089.



AdoredTV is "a random guy", also don't miss more breaking news on BentOverBackwards network, at 6pm, in "Green and Greener".




I'm all ears about "non HEDT" 8 core CPU by Intel, or exactly what makes CPU HEDT (or not).
Why is it so f*cking hard to admit you said something that appeared to be wrong and just move the f*ck on, why do you need to go full pathetic?
you're getting yourself so worked up before we have any tangible indication of performance and price.
let's wait and see.
do you really think rtg is in the position to undercut nvidia that much?then what's all the fuss you're making?nvidia themselves have a $350 competitor for 2070,it's called 2060.
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#122
EarthDog
Casecutter, post: 4043542, member: 94772"
How's that helping the "de-contented" GTX 1660 Ti, even with low TDP many run hot and not better on dBA, they just cheapen-up what they give as a cooler to the point it look like something you use to expect from $120 budget construction. Oh, but "gussy it up" with a plastic backing-plate.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_1660_Ti_Ventus_XS/32.html
Well, heat and temperature are different things, mind you. THere are other factors involved outside of TDP.

That said, higher TDP cards can be quieter than lower TDP card it just depends on other factors. But typically and in general, a lower TDP with the same cooler/fans and heatload from the same size source should run cooler and quieter.
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#123
dicktracy
Adored already did a 180 to this bogus rumor. LOL Don’t set yourselves up for another major disappointment.
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#124
EarthDog
dicktracy, post: 4043566, member: 173119"
Adored already did a 180 to this bogus rumor. LOL Don’t set yourselves up for another major disappointment.
A link would be good. :)
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#125
ToxicTaZ
Nvidia will lower the cost of the TU106 (2060 and 2070)

Nvidia will counter Navi 10/20 with the TU104

Nvidia will release the RTX 2070Ti (TU104-300A) witch is (1080Ti/Radeon 7) performance for a lower price. Possibly with 8GB and 16GB options.

I herd talk about RTX 2080+ (unlocked TU104-475A) @2GHz with 8GB & 16GB models. ((3072 Cuda Cores))

"RTX 2070Ti" will blow away RX 3080 XT

As the "RTX 2080 Plus" blows away RX 3090 XT next February 2020

This is most likely what's going to happen
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