Tuesday, May 21st 2019

Sapphire Reps Leak Juicy Details on AMD Radeon Navi

A Sapphire product manager and PR director, speaking to the Chinese press spilled the beans on AMD's upcoming Radeon Navi graphics card lineup. It looks like with Navi, AMD is targeting the meat of the serious gamer market, at two specific price points, USD $399 with a "Pro" (cut-down) product, and $499 with an "XT" (fully-fledged) product. AMD has two NVIDIA products in its crosshairs, the GeForce RTX 2070, and the RTX 2060. In the interview, the Sapphire rep mentioned "stronger than 2070", when talking about performance numbers, which we assume is for the Navi XT variant - definitely promising. The $399 Navi "Pro" is probably being designed with a performance target somewhere between the RTX 2060 and RTX 2070, so you typically pay $50 more than you would for an RTX 2060, for noticeably higher performance.

Sapphire also confirmed that AMD's Navi does not have specialized ray-tracing hardware on the silicon, but such technology will debut with "next year's new architecture". They also suggested that AMD is unlikely to scale up Navi for the enthusiast segment, and that the Vega-based Radeon VII will continue to be the company's flagship product. On the topic of Radeon VII custom designs, Sapphire commented that "there is no plans for that". On the other hand, Sapphire is actively working on custom designs for the Navi architecture, and mentioned that "work on a "Toxic" version of Navi is complete, and it is watercooled". Many people have speculated that AMD will unveil Navi at its Computex keynote address on May 27. Sapphire confirmed that date, and also added that the launch will be on 7th of July, 2019.
Source: Zhihu (Blog)
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119 Comments on Sapphire Reps Leak Juicy Details on AMD Radeon Navi

#1
Sitohas Wang
It means it will be another underwhelming, power-hungry product again just like Radeon VII, it claimed to beat 2080 but actually beaten badly by it.
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#2
GoldenX
Sitohas Wang said:

It means it will be another underwhelming, power-hungry product again just like Radeon VII, it claimed to beat 2080 Ti but actually beaten badly by it.
Ah but FineWine believers would make you believe that by 2022-2023, it will beat the 2080Ti. Heh.
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#3
dicktracy
If true, nvidia will just refresh its lineup to one-up AMD. That’s the advantage of having the fastest GPU arch where you can gut it accordingly and your opponent can’t do anything but lower its price
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#4
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Keep in mind that Navi is 7nm, Turing is 12nm. Without wasting silicon on raytracing hardware too, power consumption could be similar between the cards even considering that it's probably still GCN.
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#5
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
dicktracy said:
That’s the advantage of having the fastest GPU arch
You are assuming that Navi as an architecture is slower than Turing on the basis of Vega being slower than Turing?
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#6
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
Sitohas Wang said:

It means it will be another underwhelming, power-hungry product again just like Radeon VII, it claimed to beat 2080 but actually beaten badly by it.
Honestly anyone thinking anything else, it's on them.
GoldenX said:

Ah but FineWine believers would make you believe that by 2022-2023, it will beat the 2080Ti. Heh.
Herp-di-blergh-i-blergh-blergh. I've yet to see these people, online or AFK.
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#7
GoldenX
FordGT90Concept said:

Keep in mind that Navi is 7nm, Turing is 12nm. Without wasting silicon on raytracing hardware too, power consumption could be similar between the cards even considering that it's probably still GCN.
The Linux radeonsi driver got updates, so it's still GCN for sure.
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#11
ixi
Sad to see that AMD can't bring worthy opponent for 2080ti.
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#12
SIGSEGV
i got a second hand of 1080TI with 400 eur or something (used for 4 months). i don't get why amd still fighting for the gpu line-up.

I want AMD radeon to be competitive again /InMyDream
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#13
Countryside
btarunr said:

You are assuming that Navi as an architecture is slower than Turing on the basis of Vega being slower than Turing?
Key word being "Assuming"
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#14
Crackong
Computex and E3 are coming soon.
Wait and see.
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#15
Vayra86
ixi said:

Sad to see that AMD can't bring worthy opponent for 2080ti.
1080ti, actually... They're stuck
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#16
Ibotibo01
I don't like prices. If it is true, AMD should reduce prices.
Vayra86 said:

1080ti, actually... They're stuck
For 4K.
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#17
Mats
Sitohas Wang said:
it claimed to beat 2080 but actually beaten badly by it.
"it" = AdoredTV?

No, I'm asking. Has AMD actually said anything about that, or do you get your facts from Youtube?
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#18
bug
btarunr said:

You are assuming that Navi as an architecture is slower than Turing on the basis of Vega being slower than Turing?
Well, if Radeon VII is supposed to remain the top dog, Navi can't be faster than Radeon VII, can it?
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#19
Chomiq
Error 404 on the source link.
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#20
Manu_PT
Lol seems like my 1080ti will last for ages, personal record in fact. Old times when I upgraded gpu every 2 years. This market is stall (so are the games tbh).
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#21
W1zzard
Chomiq said:

Error 404 on the source link.
Lucky I still had the page open


Spoiler: Google Translated Text
I don't know more about the specific details of AMD fans' Chengdu station. Because Chengdu didn't bring a camera when it rained, the photos used in this article are all from Chengdu Station activities AMD China and Sapphire Technology Officials.

The point is that I personally can make a small interview with Leo as an AMD fan. It is also the biggest achievement of this event.

I always like sapphire.jpg

Q: I am the author

L: Sapphire Product Manager leo

J: Jenny Public Relations Director Jenny

Q: Hello Leo, sapphire is a well-received graphics card manufacturer in the mainland, but the sapphire warranty and after-sales system has become a short board on the barrel. Is there any solution or plan for this sapphire?

L: Thank you, Sapphire does have a plan to extend the warranty time in the future, but because you know the reason (laugh), it is temporarily impossible to implement, and can only be implemented after the end of the warranty period of certain batches of graphics cards.

Q: I just saw the atomic (atomic) as the flagship series of AMD's highest public and the possibility of restarting at the booth?

J: You have to know that there are only 20 cards in the world and 5 cards in the mainland.

L: Sapphire as an AIB can not only consider technical, commercial decision is also very important, such as the profit range did not meet expectations or the target group is smaller than our estimate, then this series may not exist anymore.

Q: Even if AMD completely surpasses its friends in the business of independence in the future, will Sapphire not restart the atomic series?

L: It depends on the market (laugh)

Q: Will Radeon7 be out of the public?

L: No, at the moment we don't have Radeon7's non-public plan. AMD's public version of Radeon7 has already reached many of the flagship grades of the company.

Q: In the public interaction section just now, there is a series of A powder in the poison series. As far as I personally observe, many of the powders in the mainland are hoping to restart the poison series. What is the plan for this sapphire?

L: You will see poison on the next generation of graphics cards.

Q: Really (excited)

L: We have completed the work of navi poison, and it is a water-cooled version.

Q: Before the release of Vega in the previous two years, some netizens were asking if sapphire had Vega poison. The reply of sapphire would be there, but it still did not come out.

L: Actually, the relevant design was completed at the time, but as I said earlier, our evaluation results show that Vega poison is not profitable, and even it is difficult to return. Moreover, AMD's Vega's revenue on the super memory is higher than that of the overclocking core , leaving us with a very limited income, so we did not put Vega poison in the end.

Q: It is understandable that a company must ensure that it can make profits by legal means. So, can you disclose some information about Navi (expected)?

L: I can't tell you too much because of some reason you know (laugh) Navi currently has two versions, one version is priced at $499 and the other is $399.

Q: So the price of the mainland, a lot of powder is expected to be poison, they think that super platinum is a younger brother

L: At present, we have not yet determined the price of the mainland, but you know it yourself, isn't it (laugh)

Q: Then, if you are a competitor, you will use the 20 series as your main competitor.

L: Stronger than 2070

Q: What is the rumor that the Navi core of 5120sp+rt core will appear?

L: You have to know that Navi does not exist by the size of the core, there is no related product at present.

Q: So AMD will consider hardware investment in the light chasing acceleration module?

L: You can look forward to next year's new architecture.

Q: What can you tell me about the new architecture? Is it a complete replacement for the current GCN?

L: The new architecture AMD is not completely finalized at present. You need to know that some products are not suitable for the next-generation architecture, whether it is for us or for friends (this is why both ANs have vest cards). It is said that products above the thousand yuan level have been determined to fully adopt the next generation architecture (referring to the successor of Navi)

Q: Is Navi going to be released on July 7 this year?

L Yes, you know 7nm July 7th girl (laugh)

Q: Then on May 27th, you can see AMD's next-generation processor and Navi graphics card.

L: I don't know much about CPU (after all, sapphire only does graphics cards) but the graphics card will definitely show on Computex on May 27.

Q: Will you participate in this year's Computex?

L: Of course

Q: Will the next-generation host adopt Navi's solution (nonsense)?

L: Yes, but still because you know why, I can't tell you too much, I hope to see you on Computex.

=========================================================== ===

In general, this AMD Chengdu station I am still very happy to play, originally wanted to interview the AMD Greater China Vice President Ji Zong, but unfortunately when interviewing LEO, the season has always left, probably the only event of this event Sorry
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#22
Hugh Mungus
Mats said:

"it" = AdoredTV?

No, I'm asking. Has AMD actually said anything about that, or do you get your facts from Youtube?
Well actually it seems to depend on your games and honestly with the latest non-crashy drivers it might be about as fast as a 2080 overall. All I know for sure however is that my Radeon VII uses fairly little power and doesn't really get hot at all thanks to got airflow in my case, a custom fan curve and just for good measure an extra fan (left over after h150i pro installation) in the side of my case blowing air straight onto the section with the gpu die.

Only two things it really needs though are good airflow over the gpu fans and a custom fan curve, so make sure you have a fan in the front or wherever that actually directs air over it. That's also why fanless testbenches always make a non-blower style gpu seem louder as normal gpu's will have to work extra hard without case fans to counteract sucking back in the warm/hot air it just blew away. Doesn't always matter too much, but IMO every tester should have at least one fan pointing at the front of a gpu to simulate a case. Then I'll believe a gpu is loud and/or hot, as currently my Radeon VII isn't really either and it's supposed to be the loudest and hottest of them all! :P
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#23
Imsochobo
Manu_PT said:

Lol seems like my 1080ti will last for ages, personal record in fact. Old times when I upgraded gpu every 2 years. This market is stall (so are the games tbh).
I remember my 290X,
Went to GTX970 which was a 100% sidegrade but ITX and silence was the reason.

970 became the 1060 which still is the 1080P gpu performance today and I find it amazing that a GPU I bought in 2013 is still something you can use today for 1080P gaming and it was made for 1080P gaming back in the days...

1080TI will be the next 290X that everyone will use as a measuring stick of performance!
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#24
londiste
Navi XT for $450 and Pro for $400 would not make sense. This is Vega (or Turing, if you wish) all over again - a year later going for the same price points at minor performance increase.
RTX2070 is $450 and RTX2060 is $350 and these are widely considered pretty poor upgrades over GTX1080 and GTX1070Ti.
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#25
kings
If true, it will be interesting to see what the people of "a mainstream card should not cost more than $250" will have to say...
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