Monday, June 10th 2019

AMD E3 Next Horizon Event: Live Blog

It's been a very busy May-June for AMD as the company pushes out its major client-segment product lines spread across Computex 2019, and E3 2019. At Computex, the company focused on its 3rd generation Ryzen "Zen 2" desktop processors, and led its partners to show us a galaxy of new motherboards based on the AMD X570 chipset. It turns out that the company was saving a handful processor SKUs focused on gamers for E3.

The second important product launch of course is Radeon RX 5700 series, based on AMD's new "Navi 10" silicon on which its new RDNA graphics architecture debuts. With its AIB (add-in board) partners expected to be allowed to make custom-design cards, and based on what little nuggets of information AMD put out, "Navi" promises to stir up a key performance-segment price-band that's currently held by NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2070 and RTX 2060. The AMD keynote will see the company CEO Dr. Lisa Su and her top execs take centerstage to make some big announcements. With E3 being a purely entertainment / client-segment forum, the AMD keynote promises not bore with tiresome topics such as AI, self-driving cars, etc.
2:30 PM PDT: Ahead of its keynote, AMD posted a teaser video of its new RDNA graphics architecture on YouTube.


3:00 PM PDT: The event begins with CEO Dr. Lisa Su taking centerstage. "Exciting time for gamers everywhere, with coherence between hardware and software."

3:06 PM PDT: "AMD owes its recent success to big technology bets that are paying off now."

3:07 PM PDT: Lisa Su confirms next-generation PlayStation is powered by AMD IP, as is Google Stadia. Also talks about the Xbox "Project Scarlett"

3:08 PM PDT: PC. Now we're talking.

3:11 PM PDT: Key details on Zen 2 CPU architecture at the heart of Ryzen 3000. Also AMD's performance claims. We've seen these slides at the Computex 2019 keynote.

3:16 PM PDT: AMD answering Intel's "real-world gaming" challenge:

3:18 PM PDT: Ryzen 5 3600X specs confirmed, including gaming performance. Beats Core i5-9600K.

All CPU models available 7/7/2019.

3:20 PM PDT: Time to talk Navi. Maintains RDNA is a cleanslate architecture.

3:25 PM PDT: Meet the Radeon RX 5700 XT. Leadership performance in its class.

3:27 PM PDT: The leaks seem to be correct. "Ready for overclocking"

Performance beats the RTX 2070 in World War Z.

3:29 PM PDT: Radeon RX 5700 (non-XT) Specs:

Up to 10% faster than RTX 2060 (RX 5700 non-XT).

Radeon Media Engine supports 4K encode and decode, and updated codecs for hardware-acceleration. Radeon Display Engine has updated connectivity.

3:33 PM PDT: FidelityFX pre-baked free-to-use special effects that improve visual fidelity without performance cost; available through GPUOpen.

3:35 PM PDT: Radeon Image Sharpening is essentially FidelityFX for games that don't support it.

3:36 PM PDT: Radeon Anti-Lag is a groundbreaking new feature that works to reduce GPU-to-monitor lag and input lag. Treat for e-sports gamers.
Lower input-lag without increasing frame-rates!

3:40 PM PDT: Pricing! Availability 7/7/2019, both SKUs. RX 5700 XT is priced at $449, and RX 5700 at $379. "Gears 5" bundled!

3:47 PM PDT: Gears 5 as rendered on an RX 5700 XT.

Although Gears 5 releases September, RX 5700-series buyers who get the game bundled also have early access to pre-release testing versions from July.

3:54 PM PDT: Borderlands 3 is Ryzen+Radeon optimized, including FidelityFX. Gearbox also uttered "AMD Studios," an internal dev-relations moniker, detailed as a steady supply of AMD hardware to game developers at Gearbox. AMD is flexing its dev-relations muscle once again.

4:00 PM PDT: Unity talks about HDRP. Also confirms Ryzen+Radeon optimization, and support for FidelityFX.

4:07 PM PDT: Ubisoft confirms Ryzen+Radeon optimization for Tom Clancy's "Ghost Recon: Breakpoint," including FidelityFX, async-compute, FreeSync 2 HDR.

4:11 PM PDT: AMD launches Radeon RX 5700X 50th Anniversary Edition with 1.98 GHz Boost frequency, priced at $499, exclusively on AMD.com
4:12 AM PDT: AMD also announces Ryzen 9 3950X 16-core processor, priced $749, launches September.
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133 Comments on AMD E3 Next Horizon Event: Live Blog

#51
xkm1948
Wavetrex said:

Still RIP.

Price difference is too great.
You could buy TWO 16-core AMD computers for the price of ONE 16-core Intel.

(Or almost 3x 12c vs 1 12c Intel)

Oh, and Threadripper will come... probably announced later in the year, after 3950X launch, and completely smash anything Intel HEDT has.
TR yes, AM4 16 core no.

I am waiting for TR3, this X99 platform is getting on my nerves.
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#52
theoneandonlymrk
kings said:

Navi is overpriced, like the Nvidia lineup!

But, it was somewhat expected that AMD would take advantage of Nvidia raising prices to raise their prices as well!

This release will not create the desired impact and will not put Nvidia on the alert, but at least now there is an alternative.

AMD didn´t say anything about TDP, which probably means that the 12nm Nvidia continues to be significantly more efficient!
This node is not cheap to manufacture on, on the path Nvidia are on I shudder at the thought of a 3080Ti.

I think I'll stick to dreaming about the 16 core, I would love to crunch with it but I think the 12 core is enough out of my reach as is.
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#53
Mats
kings said:

Why so salty? I get you are an AMD fan, but is the reality!
I'm just tired of all the thousand comments about what everything should cost, no matter the brand. Nobody cares, especially not Intel, AMD or Nvidia, see my previous post.
Call me AMD fan all you want, I haven't had an AMD CPU since my old Opteron 146, I'm writing this on an i5 laptop. :D

It's nothing personal.

I get that saying "it should cost this" is a way of not having to say "I can't afford it".
The latter, by the way, holds true for me.
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#54
dicktracy
kings said:

Navi is overpriced, like the Nvidia lineup!

But, it was somewhat expected that AMD would take advantage of Nvidia raising prices to raise their prices as well!

This release will not create the desired impact and will not put Nvidia on the alert, but at least now there is an alternative.

AMD didn´t say anything about TDP, which probably means that the 12nm Nvidia continues to be significantly more efficient!
It really looks like price-fixing is activated. Can’t wait for Intel to come into the party and trash this uncle-niece alliance lol.
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#55
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
xkm1948 said:
TR yes, AM4 16 core no.
Pretty sure 3950X is an AM4 processor...

TR is probably up to 32 cores (4 chiplets) and EPYC is probably up to 64 cores (8 chiplets).
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#56
xkm1948
FordGT90Concept said:

Pretty sure 3950X is an AM4 processor...

TR is probably up to 32 cores (4 chiplets) and EPYC is probably up to 64 cores (8 chiplets).
I want 64c128t TR3 soooooo bad
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#57
MrPerforations
so was my Msi™ Radeon™ RX vega 56 crossfire a good buy?
I am thinking hard about hurting my wallet on a AMD™ Ryzen 3800X.
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#58
dicktracy
FordGT90Concept said:

Pretty sure 3950X is an AM4 processor...

TR is probably up to 32 cores (4 chiplets) and EPYC is probably up to 64 cores (8 chiplets).
A rep already said the next TR will have moar cores
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#59
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Suppose it could have 64 too, just with fewer Infinity Fabric links.
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#60
B-Real
xkm1948 said:

$449 and $379, Meh.

It is OK
Interesting. We will see performance, consumption and what I'm most excited about, is that input lag lowering process.

xkm1948 said:

Sooooooo

I guess the "Waiting for Navi" train is finally coming to a mediocre stop? What do the fans "wait for" next now?
What we know now it will be $50 cheaper than an RTX 2070 while being ~10% faster. When NV lowers the prices (if it happens), AMD can also lower it. The 5700 more expensive than the RTX 2060 is not good, however, if you check it's also 10% faster and has +2 GB VRAM, which is not a bad thing to have at a GTX 1080 level, it justifies the price and makes it a better price-performance deal.

The Lighthouse said:

Those new Navi cards are just terrible unfortunately.
No, they not. They look better price-performance ratio if we believe that +10% performance. Even the more expensive RX5700 is better value than the RTX2060 with +8% price and +10% perfomance, and having +2GB VRAM. That input lag reduction process seems interesting too. And I highly doubt AMD will only have 2 models in the Navi RX5XXX lineup.
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#61
moproblems99
hmh, not really sure what to think. I expected between 2060 and 2070 so I guess this a bonus? I suppose since I was considering a VII that I won't not consider this.
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#62
R0H1T
xkm1948 said:

TR yes, AM4 16 core no.

I am waiting for TR3, this X99 platform is getting on my nerves.
All indications are that TR3 will be skipped, at least 3xxx series. It might make comeback next year with zen3 & up to 4t per core.
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#63
Casecutter
Navi.. I thought the prices are higher than l figured but I think there where Nvidia won't react right away. Once production ramps, they'll need to get CPU/GPU figured out the mix of what people want. Good position to be in. That said I want more on FidelityFX and see how RGT can make enroads with the developers. Overall it was as expected. But good to have AMD/RGT hitting on all cylinders even if it's just getting warm. I think the market views it positive and money will be flowing in... not out and right now that's what they need.
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#64
Vya Domus
Intel cannot even dream of producing a similar CPU at this price point right know. Oh my how times have changed.
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#65
Divide Overflow
I wonder if there are plans to release some version of Navi 20.
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#66
Mamya3084
R0H1T said:

All indications are that TR3 will be skipped, at least 3xxx series. It might make comeback next year with zen3 & up to 4t per core.
I wouldn't think so. TR is usually October release schedule. AMD would want to promote 64 lane pcie4 as a workstation option.
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#67
dicktracy
R0H1T said:

All indications are that TR3 will be skipped, at least 3xxx series. It might make comeback next year with zen3 & up to 4t per core.
The product names would be confusing after AM4 stole the *950X name with the 3950x. I'm gonna bet my left nut AMD's next HEDT will all be under the EPYC brand to challenge Intel's Xeon W-3175. And when you look at AMD's EPYC pricing, their EPYC 32 cores is $2000 while the 2990WX is $1799... that's not much of a difference compared to the pricing disparity of Skylake-X and its Xeon counterpart.
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#68
Vya Domus
Divide Overflow said:

I wonder if there are plans to release some version of Navi 20.
Likely too expensive to bring to the mainstream market at a reasonable perf/price level. We wont see anything 400 mm^2+ on 7nm from AMD until mid-late 2020.
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#69
Pumper
Really disappointed on the Navi pricing, especially when those MSRPs are for the [still] blower GPUs, so a regular dual fan 5700 will be at $400 without RTX and other nvidia features.
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#70
springs113
Mamya3084 said:

I wouldn't think so. TR is usually October release schedule. AMD would want to promote 64 lane pcie4 as a workstation option.
no it is not. I got my first gen TR in August of 2017.
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#71
Hugh Mungus
1.98GHz boost on that anniversary edition, so there is definitely some headroom somewhere! Can't wait for binned AIB cards that should basically perform as well as my Radeon VII (sad) but cost so little I can get back at least 100 euros (yay!)!
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#72
Crackong
xkm1948 said:

Quad DDR4, more PCIE lanes and AVX512. Remember HEDT is for productivity, not just for gaming.
Thread-intensive Load -> ThreadRipper
Frequency-intensive Load -> 9900k
Encoding -> 9900k + quicksync

I don't see the place for Intel's HEDT lineup in productivity.
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#73
AceKingSuited
theoneandonlymrk said:

This node is not cheap to manufacture on, on the path Nvidia are on I shudder at the thought of a 3080Ti.

I think I'll stick to dreaming about the 16 core, I would love to crunch with it but I think the 12 core is enough out of my reach as is.
Agreed. People just want to complain about anything these days and I'm tired of all the whining. If making a cheaper graphics card is that easy; then there would be more companies doing it. People were complaining about Nvidia's costs and were begging for an alternative from AMD. We get the alternative but they don't like it as it isn't cheap enough for them. The biggest whiners people with wine tastes but on a beer budget. If you don't like it; don't buy it. Simple as that.

I'm happy with AMD's CPU and GPU lineup and I'll be getting the 5700XT 50th anniversary edition to replace my 1070.
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#74
londiste
Results in AMD slides are big resounding meh.
Unless you do workstation stuff like rendering Ryzen 3000 does not seem to bring anything new to the table.

There is something very interesting about Navi though, RX5700 in particular:
36 CU, 2304 SP, 144 TMU, 64 ROP, 256-bit 14GBPs GDDR6 at 448GB/s.
The numbers immediately sounded familiar. This is the exact spec for RTX2070. we will see 1:1 comparisons for Navi vs Turing. Stock cards RX5700 vs RTX2070, only clocks need to be normalized.
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#75
TheLostSwede
AceKingSuited said:

The biggest whiners people with whine tastes but on a beer budget.
Fixed that for you...
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