Friday, June 28th 2019

NVIDIA RTX SUPER Lineup Detailed, Pricing Outed

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NVIDIA has officially confirmed pricing and SKU availability for its refreshed Turing lineup featuring the SUPER graphics cards we've been talking about for ages now. Primed as a way to steal AMD's Navi release thunder, the new SUPER lineup means previously-released NVIDIA gppahics cards have now hit an EOL-status as soon as their souped-up, SUPER versions are available, come July 2nd.

The RTX 2060 and RTX 2080 Ti will live on, for now, as the cheapest and most powerful entries unto the world of hardware-based raytracing acceleration, respectively. The RTX 2070 and RTX 2080, however, will be superseded by the corresponding 2070 SUPER and 2080 SUPER offerings, with an additional RTX 2060 SUPER being offered so as to compete with AMD's RX 5700 ($399 for NVIDIA's new RTX 2060 SUPER vs $379 for the AMD RX 5700, which is sandwiched in the low-end by the RTX 2060 at $349).
The RTX 2070 SUPER will be positioned at a higher pricing point than AMD's upcoming RX 5700 XT ($499 vs $449), which should put it mildly ahead in performance - just today we've seen benchmarks that showed AMD's RX 5700 XT trading blows with the non-SUPER RTX 2070. The NVIDIA RTX 2080 SUPER will get improved performance as well as a drop in pricing, down to $699 versus the original's (exorbitantly high compared to the GTX 1080's pricing of $549) $799.
Source: Videocardz

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152 Comments on NVIDIA RTX SUPER Lineup Detailed, Pricing Outed

#51
r.h.p
$600 AUS for a entry level card , seems a lot .
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#52
TheGuruStud
64KAccording to the leaks the 2060 Super will also gain 2 GB VRAM and have the larger 256 bit memory bus over the 2060 FE but I agree, until we see benchmarks we won't have the full picture of the performance gain. WhyCry over at VideoCardz speculates that the 2060 Super will be around 15% faster than the 260 FE. We'll see soon.
That would make it the same perf as 2070 super.... Nvidia is tarded, but that tarded?
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#53
bug
So we have here:
1. 2080 Super, slightly faster than 2080, $100 less
2. 2070 Super, slightly faster than 2070, same price
2. 2060 Super, significantly better than 2060, $50 more

And on a supposedly tech enthusiast, unbiased forum, just over half voters choose "hate it" :kookoo:
I mean, I'm not buying any of these. But hate getting more bang for the buck? That'll be the day...
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#54
efikkan
Nvidia released Turing; portrayed as evil and greedy.
Nvidia releases refreshed Turing improving performance per dollar; portrayed as evil, greedy and out to kill AMD.
:confused:
I do wonder if there is anything that Nvidia could do that would satisfy these people?
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#55
bug
efikkanNvidia released Turing; portrayed as evil and greedy.
Nvidia releases refreshed Turing improving performance per dollar; portrayed as evil, greedy and out to kill AMD.
:confused:
Nvidia isn't completely innocent in this, tho. If they simply named their products properly (i.e. 2060 -> 2070, 2070 -> 2080 and 2080 -> 2090) they would have avoided a lot of badmouthing. I'm not sure why they went the route they did, but I'm pretty sure they're regretting it now.
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#56
64K
TheGuruStudThat would make it the same perf as 2070 super.... Nvidia is tarded, but that tarded?
From the benches done here the regular 2070 is around 15% faster than the regular 2060. If the speculation on Videocardz is correct then the 2060 Super will be around 15% faster than the regular 2060 so that puts the 2060 Super at around the same performance as the regular 2070 but WhyCry also speculates that the 2070 Super will be around 15% faster than the regular 2070 so then that would make the 2070 Super around 15% faster than the 2060 Super.

Perhaps it makes some sense to Nvidia if the rumor that the regular 2070 and 2080 is also correct that they are both EOL now.

In any case we need to see how well the 2060 Super and 2070 Super overclock to see what is the real world performance increase over the regular 2060 OC and 2070 OC. Obviously not everyone overclocks so that is a consideration for a lot of buyers as well.
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#57
ZoneDymo
bugSo we have here:
1. 2080 Super, slightly faster than 2080, $100 less
2. 2070 Super, slightly faster than 2070, same price
2. 2060 Super, significantly better than 2060, $50 more

And on a supposedly tech enthusiast, unbiased forum, just over half voters choose "hate it" :kookoo:
I mean, I'm not buying any of these. But hate getting more bang for the buck? That'll be the day...
In the 2060s case you dont get more bang for buck.
and really, these prices are just ridiculously high and have been from the start.
The GTX1080 as the article mentioned launched at 550 dollar, and this 2080 is 700 dollar.... why not, oh idk, 600? still more, but a more agreeable price.

an RTX2060 for 400 dollars when we all agree it should be more along 250 dollars is what just rubs people the wrong way.
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#58
medi01
atomicusThis is what happens when you have no competition at the top end.
1650 sucks balls in lower end, along 1050 and 1050Ti, where there is a very strong product by AMD (it's called 570, if you are not from the planet Earth or live in a green bubble).

This happens because peoplez swallow the bait and, according to ngreed's own slides, stick with the number, paying more.

It is essentially pushing people to tier-up, disguised as "new generation of cards".


I enjoy both the fact going up (you deserve what you get) and the surreal mental gymnastics to justify the crap.
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#59
64K
ZoneDymoIn the 2060s case you dont get more bang for buck.
That's true. If the rumors are true then you will see a 15% increase in performance for the 2060 Super but with a 15% increase in price and we still don't have a side by side comparison of the Regular and Super OC potential. From the sample 2060 FE tested here W1zzard got a 9.5% increase in performance on Unigine Heaven. What if the 2060 Super is already so close to it's limits that it can only bring a 5% increase in performance when overclocked? Then you would end up with less real world performance increase per dollar from an OC 2060 Super over an OC 2060 FE.

Now if Nvidia had set the MSRP for the 2060 Super at the old price for the 2060 FE then one could make the argument that you are getting more bang for the buck with the 2060 Super.
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#60
medi01
FluffmeisterYeah last time I checked no one is forced to buy anything...


Don't get me wrong, someone from the green bubble already went far enough, to justify Standard OIl, you are in no way the first.
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#61
sam_86314
The Turing lineup should've been (based on previous generations):

$699 for the RTX 2080 Ti
$499 for the RTX 2080 with 3072 shaders
$379 for the RTX 2070 with 2560 shaders
$249 for the RTX 2060 with 2176 shaders

None of this "Super" nonsense. That just makes the lineup even more confusing.

But thanks to AMD's complacency, NVIDIA can do whatever they want.

If they keep this up, and we never get a third player in the market, my GTX 1070 will last a while.
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#62
Vayra86
GoldenXWhat a joke, this only will help validate the already high launch price of Navi. So another year without innovation, only price increases.
The best RTX game is a remake of a decades old FPS, and the competition doesn't even offer mesh shaders, let alone RTRT. And I thought that Pascal was a boring release.
Pascal kicked GPU clocks up by 500 mhz (25%!) across the board while improving on perf/watt and was the largest generational jump in many years and you call it boring. Some people are hard to please I guess :D
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#63
bug
ZoneDymoIn the 2060s case you dont get more bang for buck.
You don't know that. 2060 was slammed for having "just" 6GB VRAM and a 192 bits memory interface. The Super fixes both of these. It will be a tad slower than the current 2070.
ZoneDymoand really, these prices are just ridiculously high and have been from the start.
Yes, I'm not rushing into buying any of these.
ZoneDymoThe GTX1080 as the article mentioned launched at 550 dollar, and this 2080 is 700 dollar.... why not, oh idk, 600? still more, but a more agreeable price.
Again, 2080 is not the successor of 1080 in anything other than name. Performance and power draw say 2070 is. The whole line has shifted. 1660 and 2060 can't both be the successors to the same midrange card.
ZoneDymoan RTX2060 for 400 dollars when we all agree it should be more along 250 dollars is what just rubs people the wrong way.
I would love to see how you came to the conclusion that it should (kudos for not saying must) cost that much. Because you obviously missed economy 101 and how the right price is the one people are willing to pay and sellers to accept. As much as you and I hate the Turing prices, they are obviously what the market is willing to accept since Nvidia doesn't seem to be pressured to lower them a year later and with Navi knocking on our doors.
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#64
GoldenX
Vayra86Pascal kicked GPU clocks up by 500 mhz (25%!) across the board while improving on perf/watt and was the largest generational jump in many years and you call it boring. Some people are hard to please I guess :D
Same thing as Intel Core, big jump, then nothing for 3 years, then a boring release even more expensive.
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#65
Vya Domus
xx06 class chips have pretty much been successfully lifted into xx04 price ranges. Cool, we are now looking at a second product stack shift, the first dating back to Kepler when they moved xx04 class silicon into xx00/02 price range.
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#66
bug
GoldenXSame thing as Intel Core, big jump, then nothing for 3 years, then a boring release even more expensive.
Edit: My mistake, I wrote Pascal, but was thinking Maxwell.
Pascal was a black swan, an architecture released after TSMC's 22nm fiasco. And yes, architectures aren't completely remade every generation. Never have, never will be.
Vya Domusxx06 class chips have pretty much been successfully lifted into xx04 price range. Cool, we are now looking at a second product stack shift, the first dating back to Kepler when they moved xx04 class silicon into xx00/02 price range.
Congratulations, another one judging a book by its covers. Man, I don't know what is up with some people, they look at a number in product's or chip's name and it's like all reason just gets thrown under the bus.
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#67
medi01
sam_86314But thanks to AMD's complacency, NVIDIA can do whatever they want.
Yeah. All AMD's fault.
God forbid people use their brains and start voting with their wallet, or god forbid we blame greedia.
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#68
bug
medi01Yeah. All AMD's fault.
It's not AMD's fault, but AMD has (indirectly) contributed to the high prices. Everyone will charge as much as they can when they have no competition. Including AMD.
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#69
Fluffmeister
bugIt's not AMD's fault, but AMD has contributed to the high prices. Everyone will charge as much as they can when they have no competition. Including AMD.
Indeed, Navi his hitting the market at $379 to $499, but naturally that doesn't stop him "waiting for Navi"... whilst ignoring the same priced evil Nvidia options.
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#70
bug
FluffmeisterIndeed, Navi his hitting the market at $379 to $499, but naturally that doesn't stop him "waiting for Navi"... whilst ignoring the same priced evil Nvidia options.
Yes, but Navi will be much faster and draw much less power at those price points. Oh wait...
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#71
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
bugAgain, 2080 is not the successor of 1080 in anything other than name. Performance and power draw say 2070 is.
Not this load of Krapp, again. Nvidia’s new model numbers are always the direct replacement for the previous edition and model number. Of course the performance of lower model numbers will be better than 1 tier up of older models.

If there was no improvement there would never be any need for new models. :rolleyes:
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#72
bug
rtwjunkieNot this load of Krapp, again. Nvidia’s new model numbers are always the direct replacement for the previous edition and model number. Of course the performance of lower model numbers will be better than 1 tier up of older models.

If there was no improvement there would never be any need for new models. :rolleyes:
And guess what, 2070 improves performance over its 1080 predecessor: www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-founders-edition/33.html
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#74
bug
rtwjunkieExactly. I JUST said that. It means it is an improvement of its predecessor, at the same point in the lineup. The rest is a friggin bonus.
Yeah, but you also said 1080 is not its predecessor.
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#75
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
bugYeah, but you also said 1080 is not its predecessor.
Of course not!!! 1070 is. It is the SAME POINT IN NVIDIA’s lineup! Even Nvidia, whose products they are tell you that each model replaces itself. 60 to 60, 70 to 70, 80 to 80. Its not a hard concept to grasp.

If they did not get better than higher level models of previous gens, there would be no need to ever produce anything new.
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